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"The flaw with words is that they always force us to feel enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment. For this reason, a sorcerer seeks to act rather than to talk and to this effect he gets a new description of the world--a new description where talking is not that important, and where new acts have new reflections."

The Japanese word Natsukashii represents an intense nostalgia, an unquenchable desire to return to the 'golden times' of whatever context is concerned.

The German word Sehnsucht means extreme longing.

I think since I'm an INFP, I experience things in a more emotional manner than in a rational manner, and for this reason I have unveiled a deep feeling I have been feeling over the past couple years. It's a sad longing for some unbelievably amazing time. It's as if I used to be part of a group of amazing people capable of amazing things, like if they lived on an MMO world but in real life with tremendous power (I apologize for the gaming terminology, I am a millennial).

The most intense version of this feeling came to me when I read the Second Ring of Power, which despite being one of the worst books due its lack of Don Juan and just depicting Carlos indulging like a buffoon, there's a part of the book that really killed me. It's when Carlos hears by the little sisters that Don Juan left the world together with his band and Eligio. They went into another world to experience inconceivable acts of perception while Carlos is stuck in a nightmare of the flyer's doing. Of course he is only indulging so much because he is in the first attention, but when he remembers everything he becomes a formless warrior.

I also associate this sadness of knowing the amazing people you once had contact to went away with the last scene of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, in which Frodo leaves the world with the highest of sorcerers and leaves Sam behind. Even though I was quite young when I watched that scene, I felt a tremendous sadness. As I'm writing this I also remembered that I associate it a little bit too with the Last Airbender, in which Ang used to belong with a group of awesome Avatars until everything was destroyed and he was frozen in the ice.

I think actually that the reason for all of this is pretty simple. These myths, whether they be Tolkien books or mythology or music or paintings or even television series, they all amount up to the same thing. We humans share, in the deep depths of our soul, a very powerful sentiment regarding all this. We have an eternal lasting for the time when we were the kings of the Earth, when we ran around with pure freedom and capable of extraordinary feats of perception and awareness. Everything changed when the flyers came, though, and they still are here. We are still trapped. I like Don Juan's metaphor for this:

"Our great collective flaw is that we live our lives completely disregarding that connection. The busyness of our lives, our relentless interests, concerns, hopes, frustrations, and fears take precedence, and on a day-to-day basis we are unaware of being linked to everything else.
Being cast out from the Garden of Eden sounds like an allegory for losing our silent knowledge, our knowledge of intent. Sorcery, then, is a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise."

On the Active Side of Infinity, before the chapter of the mudshadows/flyers, Don Juan hints at them by saying:

"The old sorcerers called it inner silence because it is a state in which perception doesn't depend on the senses. What is at work during inner silence is another faculty that man has, the faculty that makes him a magical being, the very faculty that has been curtailed, not by man himself but by some extraneous influence."

And on the chapter where he tells Carlos of the flyers he also says:

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

The darkness of what we read in this chapter is so abhorring that I think none of us actually understands it. Maybe some of us shook and spit out a nervous laughter, but I think one day, as the we progress on the sorcerer's path, we will actually have enough personal power to truly understand what Don Juan meant by this, and that will be a scary fucking day.]]>
"The flaw with words is that they always force us to feel enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment. For this reason, a sorcerer seeks to act rather than to talk and to this effect he gets a new description of the world--a new description where talking is not that important, and where new acts have new reflections."

The Japanese word Natsukashii represents an intense nostalgia, an unquenchable desire to return to the 'golden times' of whatever context is concerned.

The German word Sehnsucht means extreme longing.

I think since I'm an INFP, I experience things in a more emotional manner than in a rational manner, and for this reason I have unveiled a deep feeling I have been feeling over the past couple years. It's a sad longing for some unbelievably amazing time. It's as if I used to be part of a group of amazing people capable of amazing things, like if they lived on an MMO world but in real life with tremendous power (I apologize for the gaming terminology, I am a millennial).

The most intense version of this feeling came to me when I read the Second Ring of Power, which despite being one of the worst books due its lack of Don Juan and just depicting Carlos indulging like a buffoon, there's a part of the book that really killed me. It's when Carlos hears by the little sisters that Don Juan left the world together with his band and Eligio. They went into another world to experience inconceivable acts of perception while Carlos is stuck in a nightmare of the flyer's doing. Of course he is only indulging so much because he is in the first attention, but when he remembers everything he becomes a formless warrior.

