07-22-2010, 12:05 AM
Tiff wrote:The constant flux of her is not what is apparent, what is apparent is a snapshot view, this is the attachment aspect...failing to see the non-constant for what it is and in such ignorance assigning it with a permanence it has not. Things are perceived but then taken as constants in such perceptional apprehensions when they are absolutely not this way. So its just that we fail to see this is what we are doing all the time. We are making things permanent when they are not. Attachment to what is perceived is the cause of this.Perhaps what is being discussed is the attachment to perception, not perception itself. Nothing is permanent...the essence of being is change.
Tiff wrote:You, Gonzo, think of perception as the ultimate.I do? I think of working towards getting off the wheel of death and rebirth and moving on to other levels of effort.
Tiff wrote:But upon examination its seen that perception is the flux of objects reflected by thought.It is? I don't see it that way.
Tiff wrote: However, there is a constant that can account for reflection upon of sound and silence, light and darkness, large and small etc. Duality is not the end of the road, there is beyond this duality an experience not dependent on the dual equation. This constant is still part of dependent arising but it is permanent, whereas perception is impermanent.Says who?
Tiff wrote:So what's being introduced now is consciousness. What Buddha achieved was he got beyond impermanent, cyclic existence, and accessed permanent nature, called the Buddha-nature.I continue to equate consciousness with awareness, with perception, with thought, essentially those attributes which define existence. To me, each of us has a permanent nature. For example, another quote from TBCR:
An ordinary man is Buddha; desire and passion is enlightenment. One thought of folly makes a man an ordinary man; the next enlightened thought and he is a Buddha.
Tiff wrote:You, Gonzo, think of perception as the ultimate.I do? I think of working towards getting off the wheel of death and rebirth and moving on to other levels of effort.
Tiff wrote:But upon examination its seen that perception is the flux of objects reflected by thought.It is? I don't see it that way.
Tiff wrote: However, there is a constant that can account for reflection upon of sound and silence, light and darkness, large and small etc. Duality is not the end of the road, there is beyond this duality an experience not dependent on the dual equation. This constant is still part of dependent arising but it is permanent, whereas perception is impermanent.Says who?
Tiff wrote:So what's being introduced now is consciousness. What Buddha achieved was he got beyond impermanent, cyclic existence, and accessed permanent nature, called the Buddha-nature.I continue to equate consciousness with awareness, with perception, with thought, essentially those attributes which define existence. To me, each of us has a permanent nature. For example, another quote from TBCR:
An ordinary man is Buddha; desire and passion is enlightenment. One thought of folly makes a man an ordinary man; the next enlightened thought and he is a Buddha.