07-08-2010, 12:03 AM
Yes, the PP method is to confront people and also bring attention to reputation. Just as you are doing Asiris. To focus on the personal motives, integrity etc. Ninth started to slip into this too. I used to think all that finger pointing was important. Truly it is not.
I engaged you in a discussion when you first came here and you showed no interest in delving into Nargarjuna and dependent arising. I agree with Lex, if you are not interested in a discussion about dependent arising, at least allow those who are to have a discussion without taunting. You are not even offering a counter perspective because you are not discussing the material presented at all. You could try to disprove dependent arising by first investigating it and then show how dependent arising is not valid in your perspective. Instead I don't think you know anything about dependent arising at all. Its not that you have to agree with it, but at least look into some things about it and offer some engagement around it before you dismiss it. Otherwise why post here, in this thread? Because you think dependent origination is wrong? Then show us how its wrong. But see, its not about this with you, otherwise you would be doing this.
Then when Lex asks to stay on topic you turn that request into a big deal. And you are off and running and we have to read several posts from you about your theories of what Lex is doing, his motives blah blah blah. Obviously if Lex and I wanted to be confronted this way, we'd ask to go back to PP, because we both had that experience there.
Now you can tell me its not my place to decide what or how you present here. This is true. However, I decided after reading about a dozen posts of yours here that are completely unrelated to content, that it was worth pointing this out. I don't care about Lex's integrity, motives, control, dominance, or even if he has an interest in owning parrots, lol. This is a discussion about dependent arising, emptiness and objects (phenomena).
Now I've just given you a whole bunch of stuff to sink your teeth into. And more fodder to "run with" and you could just keep doing this. And I already know you will continue because I can see how strongly motivated you are to do this. Your energy is quite tangible and its poised to go on and on like the energizer bunny. Even so, if you decide to continue, it's not going to stop me from continuing with this topic and staying focused as long as any others are interested.
Like, nemo, I'd like to hear more from you. My post of "fightin words" was me joking, because I was tickled to read the word hogwash, it just caught me as funny. And actually, I was at my dentist's office when I posted that to you and was about to go into my appointment, so interpret that as you will (but no my dentist wasn't going to do any drilling that day so I was not under duress, lol). I realized after ninth posted right after, that my post might have looked serious, like I intended to fight you. Never was this the case, but its my fault for hastily replying with a joke to your response when maybe it was not good idea to respond to you that way considering I have appreciated your sincerity since you came here to engage on this topic, and am wanting to go further into what you said about what I am avoiding because I don't see where I have avoided anything about physics or this realm of action etc. But if you present to me your perspective I can work with that to give my perspective about what has been occurring to me (how I am processing content being discussed here). Or however you want to approach it, just know I am interested and not offended.
And if no one wanted to continue this discussion, that's also fine with me too. Not saying this to sound snippy, lol. I'm saying, I'll just go with the interest expressed. But those who are not seriously interested in whats being discussed, well, don't expect me to be interested in your posts either if all you are doing is trying to get off topic and onto what you want.
Just to let everyone know...after this evening I will be away till mid next week, so won't be able to reply to anyone until then.
I engaged you in a discussion when you first came here and you showed no interest in delving into Nargarjuna and dependent arising. I agree with Lex, if you are not interested in a discussion about dependent arising, at least allow those who are to have a discussion without taunting. You are not even offering a counter perspective because you are not discussing the material presented at all. You could try to disprove dependent arising by first investigating it and then show how dependent arising is not valid in your perspective. Instead I don't think you know anything about dependent arising at all. Its not that you have to agree with it, but at least look into some things about it and offer some engagement around it before you dismiss it. Otherwise why post here, in this thread? Because you think dependent origination is wrong? Then show us how its wrong. But see, its not about this with you, otherwise you would be doing this.
Then when Lex asks to stay on topic you turn that request into a big deal. And you are off and running and we have to read several posts from you about your theories of what Lex is doing, his motives blah blah blah. Obviously if Lex and I wanted to be confronted this way, we'd ask to go back to PP, because we both had that experience there.
Now you can tell me its not my place to decide what or how you present here. This is true. However, I decided after reading about a dozen posts of yours here that are completely unrelated to content, that it was worth pointing this out. I don't care about Lex's integrity, motives, control, dominance, or even if he has an interest in owning parrots, lol. This is a discussion about dependent arising, emptiness and objects (phenomena).
Now I've just given you a whole bunch of stuff to sink your teeth into. And more fodder to "run with" and you could just keep doing this. And I already know you will continue because I can see how strongly motivated you are to do this. Your energy is quite tangible and its poised to go on and on like the energizer bunny. Even so, if you decide to continue, it's not going to stop me from continuing with this topic and staying focused as long as any others are interested.
Like, nemo, I'd like to hear more from you. My post of "fightin words" was me joking, because I was tickled to read the word hogwash, it just caught me as funny. And actually, I was at my dentist's office when I posted that to you and was about to go into my appointment, so interpret that as you will (but no my dentist wasn't going to do any drilling that day so I was not under duress, lol). I realized after ninth posted right after, that my post might have looked serious, like I intended to fight you. Never was this the case, but its my fault for hastily replying with a joke to your response when maybe it was not good idea to respond to you that way considering I have appreciated your sincerity since you came here to engage on this topic, and am wanting to go further into what you said about what I am avoiding because I don't see where I have avoided anything about physics or this realm of action etc. But if you present to me your perspective I can work with that to give my perspective about what has been occurring to me (how I am processing content being discussed here). Or however you want to approach it, just know I am interested and not offended.
And if no one wanted to continue this discussion, that's also fine with me too. Not saying this to sound snippy, lol. I'm saying, I'll just go with the interest expressed. But those who are not seriously interested in whats being discussed, well, don't expect me to be interested in your posts either if all you are doing is trying to get off topic and onto what you want.
Just to let everyone know...after this evening I will be away till mid next week, so won't be able to reply to anyone until then.