I also associate this sadness of knowing the amazing people you once had contact to went away with the last scene of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, in which Frodo leaves the world with the highest of sorcerers and leaves Sam behind. Even though I was quite young when I watched that scene, I felt a tremendous sadness. As I'm writing this I also remembered that I associate it a little bit too with the Last Airbender, in which Ang used to belong with a group of awesome Avatars until everything was destroyed and he was frozen in the ice.

I think actually that the reason for all of this is pretty simple. These myths, whether they be Tolkien books or mythology or music or paintings or even television series, they all amount up to the same thing. We humans share, in the deep depths of our soul, a very powerful sentiment regarding all this. We have an eternal lasting for the time when we were the kings of the Earth, when we ran around with pure freedom and capable of extraordinary feats of perception and awareness. Everything changed when the flyers came, though, and they still are here. We are still trapped. I like Don Juan's metaphor for this:

"Our great collective flaw is that we live our lives completely disregarding that connection. The busyness of our lives, our relentless interests, concerns, hopes, frustrations, and fears take precedence, and on a day-to-day basis we are unaware of being linked to everything else.
Being cast out from the Garden of Eden sounds like an allegory for losing our silent knowledge, our knowledge of intent. Sorcery, then, is a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise."

On the Active Side of Infinity, before the chapter of the mudshadows/flyers, Don Juan hints at them by saying:

"The old sorcerers called it inner silence because it is a state in which perception doesn't depend on the senses. What is at work during inner silence is another faculty that man has, the faculty that makes him a magical being, the very faculty that has been curtailed, not by man himself but by some extraneous influence."

And on the chapter where he tells Carlos of the flyers he also says:

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

The darkness of what we read in this chapter is so abhorring that I think none of us actually understands it. Maybe some of us shook and spit out a nervous laughter, but I think one day, as the we progress on the sorcerer's path, we will actually have enough personal power to truly understand what Don Juan meant by this, and that will be a scary fucking day.]]> https://tapatalk.sorcerytime.com/thread-21056.html Sat, 01 Jul 2017 02:00:02 +0200 watergaze]]> https://tapatalk.sorcerytime.com/thread-21056.html Both emotions (sadness and longing) share a base of similarities that I want to focus on and therefore I will talk about them together in general.

There were times in my life where the longing/sadness actually hurt. A lot. Now I am of the opinion that the clearer the conduit I am for Spirit (this is a different topic but in short one needs to de-bs oneself as much as possible ), the less hurt I get from strong emotions (for example beauty was another one that mixed with pain). DJ said that warriors cry tears of blood out of sadness. I can understand that .

This reminds me of our chat where serloco mentioned that crying releases pain and curses from the body. It releases other emotions too - like sadness. NM noted the term pressure in this context. Crying releases pressure. In some sense many things that utilize our energy release pressure. But if one indulges too much in anything that uses our energy, like crying can if it is overdone, it can make one tired. So, yea, the body may react by tiredness to crying, especially if it takes a long time (but not all bodies react the same). Another way how to release sadness is laughter. That one is not as tiring (though it can result in us feeling the stomach area muscles for some days if we laugh really hard and long heh). And it has the side effect of cheering everyone, including ourselves, up - that can be nice too sometimes. Knowing sadness somehow also enables us to have more laughter in our lives because we can cherish good things and be thankful. Both crying and laughter link to our souls (and bodies). Both can be soothing. There is nothing wrong with crying or laughing. Both are good and valuable expressions (and both can be used to express bent things too of course). Indulging is where I would see the crux of the problem. I have come to a stage where if I indulge in say self-pity and cry for a minute or two (I kid you not a minute is all it takes), I feel the effects (which are not nice) of it sometimes for days on my body. I have always used my body as a compass, it tells me what is healthy and what is not. A different type of crying, one out of beauty or pure emotions (not mixed with self-pity and other plagues) does not have the same effect.
DJ suggests a release method of rolling one's eyes. The eyes are indeed a great tool for a sorcerer that can be utilized on many occasions. I would add to that also that energetic movement of the body can also break the spell of sadness.

