07-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Tiff wrote:Gonzo, just so your contradictions are crystal clear to you...
"So, as with awakening, it's not something to be accomplished since it already is."~ Gonzo
"I think of working towards getting off the wheel of death and rebirth and moving on to other levels of effort." ~Gonzo
"We progress through various soul levels - infant, baby, young, mature, old - and eventually, we "graduate", having learned all we can from being in human form." ~Gonzo
in other words, awaken to another level.
"According to Monroe's "trip reports", beyond the realm of human, lie at least seven more levels, and these really are what I was referring to. They have names and some description, but I would have to dig them up. The process, however, appears to be the same...more lessons, more learning, more experience." ~ Gonzo
more awakening to.
So in one breath you say nothing to awaken to, then in another you describe a very distinct process of evolution towards....realizing the buddha-nature because its is not heir apparent to us and thus we need to progress through stages to realize it.
We have a problem with the definition of "awaken". What you call awakening I call learning, or evolution as a process of self-discovery. The "awakening" I refer to is supposedly the process of achieving enlightenment, either the gradual or the sudden...also that state alluded to in Plato's analogy of the cave.
"So, as with awakening, it's not something to be accomplished since it already is."~ Gonzo
"I think of working towards getting off the wheel of death and rebirth and moving on to other levels of effort." ~Gonzo
"We progress through various soul levels - infant, baby, young, mature, old - and eventually, we "graduate", having learned all we can from being in human form." ~Gonzo
in other words, awaken to another level.
"According to Monroe's "trip reports", beyond the realm of human, lie at least seven more levels, and these really are what I was referring to. They have names and some description, but I would have to dig them up. The process, however, appears to be the same...more lessons, more learning, more experience." ~ Gonzo
more awakening to.
So in one breath you say nothing to awaken to, then in another you describe a very distinct process of evolution towards....realizing the buddha-nature because its is not heir apparent to us and thus we need to progress through stages to realize it.
We have a problem with the definition of "awaken". What you call awakening I call learning, or evolution as a process of self-discovery. The "awakening" I refer to is supposedly the process of achieving enlightenment, either the gradual or the sudden...also that state alluded to in Plato's analogy of the cave.