Scout1

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Note: Scout1 was banned from these forums for rude posts and spamming the forums. Being banned here is not something done here on a regular basis. Any member who openly and publicly attacks another member will be removed as a member of these forums.-NLW

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Unbanned toady.Welcome back Scout!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Scout1 and his aliases has been permemently banned from these forums.

[seesaw]

scout 1 seems to have returned under the alias unclesam. sustained reaction.



Scout1 was the reason i left this site. Their input just filled the place with **** i had no desire to read.

Im sure im not the only one who responds to such crappy posts by leaving here.



I came back here, posted once and my input then received 5 responses in a row by this person.



Moderator required.

[watergaze]

I agree that moderation is needed here.
I now have the buttons to help out with this site, so be assured some order will be kept. change will not happen over night though and also please notify me in pm or in support forums about concrete things, for example what discussion is being led astray..

edit: so far i see unclesam posting in two threads, both made by scout1. But since people are responding to his posts I am not sure what he says is unwelcome, also it is his thread. Honestly, if you dont like to deal with this type of talking dont go into those threads
Also, consider joining the private section if you are up for some dream writing now and then. it has a very different ambience, feel and order. I have been a mod there for some time now. Honestly, with the way i saw wolf managing the general site I am unsure what measures I should take to keep his style but not feel that the general part of this forum is somewhat chaotic .

[delawaredan]

Thank you WG.    I do not think the current posts by uncle same are in the same category as Scout.   There has been some reason and understanding in his response to others.   Scout never acted in this way, in a way of politeness or acceptance of others views.    I could be wrong, but I do not think uncle same is Scout, unless Scout has matured some.      But if it is a stalking Scout, he has not matured.   He would need to act impeccably and admit who he really is....has anyone asked him directly?

[Uncle Sam]

scout ? r u frickin kidding me. i am not scout ! i am nagual.

[quantumshaman]

delawaredan wrote:
Thank you WG.    I do not think the current posts by uncle same are in the same category as Scout.   There has been some reason and understanding in his response to others.   Scout never acted in this way, in a way of politeness or acceptance of others views.    I could be wrong, but I do not think uncle same is Scout, unless Scout has matured some.      But if it is a stalking Scout, he has not matured.   He would need to act impeccably and admit who he really is....has anyone asked him directly?  It is Scout 1.  100% certainty.
FWIW, it's not *just* the content of the posts.  It's the volumes, which is what seesaw was saying.  When someone feels compelled to post 10+ posts per day as if hammering one's message into the fabric of the forum, something needs to be addressed at a moderator level.  At one point, NLW had restricted Scout1 to 3 posts per day.  That seems reasonable.  Otherwise, the forum gets flooded and we lose folks who just don't want to wade through the droppings.
QS

[watergaze]

yes. the trouble with some parts of the site is that you cannot edit a post, so then if you want to add something you need to write another post. The solution to this is not necessarily to give the edit function to people, we know why wolf removed it in the first place and even in the last week i saw people deleting and also editing out their posts in those parts of the site that allow it.

We are working on changes to the site right now and hopefully it will be soon seen here too. But I dont mean to jump the gun, or how that saying goes, so before we put it all together, as in see how this and that links to whatever are the ideas about change, it will not be put into practice and once it is it will still be a sort of working version on which feedback from user will very much be desired. Even at this point suggestions on how to go about managing this site can be very helpful. For example:

do you guys want to have the option to edit and delete your posts? i guess you do , so the next question would be if you find it disruptive if people edit out/change or delete their posts from an ongoing discussion. Sadly, once we give people these options they are misusing it. So the real question is: Do you want people to have edit and delete buttons even when they are going to be misusing them?
I am looking into having the general setting on no edit no delete for all forums but one (which will be like a haven for these 'stalkers' - i do not like that this is the term they like to describe what they are doing, because imo that is not stalking) and then, if possible, change the 'rights' of some members that have proven to be intelligent and consistent in the way they post and have been coming to this site long enough for this to show. But I do not know yet how that can work, if it can. But I am saying that even if this will prove to be some more work i would be willing to do it, if yuku gives that option.

