Can immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

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[Julio Juliopolis]

rosygyro wrote:
Fairly Simple question.
"Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

Recapitulation is the energetic aligning of the whole life force
with the element of time within the sorcerers world.
In the case of recapitulation it is done as a deliberate retrospective.
the purpose of this is to isolate "sticky patches" of energetic attachment in personal history
so as to identify their relative "social conditionings" as they manifest in the present.
these social conditionings can be "unstuck" using "not doing".

the question "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
is formed by questioning the notion that the "present" of a person who has successfully
completed a degree of recapitulation is "charged"
and that that charge can environmentally effect the perception of those relative to such a person in the present.

WE know that people with "photographic memories" don't seem to have the accidental
gift of remember to pass on to those around them.
If anything photographic memories seem to polarize with  the concsiousness of others.
and do not instill greater remember ability in those minds around them.
Recapitulation is a deeper energy system
in that all it identifies as "sticky patches"
tend to be very human concerns which many people
of the human condition share.

1) "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
2) " If a person has recapitulated well in life leaves this corporeal (or will one day leave this corporeal)
then does their collapsing form (or its potential) instill or empower the perseption of "sticky patches"
in others as an "external force" (unlike the isolated characteristics of photographic memory)?

3) Is it possible that the "sticky patches" of those who are leaving warzones as refugees  and spreading accross europe.
100,000s people whos sticky patches based on trauma and attrocity can be disempowered in terms of repeat manifestation.

4) is there any mandate that says the civilised should have priority in manifestation over the barbaric.
(other than the need for our planet to survive).

5) If a people developed in a world where children can be married, should there be a sense applied to 
how their innate recapitulation and indeed manifestation of unresolved social conditioning can apply itself
in surroundings where such cultural norms are not the norm but "attrocity"? 

6) Fame



Good questions there rosy. I'll share my perspective, which is most likely flawed. 
1 - Yes and no. I believe the energy body is formed automatically when one has enough energy to do so. Some of this energy can be gotten by recap, but that might not even be necessary. Also, I'd advise against thinking of this as a sort of marker on your recap work. If you can't create an energy body now and you start recapping eventually you will have one, but it's just a matter of having more energy and doesn't reflect how far along you are on your recap.

2 - What you perceive is a matter of stalking. If you stalk a perception of the "sticky patches" as external that's how you'll see them, or you can do the opposite and see them as internal. Best is to recap fully and eliminate them though imho.

3 - There's probably much easier ways of dealing with the energetic residue of trauma/atrocities. Repetition does tend to diminish emotional reactions though.

4 - Who would have the authority to create such a mandate? What do you consider civilized and what barbaric? Why would one of these rule sets have more of a "mandate to manifest" than another?

5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 

6 - Fame, I'm gonna live forever. I'm gonna learn how to fly, high! I feel it coming together, people will see me and cry, fame!  Fame is an interesting challenge from a sorceric perspective. It brings attention and thus energy. It also brings others collective belief systems which you must then contend with. That's aside from the ego-issues fame can cause. My suggestion is to avoid becoming famous if you can't be impeccable with it.

Anyone else want to chime in?

[find dharma girl]

Fairly Simple question."Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

   I answered,"Yes," but would stipulate that impeccable recap can only occur if one has impeccability in their detachment acumen.  You have to know detachment and the WORK of awareness.  WORK is at the top of the pyramid.  I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery.  This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.  This work brings subjectivity to bear objectively on whatever manifestations are called for.  Detachment is the aspect of creating space to have clarity about what the work is.  Detachment concerning work has an introspective aspect that celibrates the quality of the work itself and involves the personal vision.  Work (work of awareness) is the substance of sorcery and life itself.

[rosygyro]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:


5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 


I think it may even be a case of "implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "known" is considered "unknown".
We believe that the known is an individuals enemy of being able to percieve the unknown.. (in greater degrees we call this sobriety)
In our own lives our accumulated expectation and conditioning (known) is a blunt club that flattens anything subtle and new.
even if our known be the tricks of fluidity, we will use it to inhabit a system that is inviolate and as such blinded.