Do we need to stop or change when we feel sadness and longing? I do not have an answer for you, as in it is situation and person specific. Plus sadness is a pure/raw emotion and there are forms that it can mix with that are forms of sadness - sadness with other layers mixed in and these then have different co-causes and also different co-effects on us. Consider melancholy, loneliness, depression, grief, regret, self-pity, etc. All are compounds and one element of them is sadness.
I would say then that sometimes when we might want to utilize these methods to break sadness is if it takes these less pure forms (in the sense of alchemical purity) and do that in order not to indulge, or if we have not de-bs-ed ourselves enough and can't take the sadness anymore. The way I experienced sadness 20 years ago was so fundamentally different than how I experience it now that it is nothing short of a miracle what this emotion can be like.
To take the example of regret, I find that a warrior does not indulge regret but instead uses his or her energy and will to learn from it and change so that the behavior he would otherwise just regret does not happen. Although these feelings already add a layer to sadness, they still can be transmuted and do the things sadness does for us… if our intent is such. (Am I saying regret is bad? Of course not! All emotions have a purpose, they signal and speak to us. They give us guidance. What I am saying is not to indulge. Take the message and gift of the emotion and move on. If I start to feel regret, I look at it, 'commune' with it /'talk' to it, and learn and change and move forward. It is like a helpful person that one meets on the road. One talks with it, listens to the message they have for us, thanks them, and then moves on taking the message with them but not the messenger. Sometimes we need to stay a bit longer to really hear and understand the purpose of the meeting, that is all good and does not mean one is indulging. Indulging is if one overstays one's welcome and usually has consequences on our well-being and energy levels.
Similarly, we can mention aspects linking to sadness like sorrow and depression. these feelings have a purpose too. Not to be wallowed in but to help us change and grow. To realize things we need to leave behind. Sadness is also natural before changing things. A sorcerer sometimes leaves things behind (objects, beings, hopes, dreams, wishes, opinions, world views, etc. and these can link to the past, present or future) and it is natural if after the decision to do so one feels a bit of sadness. It is a period of transition of preparation for the next stage. It is a saying goodbye and natural. If we have been attached to something in the past and going to sever this attachment then we can mourn for it for a minute before letting it go. And then one moves on. In this sense, sadness helps us activate the change we are striving for. It is the last step of moving forward to a new setting.

Sadness can disarm some people, sometimes in good ways, sometimes not so good - again links to specific people and situations. Although sadness can paralyze some people into wallowing in bs (which is why the process of de-bs-ing is so important), it actually is an emotion that has a very practical function for sorcerers. On more levels.
For one, longing/sadness can drive us to seek out Spirit. But not just that... while we might feel that we become heavy with sadness we can transmute it and actually have it help us rise up. I remember a radio interview in which a shaman spoke on this topic... I will put part of the radio interview below (listen to the song and then the talk links to it, it was a radio talk).
How does one transmute it? Remember that a sorcerer does not really need to know how . It is great and helpful if one knows how, but one can get there without understanding it all too. (How is a question of the mind not intent). But the prerequisites are of course self-work and being able to expand, open up, allow oneself to be carried on the wings of sadness. Sadness and Longing have an inherent link to our soul and spirit. And they lead us into the unknown. They can of course also create pressure and push us forward that way heh. They can foster a love of/for learning and knowledge. They can strengthen it and they can guide it.
DJ told CC that it is natural for sorcerers to feel sadness. That there is sadness floating about in the world (unrelated to specific things in our lives) and we as warriors are more sensitive (having lost many of the typical defenses that ordinary men have) and feel it. DJ links sadness to eternity. To face sadness is to face eternity. Out there, the vast out there. It also links to facing being alone, one surely needs to come to terms with that even if one does not have to be alone. But this is another subject altogether. One can also say that our bodies /minds make sense of eternity by feeling sadness. Transmuting the unknown into something known that can link to it. Eternity and the unknown exert pressure on us, sadness is calmer and more bearable in that sense but still retains qualities of where it comes from / what it links to.

It is not surprising then that sadness links also to silence. Because our mind cannot attach things to it (if we have de-bs-ed ourselves enough), it goes silent. When the sadness comes from eternity not from us to fill it with our personal problems ID… but somehow even then I found I enter silence.
So, yea, it helps me be in the present moment, in silence. It also brings creativity, expressions of song, poetry, etc. It touches the soul and the spirit and sparks creativity.
One more effect that sadness has is something like a softening. Some emotions come along with sharpness/harshness or explosiveness, or other settings, sadness softens. It aids the development of empathy and understanding of other beings around us. It aids in connecting to our surroundings and the many peoples that live on this earth (shamanically speaking: animal people, little people, sky people, etc.). DJ talked of kindness. I totally second that. Sadness fosters kindness.