Sadly, doing this will not change scout1's access. what I am thinking of doing there is edit the posts of these users when needed and yes, put a cap on their posting limit. Right now, since seesaw pointed this issue out, unclesam is being observed . If anyone sees any inappropriate behavior now please notify me/us in the support forum or by pm, and inappropriate i mean on any level, even too many posts in a short time etc. I do wish people would think more before posting and use the preview button...

One other thing that might change is the index layout. I find it pretty confusing that we have CC: The Teaching's of Don Juan and then we have New Seers and then we have Modern Nagualism. I mean what is the difference between CCJ part of the forum and New Seers? and between New Seers and Modern Nagualism? It seems to be left to the intuition to each user.Why is a not doing thread posted in New Seers as opposed in the CCJ part? I do see a reason, but just cause I look for it . Why is rosy's Picture thread in Mastering Awareness? If there is a logic there I dont see it (when looking at the type of posts in that part of this site it does not seem to fit with rosy's thread). But before we start moving stuff around, we need to have clear sections or users will be faced with the same problem and nothing would be changed in a more permanent fashion it would just create more chaos.

So, similarly with everything else, before we start banning people or limiting them on posting we can give them other options to hopefully take care of the issue, and once those dont work we will move on to limiting them by force. I can say this now because uncle sam is not spamming the site, he is interested in about 4 threads and that is doable I think until we figure stuff out. But like I said, if it disturbs anyone what he or anyone else is doing right now you need to inform us so we know how urgently people need this to be dealt with and then we will. I know that scout1 has become uncontrollable in the past and he was banned and limited, right now this is not repeating, not yet anyway. But if we know what irritates people then we will know how to go about setting the rules and guidelines that shall be posted in the introduction section of this site and which will be expected to be followed by every member of this site. This will make it much easier on everyone because it will be clear when the rules are not followed that it will have some repercussions.


A question I have for you all is also if you want to allow the same person to come and post under different nicknames. Of course this cannot be controlled by moderators due to proxies (but if a person posts with a different ip each time then it is obvious) or people living in more places and actually consistently using different ip addresses for different accounts, but we can inform members that we do not appreciate this type of identity switches and that they are expected to inform us if switching nicknames for whatever reason. But id like to know the position of our members on this before stating something like that, many value their anonymity and when they feel that a certain nick has become associated with some perceptions that they want to have a new identity. I have my personal opinion on that, which is clear by what i write here, but i would not push it onto all of this site if that is not the feeling of the majority of stable members. In order to find out the members' point of view on this I will make a thread, maybe a poll, here in the support section. However, all of this will not be happening very fast because at this point in time I am pressed to finish things in my personal life. I did not plan to make site changes until end of february at least, but due to the voices here in this thread I have started on it now and hopefully the results will come in the next week or so after hearing some of the voices of active members of this site.

I started my 'term of office' with making some stuff happen in the private part of this site, which is imo the most important for the stable active members here and not visible to you all, so it might seem that nothing is happening.. but that is not the case.

I would not have written this post informing you of things being cooked had seesaw and quantum shaman not made these posts, even though things have been already in the cooking pot, so to speak. I prefer to go directly to doing stuff instead of talking about doing stuff . And so i dont like to say i am thinking on how to go about all this when i dont have too much to show for it yet . But I hope this post can reassure you that you are not on your own with wanting some changes and that people who can make stuff happen are doing more than listening. I also appreciate these posts very much, because I need to know what the wishes of members are in order to make this site better for you. Also, I prefer a discussion or a time to think on stuff before I throw changes at people, so look to this part of the site for new threads for example on how to divide the site into sections or the policy of various nicknames or excessive posting into one thread and all that. I will post a draft of the rules and guidelines here for discussion, revision and consideration etc.

[quantumshaman]

Watergaze...
Thanks for the input. I think it's really pretty simple.  If someone is being inappropriately "verbose" under ANY nickname, ban them by their IP. Won't stop them from taking up a new nickname from another computer, but may slow them down.
One of the 4 agreements that I happen to agree with (heh) is "Be impeccable with your word."  If someone can't make a concise post to present their point of view, they aren't being impeccable with their word. That's what I was constantly talking to Scout 1 about in PMs and on the body of the forum as well.  If it takes someone 10 posts to say what needed to be said in 1... something's wrong with the poster, and no amount of moderation is going to fix that. Maybe medication.