My worry in the case of refugees from attrocity and war is that it is their known social conditioning and experience.
yet when the comparitve internal and external environment is aligned it does not match their surroundings.
For the average rat race european human the refugees of war are arriving on the crest of experience they themselves cannot hope to percieve
in terms of own known accord.

The way i see it this creates a pressure, where the average "civilised" european has vast areas of unclaimed power in the fringe expereinces of war, attrocity and death.
whilst the new arrivals have an unforeborne "known" of war attrocity and death.
neither human needs further war, attrocity and death
but the pressure trend keeps it into manifestation.

In terms of the manifestation of personal challenge
i see that the refugees have a clear route to inspiring events to deeper deconstruct their known social conditioning
but that those inexpereinced in attrocity have a dangerous gap in their inexpereince
thus allowing the manifestation of further war
more readily than initiating self subjective psychotherapy for the war damaged.

If there is indeed an internalisation of recapitulation
and indeed if there are sticky patches.

then i wish to know wether there are generic traits of recapitulation
that can be engineered to serve both parties.

ultimatley serving all parties.

.......

[find dharma girl]

rosygyro: then i wish to know whether there are generic traits of recapitulationthat can be engineered to serve both parties {abusive and abused}.

Only in the sense that the recapper unto sorcerer CHOOSES to engineer those traits to serve 'another.' I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. Personally, I have CHOSEN to have no interest to engineer such an outcome. I want nothing to do with the other party.

----

WORK is at the top of the pyramid. I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery. This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.

To clarify, WORK is not necessarily manifest activity. Most of the WORK is spiritual activity or not-doing. Much of this entails the forebearance you speak about, rosygyro, and not mistaking what is impeccablity for the blunder of a fool.


----
I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. LOL---> TRUE!!

Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with. An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down.

I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor. Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP. You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

---
(edit by sorcery: merged 3 short posts into 1)

[find dharma girl]

WORK is at the top of the pyramid.  I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery.  This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.

To clarify, WORK is not necessarily manifest activity.  Most of the WORK is spiritual activity or not-doing.  Much of this entails the forebearance you speak about, rosygyro, and not mistaking what is impeccablity for the blunder of a fool.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to be the fool does not absolve one from being the fool, ****.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

[find dharma girl]

As I could not do so here, I went to word pad and typed in ****, one hundred and one times, lest I could ever forget


IN CAPITAl LETTERS!

to be erased shortly

[find dharma girl]

AND---- THIS most definitely will be erased shortly

[url=

[Julio Juliopolis]

rosygyro wrote:
Fairly Simple question.
"Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

Recapitulation is the energetic aligning of the whole life force
with the element of time within the sorcerers world.
In the case of recapitulation it is done as a deliberate retrospective.
the purpose of this is to isolate "sticky patches" of energetic attachment in personal history
so as to identify their relative "social conditionings" as they manifest in the present.
these social conditionings can be "unstuck" using "not doing".

the question "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
is formed by questioning the notion that the "present" of a person who has successfully
completed a degree of recapitulation is "charged"
and that that charge can environmentally effect the perception of those relative to such a person in the present.

WE know that people with "photographic memories" don't seem to have the accidental
gift of remember to pass on to those around them.
If anything photographic memories seem to polarize with  the concsiousness of others.
and do not instill greater remember ability in those minds around them.
Recapitulation is a deeper energy system
in that all it identifies as "sticky patches"
tend to be very human concerns which many people
of the human condition share.

1) "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
2) " If a person has recapitulated well in life leaves this corporeal (or will one day leave this corporeal)
then does their collapsing form (or its potential) instill or empower the perseption of "sticky patches"
in others as an "external force" (unlike the isolated characteristics of photographic memory)?

3) Is it possible that the "sticky patches" of those who are leaving warzones as refugees  and spreading accross europe.
100,000s people whos sticky patches based on trauma and attrocity can be disempowered in terms of repeat manifestation.

4) is there any mandate that says the civilised should have priority in manifestation over the barbaric.
(other than the need for our planet to survive).

