07-24-2010, 12:05 AM
“Seers have to be methodical, rational beings, paragons of
sobriety, and at the same time they must shy away from those qualities in order
to be completely free and open to the wonders and mysteries of existence.” (DJ
giving eg. of contradictions) Lex
This may sum up the difference in us. I see what DJ is getting at here, for you to label it as a contradiction is easy, he was aware of that himself. What you seem to be missing is the functional middle ground.
When I present rational that is not theoretical you take refuge in the abstract.
I believe in Toltec knowledge as presented by DJ because of my personal confirmation of most of what he has presented. The perspective that I have come up with theories is wrong.
Secondly the time when rational explanations have had value for me has ended, you still find value in them, why?
"Encounters With The Nagual" - ©2004 by Armando Torres
Conceptual Saturation
I once told Carlos once how difficult it was for me to understand the postulates of sorcery, and asked him for some definitions which could guide my rationality. But he told me that this was neither possible nor useful, since he didn't live in a reality of ordinary consensus.
"Not even I understand myself," he assured me with absolute seriousness.
He maintained that 'to comprehend' is to fix our attention on a specific point, from where things can be explained. The more accepted that point is by people in general, the truer we find it.
"But the universe is not reasonable, its essence is beyond all description. Security and common sense are islands floating around in a bottomless sea, and we only cling to them out of fear.
"If you continue on the path of knowledge, you will soon discover that explanations are placebos, since they never fulfill what they promise. For each thing they clarify, they generate a trail of contradictions. In fact, we never understand anything; true teaching is physical and we only get it after years of fighting. That is the nature of the lessons of the nagual.
sobriety, and at the same time they must shy away from those qualities in order
to be completely free and open to the wonders and mysteries of existence.” (DJ
giving eg. of contradictions) Lex
This may sum up the difference in us. I see what DJ is getting at here, for you to label it as a contradiction is easy, he was aware of that himself. What you seem to be missing is the functional middle ground.
When I present rational that is not theoretical you take refuge in the abstract.
I believe in Toltec knowledge as presented by DJ because of my personal confirmation of most of what he has presented. The perspective that I have come up with theories is wrong.
Secondly the time when rational explanations have had value for me has ended, you still find value in them, why?
"Encounters With The Nagual" - ©2004 by Armando Torres
Conceptual Saturation
I once told Carlos once how difficult it was for me to understand the postulates of sorcery, and asked him for some definitions which could guide my rationality. But he told me that this was neither possible nor useful, since he didn't live in a reality of ordinary consensus.
"Not even I understand myself," he assured me with absolute seriousness.
He maintained that 'to comprehend' is to fix our attention on a specific point, from where things can be explained. The more accepted that point is by people in general, the truer we find it.
"But the universe is not reasonable, its essence is beyond all description. Security and common sense are islands floating around in a bottomless sea, and we only cling to them out of fear.
"If you continue on the path of knowledge, you will soon discover that explanations are placebos, since they never fulfill what they promise. For each thing they clarify, they generate a trail of contradictions. In fact, we never understand anything; true teaching is physical and we only get it after years of fighting. That is the nature of the lessons of the nagual.