Emptiness and Objects

[ninth octave]

ninth octave wrote:

So if it boils down to just delusions of self,  how does self remove the self from the proverbial black empty room- knowing it can not be truely empty until self leaves?Buddha quote:
"I am , is a vain thought, "I am not", is a a vain thought,"I shall be is a vain thought, "I shall not be", is a vain thought.Vain thoughts are a sickness, an ulcer, a thorn. But after overcoming all vain thoughts one is called a silent thinker. And the thinker, the silent one does no more arise, no more pass away, no more tremble, no more desire. For there is nothing left in him that he should arise again. And as he arises no more, how should he grow old again? And as he dies no more, how should he tremble? And as he trembles no more, how should he have desire?"