5) If a people developed in a world where children can be married, should there be a sense applied to 
how their innate recapitulation and indeed manifestation of unresolved social conditioning can apply itself
in surroundings where such cultural norms are not the norm but "attrocity"? 

6) Fame



Good questions there rosy. I'll share my perspective, which is most likely flawed. 
1 - Yes and no. I believe the energy body is formed automatically when one has enough energy to do so. Some of this energy can be gotten by recap, but that might not even be necessary. Also, I'd advise against thinking of this as a sort of marker on your recap work. If you can't create an energy body now and you start recapping eventually you will have one, but it's just a matter of having more energy and doesn't reflect how far along you are on your recap.

2 - What you perceive is a matter of stalking. If you stalk a perception of the "sticky patches" as external that's how you'll see them, or you can do the opposite and see them as internal. Best is to recap fully and eliminate them though imho.

3 - There's probably much easier ways of dealing with the energetic residue of trauma/atrocities. Repetition does tend to diminish emotional reactions though.

4 - Who would have the authority to create such a mandate? What do you consider civilized and what barbaric? Why would one of these rule sets have more of a "mandate to manifest" than another?

5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 

6 - Fame, I'm gonna live forever. I'm gonna learn how to fly, high! I feel it coming together, people will see me and cry, fame!  Fame is an interesting challenge from a sorceric perspective. It brings attention and thus energy. It also brings others collective belief systems which you must then contend with. That's aside from the ego-issues fame can cause. My suggestion is to avoid becoming famous if you can't be impeccable with it.

Anyone else want to chime in?

[find dharma girl]

Fairly Simple question."Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

   I answered,"Yes," but would stipulate that impeccable recap can only occur if one has impeccability in their detachment acumen.  You have to know detachment and the WORK of awareness.  WORK is at the top of the pyramid.  I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery.  This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.  This work brings subjectivity to bear objectively on whatever manifestations are called for.  Detachment is the aspect of creating space to have clarity about what the work is.  Detachment concerning work has an introspective aspect that celibrates the quality of the work itself and involves the personal vision.  Work (work of awareness) is the substance of sorcery and life itself.

[rosygyro]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:


5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 


I think it may even be a case of "implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "known" is considered "unknown".
We believe that the known is an individuals enemy of being able to percieve the unknown.. (in greater degrees we call this sobriety)
In our own lives our accumulated expectation and conditioning (known) is a blunt club that flattens anything subtle and new.
even if our known be the tricks of fluidity, we will use it to inhabit a system that is inviolate and as such blinded.

My worry in the case of refugees from attrocity and war is that it is their known social conditioning and experience.
yet when the comparitve internal and external environment is aligned it does not match their surroundings.
For the average rat race european human the refugees of war are arriving on the crest of experience they themselves cannot hope to percieve
in terms of own known accord.

The way i see it this creates a pressure, where the average "civilised" european has vast areas of unclaimed power in the fringe expereinces of war, attrocity and death.
whilst the new arrivals have an unforeborne "known" of war attrocity and death.
neither human needs further war, attrocity and death
but the pressure trend keeps it into manifestation.

In terms of the manifestation of personal challenge
i see that the refugees have a clear route to inspiring events to deeper deconstruct their known social conditioning
but that those inexpereinced in attrocity have a dangerous gap in their inexpereince
thus allowing the manifestation of further war
more readily than initiating self subjective psychotherapy for the war damaged.

If there is indeed an internalisation of recapitulation
and indeed if there are sticky patches.

then i wish to know wether there are generic traits of recapitulation
that can be engineered to serve both parties.

ultimatley serving all parties.

.......

[find dharma girl]

rosygyro: then i wish to know whether there are generic traits of recapitulationthat can be engineered to serve both parties {abusive and abused}.

Only in the sense that the recapper unto sorcerer CHOOSES to engineer those traits to serve 'another.' I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. Personally, I have CHOSEN to have no interest to engineer such an outcome. I want nothing to do with the other party.

----

WORK is at the top of the pyramid. I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery. This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.

