01-21-2014, 12:00 AM
shamanka wrote:i dont know what you think about any of it..its not in my sphere..this was female appreciation thread. the concept of bigotry doesnt really belong here. i actually feel bigotry doesnt exist apart from in peoples minds...and i have as little to do with the minds of people as possible, especially those who insist something exists for everyone.
do your loaded posts make me feel as a woman, that i wish to now reciprocate with a male appreciation thread...well funny that, because i wrote a poem on the appreciation of men, before you posted your comments..have i posted it in tonal after reading your posts..err no..
have you ever had to kill one of your own babies? i guess not.
I appreciate you Shamanka for giving me a chance to demonstrate how powerfully switching the birth group of the people involved in an action alters our perception of the action. So I'll just quote you as if you'd been saying the exact same things about people based on race...
"I don't know what you think of any of it..it's not in my sphere..this was white people appreciation thread. the concept of bigotry really doesn't belong here."
It's hard to not laugh when reading that. It highlights the bigotry very well. Most of us can easily see that the entire concept of creating a white people appreciation thread is bigotted and that someone objecting to that bigotry in such a thread is justified. When we judge actions based on the quality of the actions themselves and not on what birth groups the people involved are we can see that this thread is no less bigotted than a white people appreciation thread.
"do your loaded posts make me feel as a white person, that i wish to now reciprocate with an other races appreciation thread...well funny that, because i wrote a poem on the appreciation of other races, before you posted your comments..have i posted it in tonal after reading your posts..err no.."
Heh, nice stalking there. Of course, it's a little easier not to be fooled when we switch it over to races again. First of all, we'd wonder what "loaded posts" really meant. It's ambiguous, and seems to be implying wrongdoing on the part of the person who made the so-called "loaded" posts. The follow-up with "make me feel as a white person, that I now wish to reciprocate with an other races appreciation thread", hints that the OP had somehow insulted white people. This is of course just a stalk on your part, trying to get others to have a gut reaction of anger towards me for allegedly having wronged women somehow in my posts. It will work a lot of the time on many people. With races however, we tend to be a little less gut-reactiony and more thinky. We typically would actually look for the implied insult to whites, and not blur the difference between objecting to bigotry against non-whites with being anti-white in our minds. Finally, after rousing this anger against me you then try to blame me for you not reciprocating. This is just a simple case of confusing cause and effect darling. My pointing out that the women hadn't reciprocated happened AFTER this thread had been around a month and women didn't reciprocate, it was not the CAUSE of it. Your "I was going to post it but because of him I'm not going to anymore!" sounds like grade school manipulation. When I was a child my little sister used to do something similar when we argued "I was going to make something for you but not now!" I think she was 12 when she finally realized she wasn't fooling me with it.
Not that I'm trying to suggest that women NEVER reciprocate this sort of thing, just that it's pretty rare. They, (for the most part), don't feel obligated to do so. They see "female only" or "for women" as progress and something they are entitled to. People don't like it when you object to what they believe are their entitlements.
do your loaded posts make me feel as a woman, that i wish to now reciprocate with a male appreciation thread...well funny that, because i wrote a poem on the appreciation of men, before you posted your comments..have i posted it in tonal after reading your posts..err no..
have you ever had to kill one of your own babies? i guess not.
I appreciate you Shamanka for giving me a chance to demonstrate how powerfully switching the birth group of the people involved in an action alters our perception of the action. So I'll just quote you as if you'd been saying the exact same things about people based on race...
"I don't know what you think of any of it..it's not in my sphere..this was white people appreciation thread. the concept of bigotry really doesn't belong here."
It's hard to not laugh when reading that. It highlights the bigotry very well. Most of us can easily see that the entire concept of creating a white people appreciation thread is bigotted and that someone objecting to that bigotry in such a thread is justified. When we judge actions based on the quality of the actions themselves and not on what birth groups the people involved are we can see that this thread is no less bigotted than a white people appreciation thread.
"do your loaded posts make me feel as a white person, that i wish to now reciprocate with an other races appreciation thread...well funny that, because i wrote a poem on the appreciation of other races, before you posted your comments..have i posted it in tonal after reading your posts..err no.."
Heh, nice stalking there. Of course, it's a little easier not to be fooled when we switch it over to races again. First of all, we'd wonder what "loaded posts" really meant. It's ambiguous, and seems to be implying wrongdoing on the part of the person who made the so-called "loaded" posts. The follow-up with "make me feel as a white person, that I now wish to reciprocate with an other races appreciation thread", hints that the OP had somehow insulted white people. This is of course just a stalk on your part, trying to get others to have a gut reaction of anger towards me for allegedly having wronged women somehow in my posts. It will work a lot of the time on many people. With races however, we tend to be a little less gut-reactiony and more thinky. We typically would actually look for the implied insult to whites, and not blur the difference between objecting to bigotry against non-whites with being anti-white in our minds. Finally, after rousing this anger against me you then try to blame me for you not reciprocating. This is just a simple case of confusing cause and effect darling. My pointing out that the women hadn't reciprocated happened AFTER this thread had been around a month and women didn't reciprocate, it was not the CAUSE of it. Your "I was going to post it but because of him I'm not going to anymore!" sounds like grade school manipulation. When I was a child my little sister used to do something similar when we argued "I was going to make something for you but not now!" I think she was 12 when she finally realized she wasn't fooling me with it.
Not that I'm trying to suggest that women NEVER reciprocate this sort of thing, just that it's pretty rare. They, (for the most part), don't feel obligated to do so. They see "female only" or "for women" as progress and something they are entitled to. People don't like it when you object to what they believe are their entitlements.