08-23-2010, 12:00 AM
Zen practice is a pursuit where the goal is to experience the Buddha nature – A major point is to enter a state of no internal dialogue and no-dual awareness. That means that there is no longer a self and a world – but that All is one. To keep that going every moment after Enlightenment is the further training. Mornings Son
"but that All is one." Mornings Son would you please tell us what you understand this statement to mean? This idea of ONENESS is very popular. Lex
MS-response
In what way does no-self and no world contribute to the idea of oneness? How is the idea of no-world arrived at?
These words are merrily pointing to the Moon, not the Truth
no-self and no-world is Emptiness experienced as Now and Here.
There is many path to arrive at no-world experience. In Zen Zazen is the method.
emptiness is form, form is emptiness
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Edit:
Zen is about experiencing Truth beyonds words and concepts. This makes is difficult to talk about as concepts and ideas easy leads into fixations of the Mind, when what is needed is the Mind to be free of all fixations.
Lex it is a paradox to be experienced - Oneness, no-self and no-world, its not something to understand.
MS I just saw your response.
When I asked for an elucidation concerning your statement “All is one” I am aware that what led to such a statement may lay beyond words and concepts. However what I am addressing is the engaging of words to express a concept “All is one”. You did not say “the table has many legs”, you specifically said “All is one”. So these words were chosen to express specifically!
Zen is about experiencing Truth beyonds words and concepts. This makes is difficult to talk about as concepts and ideas easy leads into fixations of the Mind, MS
You see I did not ask you about Zen. I asked you about your concept “All is one”. Did you think that the idea “All is one” was Zen and not just a concept?
I think by now we are all aware that words and concepts cannot fully express the inconceivable.
I would just like to explore with you your concept that all is one, which I too endorse.
Lex
"but that All is one." Mornings Son would you please tell us what you understand this statement to mean? This idea of ONENESS is very popular. Lex
MS-response
In what way does no-self and no world contribute to the idea of oneness? How is the idea of no-world arrived at?
These words are merrily pointing to the Moon, not the Truth
no-self and no-world is Emptiness experienced as Now and Here.
There is many path to arrive at no-world experience. In Zen Zazen is the method.
emptiness is form, form is emptiness
***
Edit:
Zen is about experiencing Truth beyonds words and concepts. This makes is difficult to talk about as concepts and ideas easy leads into fixations of the Mind, when what is needed is the Mind to be free of all fixations.
Lex it is a paradox to be experienced - Oneness, no-self and no-world, its not something to understand.
MS I just saw your response.
When I asked for an elucidation concerning your statement “All is one” I am aware that what led to such a statement may lay beyond words and concepts. However what I am addressing is the engaging of words to express a concept “All is one”. You did not say “the table has many legs”, you specifically said “All is one”. So these words were chosen to express specifically!
Zen is about experiencing Truth beyonds words and concepts. This makes is difficult to talk about as concepts and ideas easy leads into fixations of the Mind, MS
You see I did not ask you about Zen. I asked you about your concept “All is one”. Did you think that the idea “All is one” was Zen and not just a concept?
I think by now we are all aware that words and concepts cannot fully express the inconceivable.
I would just like to explore with you your concept that all is one, which I too endorse.
Lex