Emptiness and Objects

[Tiff]

Tiff wrote:This is really just like the eagle's emanations excerpt.



The entire body of a seer senses the Eagle. There is something in all of us that
can make us witness with our entire body. Seers explain the act of seeingthe Eagle in very simple
terms:
because man is composed of the Eagle’s emanations, man need only revert back to his
components. The problem arises with man’s awareness; it is his awareness
that becomes entangled and
confused. At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of the emanations acknowledging
themselves, man’s awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is a vision of the Eagle and
the Eagle’s emanations. But there is no Eagle and no Eagle’s emanations.What
is out there is something that no living creature can grasp.” DJ



because man is composed of the Eagle’s emanations, man need only revert back to his
components. = the divine spark of god is in you. You are god, you are the eagle.
The problem arises with
man’s awareness; it is his awareness
that becomes entangled and
confused. At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of the emanations acknowledging
themselves, man’s awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is a vision of the Eagle and
the Eagle’s emanations. = vision (mental formation) of god and god's creations (man, creatures and things).

But there is no Eagle and no Eagle’s emanations.What
is out there is something that no living creature can grasp.” = there is no you since you are the eagle and there is no eagle, no inherentness. Living creature is only a mental formation labeling "living creatures" as apart from eagle. A labeled thought (ignorance) of living creature does not grasp what is occurring. Emptiness not apprehended directly, stuck at the appearance of absoluteness of the eagle and living creatures both existing independently.
DJ gave Carlos all the pieces to the puzzle with the eagle explanation
(the part about living creatures gets tricky, and also the term "out
there"), so its very subtle. But it must be duly observed how everything
before the last line disproves that very last line anyway!
And in TAOSPP, on the void and how it began, like creationism in religion, this too has the same effect of not leading to directly realizing emptiness. Because then the void becomes the creator. So it can be said the void is the first cause and one can feel they understand emptiness via this but here it is only the concept of. The idea of everything as empty, except it makes emptiness inherent, so emptiness itself is "a thing", just like the eagle, and god.
We will dart past the eagle, god and the void and be free, directly realizing emptiness.