[watergaze]

yes, sadly many of the people interested in these topics are weird (looks around, cough cough), so if we eliminate weird posting we will have a half empty site. Which, mind you, I would not mind in the least, bettter to have 2 discussions in 2 weeks than a zillion chaotic ones that dont make sense. Although I do not appreciate this kind of posting at all, since I see people answering to such post i am thinking maybe its me and i dont want to take the discussion away from other people. Now if no one was answering or engaging in conversation then it would be pretty straight forward.


Also, did you notice the option that you can hide a specific user's post? That way if someone is getting on your nerves you can just be oblivious to their existence. kind of hard core, i almost used it once , but then took care of things by just not visiting the few specific threads (and the user didnt post elsewhere).


I have found that yuku does not give the option to have members on different levels of access to buttons/options, so i cannot make it that some 'normal' users can edit and delete their posts and others cannot.

the place where unclesam is posting a few posts a day (and it is around 3 or so per thread, not more) is a place where he cannot edit his posts.. 2-3 posts in one thread in one day is that too much? in general no, i would say it depends on the posts or on the discussion - as in if there is one or is the poster just talking to themselves .

If unclesam posts more than two posts in succession during a day in one thread from here on, i will put a cap limit on his posting, and also on any other nickname he comes here with in the future while I am mod. I do not like the way yuku changed the time settings and cant really change it back, meaning i can see a post was made a day ago and dont know if there is 20 hours of time in between, which i find to be of interest in cases such as these.

[delawaredan]

I think that that we should not allow people to edit, leave it the way it is.   I agree with QS as to banning people who are spamming threads.    Also, if we can verify that a certain memeber is Scout, that person should be banned, regardless of the name.   NLW gave Scout many chances.   It is ridiculous for him to "stalk" us with different names.   Very immature.....

Thank you for all of your efforts WG!

[watergaze]

I hear you, seesaw, qs, dan.. I am now overseeing his behavior and since i am new here it is like a new leaf in a sense, so i decided to extend that new leaf to scout1 too (at least until that seems reasonable based on his current behavior). Also the important thing is that he is not running amok and that someone is here if he 'looses it' to take care of the mess. If more people wrote into this thread saying they find his input disruptive I might consider taking stronger action against him, so we can wait and see on that.

Interesting to me is that no one complains about rosy spamming, he replies to himself pretty often and he uses big font and makes posts like this one and the three following it:
http://sorcery.yuku.com/reply/71631/TEN ... eply-71631

I do not wish to ban or cap one user when another is going by doing a similar thing. we value rosy's input here even though sometimes we see him doing stuff like this. it is similar with scout, sometimes he makes an interesting post and then edits it into oblivion or makes it unbearable by making the font super large adding a zillion quotes and well you know what I am talking about..

I am checking the recent threads, looking at scout's posting. In the time since I started doing that he has behaved himself in terms of answers in a row during a day. But let me add that in one place he has 3 replies and not two, i let that slide because there was one reply and after 10 hours a second and then in an hour a third which was a specific reply to a user. I notice people like to make a different post to reply to different users, not put it all into one long post and because of that (and the time difference between the first and the other two) I thought we can live with that. But I hope scout will be careful, because if he does that more often it might become disruptive and be included into the post limit i gave him.

Also, a thing to keep in mind is that I will not be cleaning up all the old threads, but focus on new threads made after i took an active role here, because that is where the new energy goes. So concerning threads like tensegrity, i wouldnt even know where to start on that... .

P.S. If you see him (or anyone else) overstepping somewhere you can drop me a note here or via pm

[seesaw]

Naghual Human is now doing exactly the same thing as scout did, as uncle sam did, is prob the same person as all of these previous user names. There is no point in posting anything on the open forum because it will just get tagged with their ****, endlessly, repetitively. It makes the open forum into a pile of junk. The place looks like a loony tunes open madhouse. Id like them controlled or banned.
Please note NLW's opening comments on this thread.

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