To clarify, WORK is not necessarily manifest activity. Most of the WORK is spiritual activity or not-doing. Much of this entails the forebearance you speak about, rosygyro, and not mistaking what is impeccablity for the blunder of a fool.


----
I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. LOL---> TRUE!!

Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with. An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down.

I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor. Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP. You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

---
(edit by sorcery: merged 3 short posts into 1)

[find dharma girl]

WORK is at the top of the pyramid.  I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery.  This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.

To clarify, WORK is not necessarily manifest activity.  Most of the WORK is spiritual activity or not-doing.  Much of this entails the forebearance you speak about, rosygyro, and not mistaking what is impeccablity for the blunder of a fool.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to be the fool does not absolve one from being the fool, ****.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

[find dharma girl]

I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful.   LOL---> TRUE!!


Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with.  An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down. 

   I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor.  Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP.  You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

[find dharma girl]

As I could not do so here, I went to word pad and typed in ****, one hundred and one times, lest I could ever forget


IN CAPITAl LETTERS!

to be erased shortly

[find dharma girl]

AND---- THIS most definitely will be erased shortly

[url=

[Julio Juliopolis]

rosygyro wrote:
Fairly Simple question.
"Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

Recapitulation is the energetic aligning of the whole life force
with the element of time within the sorcerers world.
In the case of recapitulation it is done as a deliberate retrospective.
the purpose of this is to isolate "sticky patches" of energetic attachment in personal history
so as to identify their relative "social conditionings" as they manifest in the present.
these social conditionings can be "unstuck" using "not doing".

the question "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
is formed by questioning the notion that the "present" of a person who has successfully
completed a degree of recapitulation is "charged"
and that that charge can environmentally effect the perception of those relative to such a person in the present.

WE know that people with "photographic memories" don't seem to have the accidental
gift of remember to pass on to those around them.
If anything photographic memories seem to polarize with  the concsiousness of others.
and do not instill greater remember ability in those minds around them.
Recapitulation is a deeper energy system
in that all it identifies as "sticky patches"
tend to be very human concerns which many people
of the human condition share.

1) "Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?
2) " If a person has recapitulated well in life leaves this corporeal (or will one day leave this corporeal)
then does their collapsing form (or its potential) instill or empower the perseption of "sticky patches"
in others as an "external force" (unlike the isolated characteristics of photographic memory)?

3) Is it possible that the "sticky patches" of those who are leaving warzones as refugees  and spreading accross europe.
100,000s people whos sticky patches based on trauma and attrocity can be disempowered in terms of repeat manifestation.

4) is there any mandate that says the civilised should have priority in manifestation over the barbaric.
(other than the need for our planet to survive).

5) If a people developed in a world where children can be married, should there be a sense applied to 
how their innate recapitulation and indeed manifestation of unresolved social conditioning can apply itself
in surroundings where such cultural norms are not the norm but "attrocity"? 

6) Fame



Good questions there rosy. I'll share my perspective, which is most likely flawed. 
1 - Yes and no. I believe the energy body is formed automatically when one has enough energy to do so. Some of this energy can be gotten by recap, but that might not even be necessary. Also, I'd advise against thinking of this as a sort of marker on your recap work. If you can't create an energy body now and you start recapping eventually you will have one, but it's just a matter of having more energy and doesn't reflect how far along you are on your recap.

2 - What you perceive is a matter of stalking. If you stalk a perception of the "sticky patches" as external that's how you'll see them, or you can do the opposite and see them as internal. Best is to recap fully and eliminate them though imho.

3 - There's probably much easier ways of dealing with the energetic residue of trauma/atrocities. Repetition does tend to diminish emotional reactions though.

4 - Who would have the authority to create such a mandate? What do you consider civilized and what barbaric? Why would one of these rule sets have more of a "mandate to manifest" than another?

5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 

6 - Fame, I'm gonna live forever. I'm gonna learn how to fly, high! I feel it coming together, people will see me and cry, fame!  Fame is an interesting challenge from a sorceric perspective. It brings attention and thus energy. It also brings others collective belief systems which you must then contend with. That's aside from the ego-issues fame can cause. My suggestion is to avoid becoming famous if you can't be impeccable with it.

