07-15-2010, 12:03 AM
Everything is already empty. But....it did not originate from a void and via this is inherently connected to emptiness. Rather what is here and now is empty. Tiffany
Perhaps those who think that void comes first and things originate from void would wish to step up and comment on this??? Or have you not examined your notions yet?
That's the beauty of a Nagarjuna. If you wish to understand what he says a firm conviction for truth is required. If you do not really care about truth you will not care about what he is drawing our attention to. He cares not whether you agree with him. In fact he would love it if you could muster an objection and engage. But what so often happens in discussions like this is that people are not that interested in what is true, not really believing there is such a thing anyway, and not wishing to be disabused of their most cherished ideas, choose instead not risk engaging for fear of appearing like a fool for believing false notions to begin with. But here's the kicker we are all full of the false ideas. It takes hard work to get through it. Just stepping forth with the Middle Way is an exercise in tackling our delusions and illusions.
Gonzo, Thank you for engaging man
Please would you tell us why you find Nagarjuna so difficult to understand, perhaps with a few examples. You are not alone with this. I too find Nagarjuna difficult to understand. I am used to defining realty via the four propositions.
Perhaps those who think that void comes first and things originate from void would wish to step up and comment on this??? Or have you not examined your notions yet?
That's the beauty of a Nagarjuna. If you wish to understand what he says a firm conviction for truth is required. If you do not really care about truth you will not care about what he is drawing our attention to. He cares not whether you agree with him. In fact he would love it if you could muster an objection and engage. But what so often happens in discussions like this is that people are not that interested in what is true, not really believing there is such a thing anyway, and not wishing to be disabused of their most cherished ideas, choose instead not risk engaging for fear of appearing like a fool for believing false notions to begin with. But here's the kicker we are all full of the false ideas. It takes hard work to get through it. Just stepping forth with the Middle Way is an exercise in tackling our delusions and illusions.
Gonzo, Thank you for engaging man
Please would you tell us why you find Nagarjuna so difficult to understand, perhaps with a few examples. You are not alone with this. I too find Nagarjuna difficult to understand. I am used to defining realty via the four propositions.