01-25-2014, 12:00 AM
Kao, I think you missed where I defined bigotry in the original post I made in this thread. I'll do so a little more clearly here. I'm defining it as the belief in or support of a multi-class system of people based on what they were born. This is demonstrated whenever a person supports entitlements or obligations for people solely according to their birth group.
As I tried to explain earlier, it is important to leave hatred out of it, because hatred is not a required component for bigotry. If I don't hate blacks but still own a few as slaves, my ownership of them does constitute bigotry regardless of my lack of hatred for them. I believe back in the day a lot of plantation owners did not hate blacks. Their used to be a common joke about people who went to whites only country clubs claiming they weren't racist with the line "some of my best friends are black". Also, there were a lot of whites only hotels back in the day. Some of those were operated by people who didn't hate other races, but knew that they would get more business that way. That action still qualifies as bigotry by my definition. None of these incidents would qualify by the merriam-webster definition you offered.
As far as the book citation goes; well we've all heard lots of feminist propaganda all our lives from the mainstream media, our teachers as we grew up, and others. This creates a lot of foundational beliefs which build on top of each other. The media has been dead silent on the alternative view. Since the base foundational beliefs of our structures are so different I cannot just in one or two sentences demonstrate why I subscribe to the model of gender inequality that I do. So I cited a 450 page book that does so. I thought it better to cite the book than try to write a new one in here.
I feel like you are right in that I haven't been doing a great job presenting my argument, and it's a very challenging one to try to give to people. I'll make a new thread, (I'll try to get it done tonight but I'll commit to finishing it before next Friday), in the Mastering Awareness forum to focus more on laying out what I believe is a more accurate and more mature description of the relationship between the sexes throughout history and today than the "Men oppressed women", "women should run the planet", "it's okay if men are victims of sexism because once upon a time women were", "when men are victims of sexism it's just a power pendulum swinging so it's unavoidable and will self-correct" model which is promoted everywhere today. Since our sex is such a major part of our identities I think it is necessary to closely examine the judgements we make about the sexes if we are to truly understand ourselves.
Further, let me finish off in this thread, (I won't be posting in it again), by apologizing for offending some people. I announced to people earlier that I would be doing some self-stalking at this time, and this is part of it. I know this thread by itself doesn't matter a hill of beans, nor does it make any noticable difference in the world at large if I conviced all 20 or so people who might read it to see things exactly the same way I do. I know it shouldn't bother me but these issues do still get a rise out of me. It's necessary for me to self stalk this on my path at this point.
Finally, I want to say one more time that I don't hate any of you and I'm not judging anyone here as a "bad person" or anything. Please remember that.
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As I tried to explain earlier, it is important to leave hatred out of it, because hatred is not a required component for bigotry. If I don't hate blacks but still own a few as slaves, my ownership of them does constitute bigotry regardless of my lack of hatred for them. I believe back in the day a lot of plantation owners did not hate blacks. Their used to be a common joke about people who went to whites only country clubs claiming they weren't racist with the line "some of my best friends are black". Also, there were a lot of whites only hotels back in the day. Some of those were operated by people who didn't hate other races, but knew that they would get more business that way. That action still qualifies as bigotry by my definition. None of these incidents would qualify by the merriam-webster definition you offered.
As far as the book citation goes; well we've all heard lots of feminist propaganda all our lives from the mainstream media, our teachers as we grew up, and others. This creates a lot of foundational beliefs which build on top of each other. The media has been dead silent on the alternative view. Since the base foundational beliefs of our structures are so different I cannot just in one or two sentences demonstrate why I subscribe to the model of gender inequality that I do. So I cited a 450 page book that does so. I thought it better to cite the book than try to write a new one in here.
I feel like you are right in that I haven't been doing a great job presenting my argument, and it's a very challenging one to try to give to people. I'll make a new thread, (I'll try to get it done tonight but I'll commit to finishing it before next Friday), in the Mastering Awareness forum to focus more on laying out what I believe is a more accurate and more mature description of the relationship between the sexes throughout history and today than the "Men oppressed women", "women should run the planet", "it's okay if men are victims of sexism because once upon a time women were", "when men are victims of sexism it's just a power pendulum swinging so it's unavoidable and will self-correct" model which is promoted everywhere today. Since our sex is such a major part of our identities I think it is necessary to closely examine the judgements we make about the sexes if we are to truly understand ourselves.
Further, let me finish off in this thread, (I won't be posting in it again), by apologizing for offending some people. I announced to people earlier that I would be doing some self-stalking at this time, and this is part of it. I know this thread by itself doesn't matter a hill of beans, nor does it make any noticable difference in the world at large if I conviced all 20 or so people who might read it to see things exactly the same way I do. I know it shouldn't bother me but these issues do still get a rise out of me. It's necessary for me to self stalk this on my path at this point.
Finally, I want to say one more time that I don't hate any of you and I'm not judging anyone here as a "bad person" or anything. Please remember that.
[Edit: what edit? ]