07-28-2010, 12:07 AM
Gonzo wrote:
ninth octave wrote:
Isn't pure unconditioned awareness some THING? If there is some THING, you might as well call it "me"...Gonzo
Let's just say there is no borderline between what the inner self is experiencing and what the self is projecting to others outwardly. The thinker is absent in the moment because it detaches from any foreign elements to distract it from remaining close inside the now as it unfolds.. There is NO essence of a me/ self and there is no essence of the other self that projects outwardly to the corresponding object(s) or person(s) that would separate the moment from it's totality. ( two happeners don't exist here). This is response while sustaining unconditioned awareness . It depends upon what condition your condition is in to begin with since everything is subject to impermanence. Is nirvana subject to impermanence too? The two happeners ( aversions or what ever essence divides or splits the moment from its totality) doesn't exist or show any essence in the moments of nondualism. Nothing revolves around the self - not even the the egotic nature.Meaning that our"self"- centeredness is ill-founded anywhere. Buddhism observes that the "self" we're so desperately concerned about IS AN ILLUSION. Our ultimate nature is no- self or selflessness. It means that our INDEPENDENT "selfhood" is illusory. Everyone and everything is interconnected and interdependent. The ignorance of our selflessness is the origin of our attachments and aversions, which are in turn the origin of suffering.
I'm not sure how you can say there are not two happeners here, since you wrote the above and I'm writing this.
re Nirvana...I liked a quip I posted earlier...the implication is, that like awakening, there is no such thing as Nirvana. In effect, all that is, is impermanent, since the essence of being is change.
ninth octave wrote:
Isn't pure unconditioned awareness some THING? If there is some THING, you might as well call it "me"...Gonzo
Let's just say there is no borderline between what the inner self is experiencing and what the self is projecting to others outwardly. The thinker is absent in the moment because it detaches from any foreign elements to distract it from remaining close inside the now as it unfolds.. There is NO essence of a me/ self and there is no essence of the other self that projects outwardly to the corresponding object(s) or person(s) that would separate the moment from it's totality. ( two happeners don't exist here). This is response while sustaining unconditioned awareness . It depends upon what condition your condition is in to begin with since everything is subject to impermanence. Is nirvana subject to impermanence too? The two happeners ( aversions or what ever essence divides or splits the moment from its totality) doesn't exist or show any essence in the moments of nondualism. Nothing revolves around the self - not even the the egotic nature.Meaning that our"self"- centeredness is ill-founded anywhere. Buddhism observes that the "self" we're so desperately concerned about IS AN ILLUSION. Our ultimate nature is no- self or selflessness. It means that our INDEPENDENT "selfhood" is illusory. Everyone and everything is interconnected and interdependent. The ignorance of our selflessness is the origin of our attachments and aversions, which are in turn the origin of suffering.
I'm not sure how you can say there are not two happeners here, since you wrote the above and I'm writing this.
re Nirvana...I liked a quip I posted earlier...the implication is, that like awakening, there is no such thing as Nirvana. In effect, all that is, is impermanent, since the essence of being is change.