Moving on, sadness makes me aware of my own greatness. Because I can feel it and it is expansive and I expand with it. If one is strong to withstand it and not look away, it expands… one becomes greatful - grateful .
I link this also to vast bodies of water, ones where the water spans everywhere and to the horizon. Similar with grasslands. Tuvan landscapes omg . Prairies. It has also an expansive feeling and feeling of freedom. Eternity is hidden in many corners of the Earth. Being in these spaces I feel a greatness of Spirit and I feel myself expanding and tasting freedom and greatfulness (gratefulness) in this way too. But of course, I also realize how small I am. How beautifully small and how wonderful that my spirit is not limited to the size of my body . That I can commune with the prairies and the oceans of this world and taste eternity in my sadness as well.

~.~
To better get into the topic of Sadness and Longing: Huun Huur Tu & Angelite - Fly, Fly My Sadness.]]> Both emotions (sadness and longing) share a base of similarities that I want to focus on and therefore I will talk about them together in general.

There were times in my life where the longing/sadness actually hurt. A lot. Now I am of the opinion that the clearer the conduit I am for Spirit (this is a different topic but in short one needs to de-bs oneself as much as possible ), the less hurt I get from strong emotions (for example beauty was another one that mixed with pain). DJ said that warriors cry tears of blood out of sadness. I can understand that .

This reminds me of our chat where serloco mentioned that crying releases pain and curses from the body. It releases other emotions too - like sadness. NM noted the term pressure in this context. Crying releases pressure. In some sense many things that utilize our energy release pressure. But if one indulges too much in anything that uses our energy, like crying can if it is overdone, it can make one tired. So, yea, the body may react by tiredness to crying, especially if it takes a long time (but not all bodies react the same). Another way how to release sadness is laughter. That one is not as tiring (though it can result in us feeling the stomach area muscles for some days if we laugh really hard and long heh). And it has the side effect of cheering everyone, including ourselves, up - that can be nice too sometimes. Knowing sadness somehow also enables us to have more laughter in our lives because we can cherish good things and be thankful. Both crying and laughter link to our souls (and bodies). Both can be soothing. There is nothing wrong with crying or laughing. Both are good and valuable expressions (and both can be used to express bent things too of course). Indulging is where I would see the crux of the problem. I have come to a stage where if I indulge in say self-pity and cry for a minute or two (I kid you not a minute is all it takes), I feel the effects (which are not nice) of it sometimes for days on my body. I have always used my body as a compass, it tells me what is healthy and what is not. A different type of crying, one out of beauty or pure emotions (not mixed with self-pity and other plagues) does not have the same effect.
DJ suggests a release method of rolling one's eyes. The eyes are indeed a great tool for a sorcerer that can be utilized on many occasions. I would add to that also that energetic movement of the body can also break the spell of sadness.

Do we need to stop or change when we feel sadness and longing? I do not have an answer for you, as in it is situation and person specific. Plus sadness is a pure/raw emotion and there are forms that it can mix with that are forms of sadness - sadness with other layers mixed in and these then have different co-causes and also different co-effects on us. Consider melancholy, loneliness, depression, grief, regret, self-pity, etc. All are compounds and one element of them is sadness.
I would say then that sometimes when we might want to utilize these methods to break sadness is if it takes these less pure forms (in the sense of alchemical purity) and do that in order not to indulge, or if we have not de-bs-ed ourselves enough and can't take the sadness anymore. The way I experienced sadness 20 years ago was so fundamentally different than how I experience it now that it is nothing short of a miracle what this emotion can be like.
To take the example of regret, I find that a warrior does not indulge regret but instead uses his or her energy and will to learn from it and change so that the behavior he would otherwise just regret does not happen. Although these feelings already add a layer to sadness, they still can be transmuted and do the things sadness does for us… if our intent is such. (Am I saying regret is bad? Of course not! All emotions have a purpose, they signal and speak to us. They give us guidance. What I am saying is not to indulge. Take the message and gift of the emotion and move on. If I start to feel regret, I look at it, 'commune' with it /'talk' to it, and learn and change and move forward. It is like a helpful person that one meets on the road. One talks with it, listens to the message they have for us, thanks them, and then moves on taking the message with them but not the messenger. Sometimes we need to stay a bit longer to really hear and understand the purpose of the meeting, that is all good and does not mean one is indulging. Indulging is if one overstays one's welcome and usually has consequences on our well-being and energy levels.
Similarly, we can mention aspects linking to sadness like sorrow and depression. these feelings have a purpose too. Not to be wallowed in but to help us change and grow. To realize things we need to leave behind. Sadness is also natural before changing things. A sorcerer sometimes leaves things behind (objects, beings, hopes, dreams, wishes, opinions, world views, etc. and these can link to the past, present or future) and it is natural if after the decision to do so one feels a bit of sadness. It is a period of transition of preparation for the next stage. It is a saying goodbye and natural. If we have been attached to something in the past and going to sever this attachment then we can mourn for it for a minute before letting it go. And then one moves on. In this sense, sadness helps us activate the change we are striving for. It is the last step of moving forward to a new setting.