Anyone else want to chime in?

[find dharma girl]

Fairly Simple question."Can Immpeccable Recapitulation create a sorceric energy body?

   I answered,"Yes," but would stipulate that impeccable recap can only occur if one has impeccability in their detachment acumen.  You have to know detachment and the WORK of awareness.  WORK is at the top of the pyramid.  I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery.  This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.  This work brings subjectivity to bear objectively on whatever manifestations are called for.  Detachment is the aspect of creating space to have clarity about what the work is.  Detachment concerning work has an introspective aspect that celibrates the quality of the work itself and involves the personal vision.  Work (work of awareness) is the substance of sorcery and life itself.

[rosygyro]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:


5 - You're asking about the implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "normal" is considered abominable. Specifically, you're asking how it affects recapitulation, (unless I've misunderstood you). During recap, you should not be judging what you see but an impassive observer. You want to see how the events shaped you at the time, the emotions, the decisions you made because of them, etc. You want to undo all of that. Judging events again, this time from a view of a member of a society that considers what you once thought normal abominable is sort of the opposite of recap. 


I think it may even be a case of "implications of moving into a society in which what you grew up with as "known" is considered "unknown".
We believe that the known is an individuals enemy of being able to percieve the unknown.. (in greater degrees we call this sobriety)
In our own lives our accumulated expectation and conditioning (known) is a blunt club that flattens anything subtle and new.
even if our known be the tricks of fluidity, we will use it to inhabit a system that is inviolate and as such blinded.

My worry in the case of refugees from attrocity and war is that it is their known social conditioning and experience.
yet when the comparitve internal and external environment is aligned it does not match their surroundings.
For the average rat race european human the refugees of war are arriving on the crest of experience they themselves cannot hope to percieve
in terms of own known accord.

The way i see it this creates a pressure, where the average "civilised" european has vast areas of unclaimed power in the fringe expereinces of war, attrocity and death.
whilst the new arrivals have an unforeborne "known" of war attrocity and death.
neither human needs further war, attrocity and death
but the pressure trend keeps it into manifestation.

In terms of the manifestation of personal challenge
i see that the refugees have a clear route to inspiring events to deeper deconstruct their known social conditioning
but that those inexpereinced in attrocity have a dangerous gap in their inexpereince
thus allowing the manifestation of further war
more readily than initiating self subjective psychotherapy for the war damaged.

If there is indeed an internalisation of recapitulation
and indeed if there are sticky patches.

then i wish to know wether there are generic traits of recapitulation
that can be engineered to serve both parties.

ultimatley serving all parties.

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[find dharma girl]

rosygyro: then i wish to know whether there are generic traits of recapitulationthat can be engineered to serve both parties {abusive and abused}.

Only in the sense that the recapper unto sorcerer CHOOSES to engineer those traits to serve 'another.' I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. Personally, I have CHOSEN to have no interest to engineer such an outcome. I want nothing to do with the other party.

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WORK is at the top of the pyramid. I do not mean a job, but rather the occupation with vision via learning self mastery. This involves actions derived from right direction and right thinking.

To clarify, WORK is not necessarily manifest activity. Most of the WORK is spiritual activity or not-doing. Much of this entails the forebearance you speak about, rosygyro, and not mistaking what is impeccablity for the blunder of a fool.


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I know exactly the generic trait of recap that is most profoundly powerful. LOL---> TRUE!!

Understand, that if you are recapping and not being blown away recovering 'lost' energies, you are likely just going upstairs to your attic, opening the cedar chest and bringing down more junk to deal with. An analogy of successful recap would be to get ALL of your baggage and memorable belongings, and put them in a bonfire while not being afraid to burn the house down.

I set out to be consumed, but in the end I realized empirically, spiritually and everywitchway.. I AM the FIRE, and this is powerful in that I AM essentially the omniscient actor. Specifically [the generic trait here], I AM on TOP. You are irelevant if not tiny and weak.

In my world, not wanting to play the fool does not absolve you from being the fool.

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(edit by sorcery: merged 3 short posts into 1)