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An introduction
#1
Hey all,

Pretty excited to find this forum
I guess I'll keep it pretty short.

I started in to spirituality when I was 12, I'm 24 now. Ironically enough my first experiences were mostly revolved around lucid dreaming, which solidified a belief of this reality not being the only one you can experience fully. Mostly for the fact that it blew my mind how real the lucid dreams felt. I could remember them as clear as any awake memory, so different from any regular dreams I've had (which I remembered fuzzy and in pieces). I say ironically because I stopped lucid dreaming in exchange for an obsession with trying to find a "better, stronger way" to achieve what I wanted. The obsession lasted over a decade and by the time I was done I had absorbed every bit of knowledge I could find on the topics of spirituality, shamanism, magic, psychoactives, and grew to have a solid understanding of "spiritual theory".

The cool thing was that every thing eventually fit together like a giant puzzle piece and truth became my best friend. I could see that friend in every religion, every scripture, every story.. For some reason he likes to hang out with a dick named Bull ****, but over the years Truth helped me to ignore that bastard ;D. I'll spare you the details of my studies, attempts, failures and successes. In the end I've learned a lot but am now at a point where every sign pointed to the astral, the lucid, the dream world.

Basically I took over a decade to realize I need to re-learn something I already knew how to do. It's great that I'm a lot better equipped mentally to take this journey then I was when I was 12, but my old techniques of lucid dreaming aren't working for me now lol. Kind of sucks, it was really easy at one point when I was younger, but I have forgotten the feeling of a lucid dream way too much. I used to do reality checks all the time, regular basis, and that worked great since I didn't have much to care for. Now I run a business and support myself and my girlfriend financially, meaning that while I do still dedicate time to my spiritual practice, I get too lost in planning and working to keep doing reality checks.

I'm thinking I need to try a more direct technique than waiting for my mind to accidentally get in to the habit. This time I'll have to intend it to happen.
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#2
p.s. not sure if should make new account without a forum tag on the end or just say ef it. Any opinion on the topic?
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#3
Welcome Osiris If you want the tag not to be displayed (all of ours did till recently), I believe an admin can change that setting as it displays on these forums, you can ask in the admin/mod log and somebody in the know will answer. http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4218/Admi ... 3BtSvldVjs (I believe its a universal site setting (not individual) that might need to be re applied periodically as new people come/join, but dont quote me on that im not actually sure heh. )
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#4
welcome Osiris...
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#5
hi osiris ,
I was reading your intro and how you went to theory and was thinking o-oh , and then you introduced Bull **** .

all the best to your efforts of getting back to lucidity

it is amazing how effortless lucidity could be when we were younger. We just gotta relearn, and de-program ourselves .

welcome to our site

P.S. I made it so that your tag does not appear on this site, but your profile will have it always. Yuku only allows members to sign in through a site, which gives everyone some tag (if you have a .sorcery tag it will not appear on our sorcery site, but if you go on another yuku site you will see it display there). The only way now to remove it is to become a whatever they call it, upgrading your yuku account (by giving them some money) . In the past when I joined this was not so, thus I am without a tag of a specific site. But, everyone has .something. The ones who have no site tags have a user tag which gives them a .u (so, I am watergaze.u), but thankfully the .u is not displayed anywhere, it is just in the profile's html.
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Senear wrote:Welcome Osiris If you want the tag not to be displayed (all of ours did till recently), I believe an admin can change that setting as it displays on these forums, you can ask in the admin/mod log and somebody in the know will answer. http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4218/Admi ... 3BtSvldVjs (I believe its a universal site setting (not individual) that might need to be re applied periodically as new people come/join, but dont quote me on that im not actually sure heh. )
Awesome! Thank you for the tip && the welcome .
Feels pretty good to find a community to chat in. I stumbled on to a board a few days ago and got banned =/ but referred here YAY!
Just to avoid a ban here too, if psychoactive drugs are related to an experience am I allowed to speak freely on the matter? I can filter myself I just wanna know how much xD
shamanka wrote:welcome Osiris...
Thank you ^_^
watergaze wrote:hi osiris ,
I was reading your intro and how you went to theory and was thinking o-oh , and then you introduced Bull **** .
all the best to your efforts of getting back to lucidity

it is amazing how effortless lucidity could be when we were younger. We just gotta relearn, and de-program ourselves .

welcome to our site

P.S. I made it so that your tag does not appear on this site, but your profile will have it always. Yuku only allows members to sign in through a site, which gives everyone some tag (if you have a .sorcery tag it will not appear on our sorcery site, but if you go on another yuku site you will see it display there). The only way now to remove it is to become a whatever they call it, upgrading your yuku account (by giving them some money) . In the past when I joined this was not so, thus I am without a tag of a specific site. But, everyone has .something. The ones who have no site tags have a user tag which gives them a .u (so, I am watergaze.u), but thankfully the .u is not displayed anywhere, it is just in the profile's html.

Thank you Much appreciated for the tag hide .

&& RE: Theory -> LOL, I know what you mean, I try to avoid dogmatic spiritual behaviour. I started searching and learning as much as I could when I was 12, which started off with the lucid dreaming and progressed first to Wicca *facepalm* then quickly realizing the amount of Bull **** territory spanned through countless different things. Over all an extremely confusing time in my life but I learned to trust a tingle that goes up my spine any time I read/learn something worth while. I started to ignore anything that didn't move me in that way and follow anything that did, no matter which direction it lead me.

