09-22-2010, 12:00 AM
SelfHealedMadman wrote:Wei Shan Yang wrote:
About that movie... when I saw it I was noticing how its implied to the audience that there is even a waking realm in the first place...its just something taken for granted. That a waking is intrinsically different than the dreaming layers. Then a tension in the movie builds around this need to find/get back to the "real" realm.
Saw Inception last night. Very interesting.
Yes Wei, your comments above are accurate. I also noticed this in the movie, The Matrix, as well. My first thought was, after he was 'awakened,' "how do you know you're not in yet another matrix?"
I've not much to add at this point. A bit rattled due to the fact that when the team went to get the new chemist, that basement scene with all the dreamers was very familiar. Several years ago I Dreamed that exact setup as in the movie. A bit unnerving. Hey SHM, just now saw your post, would have responded sooner...
Yes, I thought it was also very similar to the Matrix, but it had its own unique take and was actually more relevant to our experience of existence. This idea of dreams within dreams and we think there is an anchorpoint which is the waking realm, but the waking is just a slower vibration of dreaming for instance.
Something is happening in perception, and its the inception of the idea of the real vs the unreal. The real "us" is in waking, the unreal us is in dreaming. Just an inception ...this idea. Another one: the real us is separate from other things around us. Such as, the real us is the perceiver, the perceived is a result of that. So the perceiver is the essence, the reality "seen" is a byproduct of that essence. That's what is implied in the movie, that these people have essences and reside in their waking realm and that the dream layers are byproducts of their true state. The solidification of a true state is the inception doing its work in the most extreme sense. Because its been anchored, fear can then be inserted into the "dream" with the threat being the loss or hijacking of essence of whats perceived as real self, (waking).
The movie puts forth the idea at the end, at least this is how I interpreted it, of "is there even such a thing as a true state (essence) of reality that is more than dreaming? and if not, then all is dreaming." My friend who was with me was uncomfortable with the ending and I see this as the uneasiness of temporarily losing the anchorpoint of solidification and so she tried to reestablish it by asking questions such as "ok, what happened, did he get back to his real life?" So she was going to anchor it eventually with whatever conclusion she came up with becasue her intent ws not so much to understand, but ratehr to re-anchor herself to the idea of a solid reality.
About that movie... when I saw it I was noticing how its implied to the audience that there is even a waking realm in the first place...its just something taken for granted. That a waking is intrinsically different than the dreaming layers. Then a tension in the movie builds around this need to find/get back to the "real" realm.
Saw Inception last night. Very interesting.
Yes Wei, your comments above are accurate. I also noticed this in the movie, The Matrix, as well. My first thought was, after he was 'awakened,' "how do you know you're not in yet another matrix?"
I've not much to add at this point. A bit rattled due to the fact that when the team went to get the new chemist, that basement scene with all the dreamers was very familiar. Several years ago I Dreamed that exact setup as in the movie. A bit unnerving. Hey SHM, just now saw your post, would have responded sooner...
Yes, I thought it was also very similar to the Matrix, but it had its own unique take and was actually more relevant to our experience of existence. This idea of dreams within dreams and we think there is an anchorpoint which is the waking realm, but the waking is just a slower vibration of dreaming for instance.
Something is happening in perception, and its the inception of the idea of the real vs the unreal. The real "us" is in waking, the unreal us is in dreaming. Just an inception ...this idea. Another one: the real us is separate from other things around us. Such as, the real us is the perceiver, the perceived is a result of that. So the perceiver is the essence, the reality "seen" is a byproduct of that essence. That's what is implied in the movie, that these people have essences and reside in their waking realm and that the dream layers are byproducts of their true state. The solidification of a true state is the inception doing its work in the most extreme sense. Because its been anchored, fear can then be inserted into the "dream" with the threat being the loss or hijacking of essence of whats perceived as real self, (waking).
The movie puts forth the idea at the end, at least this is how I interpreted it, of "is there even such a thing as a true state (essence) of reality that is more than dreaming? and if not, then all is dreaming." My friend who was with me was uncomfortable with the ending and I see this as the uneasiness of temporarily losing the anchorpoint of solidification and so she tried to reestablish it by asking questions such as "ok, what happened, did he get back to his real life?" So she was going to anchor it eventually with whatever conclusion she came up with becasue her intent ws not so much to understand, but ratehr to re-anchor herself to the idea of a solid reality.