Sadness can disarm some people, sometimes in good ways, sometimes not so good - again links to specific people and situations. Although sadness can paralyze some people into wallowing in bs (which is why the process of de-bs-ing is so important), it actually is an emotion that has a very practical function for sorcerers. On more levels.
For one, longing/sadness can drive us to seek out Spirit. But not just that... while we might feel that we become heavy with sadness we can transmute it and actually have it help us rise up. I remember a radio interview in which a shaman spoke on this topic... I will put part of the radio interview below (listen to the song and then the talk links to it, it was a radio talk).
How does one transmute it? Remember that a sorcerer does not really need to know how . It is great and helpful if one knows how, but one can get there without understanding it all too. (How is a question of the mind not intent). But the prerequisites are of course self-work and being able to expand, open up, allow oneself to be carried on the wings of sadness. Sadness and Longing have an inherent link to our soul and spirit. And they lead us into the unknown. They can of course also create pressure and push us forward that way heh. They can foster a love of/for learning and knowledge. They can strengthen it and they can guide it.
DJ told CC that it is natural for sorcerers to feel sadness. That there is sadness floating about in the world (unrelated to specific things in our lives) and we as warriors are more sensitive (having lost many of the typical defenses that ordinary men have) and feel it. DJ links sadness to eternity. To face sadness is to face eternity. Out there, the vast out there. It also links to facing being alone, one surely needs to come to terms with that even if one does not have to be alone. But this is another subject altogether. One can also say that our bodies /minds make sense of eternity by feeling sadness. Transmuting the unknown into something known that can link to it. Eternity and the unknown exert pressure on us, sadness is calmer and more bearable in that sense but still retains qualities of where it comes from / what it links to.

It is not surprising then that sadness links also to silence. Because our mind cannot attach things to it (if we have de-bs-ed ourselves enough), it goes silent. When the sadness comes from eternity not from us to fill it with our personal problems ID… but somehow even then I found I enter silence.
So, yea, it helps me be in the present moment, in silence. It also brings creativity, expressions of song, poetry, etc. It touches the soul and the spirit and sparks creativity.
One more effect that sadness has is something like a softening. Some emotions come along with sharpness/harshness or explosiveness, or other settings, sadness softens. It aids the development of empathy and understanding of other beings around us. It aids in connecting to our surroundings and the many peoples that live on this earth (shamanically speaking: animal people, little people, sky people, etc.). DJ talked of kindness. I totally second that. Sadness fosters kindness.

Moving on, sadness makes me aware of my own greatness. Because I can feel it and it is expansive and I expand with it. If one is strong to withstand it and not look away, it expands… one becomes greatful - grateful .
I link this also to vast bodies of water, ones where the water spans everywhere and to the horizon. Similar with grasslands. Tuvan landscapes omg . Prairies. It has also an expansive feeling and feeling of freedom. Eternity is hidden in many corners of the Earth. Being in these spaces I feel a greatness of Spirit and I feel myself expanding and tasting freedom and greatfulness (gratefulness) in this way too. But of course, I also realize how small I am. How beautifully small and how wonderful that my spirit is not limited to the size of my body . That I can commune with the prairies and the oceans of this world and taste eternity in my sadness as well.

~.~
To better get into the topic of Sadness and Longing: Huun Huur Tu & Angelite - Fly, Fly My Sadness.]]>