What I meant in the end by "came to understand spiritual theory" is more so the feeling of the elements, a deeper understanding of the interconnectedness of the inner mind to the universe, and a stronger grasp on the energies that make me tick. I don't claim to understand anything except for how to make myself feel like fire, air, water and earth in my meditations. I learned to see the world not for what is happening on the surface, but to recognize the patterns around me and trying to connect with those energies as deeply as possible. I guess this is why it has all came back to the lucid/astral world for me now... I've learned the basics that get me through the day, make me feel more stable and complete, but reading on to further claims by any one has seemed like giving Bull **** an embrace.

I like a lot of knowledge that many paths have, especially the most basics of them since they all say the same thing, but I don't much fancy the magician's summonings or the kabbalist's obsession with the one God, or a Wiccan's belief their petty spells are the extent of magic. Shamanism has always been a root for myself as I called it. It came to me right after lucid dreaming and wicca, I guess wicca led me to shamanism in a way that I found something more mystifying and complete. Something that pre-dated Bull ****'s obsession with Truth. I didn't have much to go off of though for a long time and continued to find knowledge anywhere I could.

I'm happy that it took me this long to cycle around, along the way I had a decent obsession with some psychoactives like DMT, which in my honest view has given me some experience in altered states of consciousness. I wouldn't trade those experiences for any gold, they showed me the true depths of myself and a taste of the nagual's power. I feel they've made me more prepared for my up coming journey, mostly by teaching me how to remain stable when completely and utterly helpless and at the mercy of forces far greater than myself. Eventually I have come to the conclusion that no substance is my vehicle to what I want to achieve, and the only gate I should be taking is the first gate of dreaming. Every thing lays there, all of it. Every bit of taste I've ever had, any bit of truth that rang in my spine, it all lays behind that gate and the ones behind it.

As I said in my intro.. I basically took 12 years to loop around the same thing. Tried different things until I came to the conclusion that lucid dreaming was my only viable way. Laughed about it a bit then continued my studies and ironically hit upon reading my first Castaneda book... Which made my spine tingles shoot out the wazoo and the crown back and forth until I felt like a vibratory jack hammer ready to rip the fabric of space and time. I listened to a few of his books on audio, read a couple in text, and read the excepts of just Don Juan's words from the ones I didn't end up reading. The final one was The Art of Dreaming and it all started to make sense. Give or take 6 months later I'm here .

YAY LIFE STORY! xD
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#7
"I learned to trust a tingle that goes up my spine any time I read/learn something worth while. I started to ignore anything that didn't move me in that way and follow anything that did, no matter which direction it lead me."

Exactly!!!!! the path of heart
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#8
hey osiris,

I often see also in my own path how I come full circle on something. Similar to what you describe with dreaming. Coming back full circle is pretty interesting.

It is nice to read that you mention and look for stability. Personally I have found that power substances, if used too often/too much, can get one to be somewhat unstable (but have seen also how power substances helped, so I would assume the cases are pretty individual). In general I'd love it if fellow seekers put more stock into being stable . But, I like differences and what other people bring to the table (as long as they are able to put it there squarely, not spill stuff all over heh).

our rules what concerns the talk about taking psychoactive drugs and such... hmmmm... we (have to) go with yuku rules (which I dunno by heart but are easily looked up). Im supposing one should not do illegal stuff, but what concerns power plants that depends on what region you are from and also, who knows where you took them. You might have been in Holland or Latin America or wherever. So I would assume it is ok (but it might be safer if you dont say you grow stuff in regions where it is against the law and similar things) . I am aware that taking psychoactive substances is part of the path for many seekers. We do not ban people here for talking about their experiences of this sort.. (I would also not think this is why you were banned from the nagual site).

what concerns your nickname: considering that you got banned at that site you really have no use for that tag. Might make sense to make a new account since you just started posting on yuku and not much will be affected for you by it. Cause now, wherever you go you will be advertising a site that banned you . And people who look at your profile will always see you associated with that site.
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#9
osirisDJED wrote:Now I run a business and support myself and my girlfriend financially, meaning that while I do still dedicate time to my spiritual practice, I get too lost in planning and working to keep doing reality checks.You should live your whole life as a spiritual practice : )
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#10
Watergaze -> Awesome thank you for letting me know! I'm not 100% sure why I got banned from nagual, but I made the same first two posts as I made on this forum (although this time as you may be able to tell I was a bit more cautious and a bit iffy on sharing fully xD) and both of them got taken down pretty fast. I asked if I could have another chance at the forum, I'll spare the details but they weren't convinced I'm interested enough in nagualism to partake.

I don't feel too much at a loss though, this forum has brought lots of joy to me already . I'm happy I get the chance to explore here and get to know the people.

Littlepaw -> I always do, my business ethics are based around my spiritual self, but when I'm wrapped up writing code for sometimes 12 hours at a time I'm not always fully aware to do a reality check. My attention stays pretty focused on the task at hand so my old techniques aren't working too well. That's alright though, every thing in it's due time.
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#11
You write code, cool!! I started learning recently and wrote a computer game with apples and bananas that bounce around the screen, then I realized how much time will be required to write something good OOO Kudos to you for putting in the hours : )
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#12
thank you I started off just doing web sites and eventually moved in to more and more difficult logic. I like it as brain exercise lol, and definitely love it as a job
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#13
Switched to new account to avoid forum tag across all yuku sites
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#14
Howdy Kan, welcome to the Nagual Forums.
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#15
Yes Welcome to the Nagual Forums
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