07-27-2010, 12:06 AM
Tiff wrote:To prove you are individual essence. Or, if you prefer, then to prove you can have personal notions.
First it cannot happen. Not in your body...which was composed by family DNA, not in mind which was shaped by friends, family, teachers, co-workers, partners. Not in perception which knows only interaction in phenomena (all your memories up till today that gives a sense of identity)...at no point can you be in a void alone, just you, as a personal entity without ever having been connected with everything else. If it can't be done, then it can't be so. In other words, there is no personal you that stands alone. And the criteria of individual essence (personal notions) is it must stand alone. No-thing stands alone. You cannot show me anything that does this.I submit this is specious logic. That is, your conclusion that there is no personal you cannot follow merely from the standpoint that that personal being does not stand alone. Obviously, in order to have identity, there must be "other". In fact, quite the opposite conclusion is logical.
First it cannot happen. Not in your body...which was composed by family DNA, not in mind which was shaped by friends, family, teachers, co-workers, partners. Not in perception which knows only interaction in phenomena (all your memories up till today that gives a sense of identity)...at no point can you be in a void alone, just you, as a personal entity without ever having been connected with everything else. If it can't be done, then it can't be so. In other words, there is no personal you that stands alone. And the criteria of individual essence (personal notions) is it must stand alone. No-thing stands alone. You cannot show me anything that does this.I submit this is specious logic. That is, your conclusion that there is no personal you cannot follow merely from the standpoint that that personal being does not stand alone. Obviously, in order to have identity, there must be "other". In fact, quite the opposite conclusion is logical.