09-21-2010, 12:00 AM
Wei Shan Yang wrote:haha, Gonzo, try the hear what I'm saying. I'm not saying its all thought, I'm saying there is more to see than thought is telling. So its thought is, to phrase it another way... "is that certain?" aka lets question these assumptions rather then assume they are true.
Is there such a thing as birth? We have seen birth occur around us, but that could be because it was the inception planted, like in dreams. Our own birth we do not recall, cannot remember. Maybe we could hypnotize ourselves and have a birth recall, but how firm would such a recall be? The birth event will never be as certain as say the day we graduated high school or the day we learned to ride a bike. These events we consciously recall, but birth is not a conscious recollection. Yet we believe it so certainly due to everyone believes it and its seen all around. The only missing piece is our own experience of it at the time it supposedly happened. What is birth like (experientially)? What is begining like? A true beginning? We don't knwo. So why believe it's a certainty it even happened?!
Again, you believe all is thought, not me. I want to get past that assertion. You are not being facetious as I see it, you are just not seeing the distinction. Thought is one of the 5 aggregates in Buddhism, from which arises a view of ignorance and it is ignorance that must be overcome to experience enlightenment. Its not all thought, cannot be, thought is one component and is interconnected. I have said this to you before and so remind you about it here.
Heard a quote yesterday "What is thought? No matter. What is matter?" Nevermind." But take one away from this interconnected relationship and both are unqualified. So neither one originated the other, they are interdependent.
Heard a quote yesterday "What is thought? No matter. What is matter?"
Nevermind." But take one away from this interconnected relationship and
both are unqualified. So neither one originated the other, they are
interdependent.
If I may, thought is a physiological occurrence. Stimulus--->action potential in a neuron that coincides with the area of the brain stimulated---->thought. The magic may be in the stimulus rather than the thought itself. What causes a thought? What causes a part of the brain to "fire"? Thoughts are as much matter as breath imo.
Is there such a thing as birth? We have seen birth occur around us, but that could be because it was the inception planted, like in dreams. Our own birth we do not recall, cannot remember. Maybe we could hypnotize ourselves and have a birth recall, but how firm would such a recall be? The birth event will never be as certain as say the day we graduated high school or the day we learned to ride a bike. These events we consciously recall, but birth is not a conscious recollection. Yet we believe it so certainly due to everyone believes it and its seen all around. The only missing piece is our own experience of it at the time it supposedly happened. What is birth like (experientially)? What is begining like? A true beginning? We don't knwo. So why believe it's a certainty it even happened?!
Again, you believe all is thought, not me. I want to get past that assertion. You are not being facetious as I see it, you are just not seeing the distinction. Thought is one of the 5 aggregates in Buddhism, from which arises a view of ignorance and it is ignorance that must be overcome to experience enlightenment. Its not all thought, cannot be, thought is one component and is interconnected. I have said this to you before and so remind you about it here.
Heard a quote yesterday "What is thought? No matter. What is matter?" Nevermind." But take one away from this interconnected relationship and both are unqualified. So neither one originated the other, they are interdependent.
Heard a quote yesterday "What is thought? No matter. What is matter?"
Nevermind." But take one away from this interconnected relationship and
both are unqualified. So neither one originated the other, they are
interdependent.
If I may, thought is a physiological occurrence. Stimulus--->action potential in a neuron that coincides with the area of the brain stimulated---->thought. The magic may be in the stimulus rather than the thought itself. What causes a thought? What causes a part of the brain to "fire"? Thoughts are as much matter as breath imo.