11-11-2010, 12:00 AM
"Wei please let me know if there is some question I could be of help to answer, as I don't read the post here.
HAHA )))) I saw my name on the front page, so that got me here."
ok I will. I'm not actually here to run any Zen discussions though...I was mysteriously made moderator, lol, so just being proactive here is all.
"I dislike discussion about zen, people shift into being in their head about phenomena they experience or worth about something they read in a book... The internal dialogue runs and the cultivation of Mind is lost. Hench the way to enlightenment is lost."
Ok, then my hunch is Lonewolf started this forum, and in fact it has proven, as I see it, a good way to illustrate this very thing...so served it purpose? only time will tell.
In your Zen community, I wonder if your same like-mindedness serves you well though. Too much validation of "this way only"?--to reference that empty cup, its easy to see you're bothered by any way that diverges from the way endorsed in your group practice. Perhaps you think you just need to let go of the concern, but don't see that your group practice reinforces it again anyway by adherence to a "way" still. To me this is a mental state of reference you are making, the very thing you say you are against. Perhaps Zen has no way, and that's the rub.
Seems any path taken becomes, by necessity, a mental point of reference trying to reach this illusive Zen Void. Can we totally drop the reference point, the AP? Are we meant to? These are questions I ask myself. And in general to anyone interested.
HAHA )))) I saw my name on the front page, so that got me here."
ok I will. I'm not actually here to run any Zen discussions though...I was mysteriously made moderator, lol, so just being proactive here is all.
"I dislike discussion about zen, people shift into being in their head about phenomena they experience or worth about something they read in a book... The internal dialogue runs and the cultivation of Mind is lost. Hench the way to enlightenment is lost."
Ok, then my hunch is Lonewolf started this forum, and in fact it has proven, as I see it, a good way to illustrate this very thing...so served it purpose? only time will tell.
In your Zen community, I wonder if your same like-mindedness serves you well though. Too much validation of "this way only"?--to reference that empty cup, its easy to see you're bothered by any way that diverges from the way endorsed in your group practice. Perhaps you think you just need to let go of the concern, but don't see that your group practice reinforces it again anyway by adherence to a "way" still. To me this is a mental state of reference you are making, the very thing you say you are against. Perhaps Zen has no way, and that's the rub.
Seems any path taken becomes, by necessity, a mental point of reference trying to reach this illusive Zen Void. Can we totally drop the reference point, the AP? Are we meant to? These are questions I ask myself. And in general to anyone interested.