Unbending intent versus being stubborn, willfull and ignorant.

[Le_Regard]

serloco wrote:
You see we have two categories on THIS planet's thread. The ones with unbending INTENT, and then we have the stubborn and ignorant. 

I can see that.  And I really must take a very firm line on if your INTENT is so unbending you fail to notice that you have no other useful skills, your body is a burden on both yourself and society, but you're ok with letting the peasants go on growing your food for you, and the servants going on cooking it, and you give them nothing back in return except your own sense of entitlement and a lecture on how they should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and been more like you, then you're probably doing it wrong.

[Pixie Dust]

Only the religious take communication so literally.  Only a fool would take Serloco literally.  His beauty is beyond the skin.  He's speaking to a much deeper truth but is humble enough not to point it out.

I'm not humble so I'll shed some light: like the Bible, Serloco speaks to the figurative truth.

[serloco]

Oh you would like my skin too sexy..

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
Oh you would like my skin too sexy..

[Le_Regard]

serloco wrote:
You are wrong. Wheat grows because wheat intends to grow, so do the formers who grow it intend for it to grow. We have knowledge of the wheat, and that knowledge  is intended into formation. That is not to say this knowledge can not be modified. Because it can. My trees grow super fast because I do magic on them. New branches can take 5 seconds to grow on them. That is because I intend for it to be so with my specialised "out of this world" knowledge. 

It seems to me like if you take this a few steps further, you would be saying that wheat INTENDED to be domesticated, genetically engineered by Monsanto, sprayed with pesticides, sold to food companies, distributed in trucks, and then eaten by people.

Or that deer have no higher purpose or self will and are just hanging around waiting to be eaten by jaguars, but that's ok, because we're the jaguars.  Deer should think positive and INTEND to be jaguars.  Problem solved.

Oh... but then there'd be no deer, so the jaguar would have to...  INTEND some?

[serloco]

Le_Regard wrote:
serloco wrote:
You are wrong. Wheat grows because wheat intends to grow, so do the formers who grow it intend for it to grow. We have knowledge of the wheat, and that knowledge  is intended into formation. That is not to say this knowledge can not be modified. Because it can. My trees grow super fast because I do magic on them. New branches can take 5 seconds to grow on them. That is because I intend for it to be so with my specialised "out of this world" knowledge. 

It seems to me like if you take this a few steps further, you would be saying that wheat INTENDED to be domesticated, genetically engineered by Monsanto, sprayed with pesticides, sold to food companies, distributed in trucks, and then eaten by people.

Or that deer have no higher purpose or self will and are just hanging around waiting to be eaten by jaguars, but that's ok, because we're the jaguars.  Deer should think positive and INTEND to be jaguars.  Problem solved.

Wheat is a harvested crop, there is no harm in eating it. It is there to be eaten at the END of its life cycle. 

We have a food chain, power levels of intent/will. Human's are at the top. We are more powerful willed then deer and plants. Personally I work with the will of plants and trees and teach them how to be more powerful. Animals too. In my eyes they are my equals. My friends.

[Le_Regard]

serloco wrote:
You are wrong. Wheat grows because wheat intends to grow, so do the formers who grow it intend for it to grow. We have knowledge of the wheat, and that knowledge  is intended into formation. That is not to say this knowledge can not be modified. Because it can. My trees grow super fast because I do magic on them. New branches can take 5 seconds to grow on them. That is because I intend for it to be so with my specialised "out of this world" knowledge. 

This is an aside...  but I may I ask please if you believe in Global Warming or not?

[serloco]

Le_Regard wrote:
Oh... but then there'd be no deer, so the jaguar would have to...  INTEND some?

There is nothing beyond the power of the will. Anything is possible. I have actually manifested cougars and lions in the city. And yes, with intent.

[Le_Regard]

serloco wrote:
Le_Regard wrote:
Oh... but then there'd be no deer, so the jaguar would have to...  INTEND some?

There is nothing beyond the power of the will. Anything is possible. I have actually manifested cougars and lions in the city. And yes, with intent. 

Then I'll simply tell you what I said before.  Give all your money to me, then will some more.  You should never run out of it.

Where does it break down?  Where's the flaw?  Your trees should be growing money, basically.

[Pixie Dust]

Serloco doesn't do a great job of connecting the dots for his readers.  He lets his audience come to their own conclusion because that's how he shows instead of tells.  It sounds like he's telling, but he's really not revealing anything unless you're in the circle.  His circle.  

It sounds like you don't want in his circle, Le.  I can't blame you.  His circle sounds a bit ridiculous when you see it from the outside.  See if from his perspective and what he's preaching is very simple.  He's basically saying you're experiencing the reality you perceive.  Perception controls reality.  

The collective perception is mighter than the individual perception. Hence why some things are more easily altered than others.  That's the tl;dr version.

[Le_Regard]

Pixie Dust wrote:
Serloco doesn't do a great job of connecting the dots for his readers.  He lets his audience come to their own conclusion because that's how he shows instead of tells.  It sounds like he's telling, but he's really not revealing anything unless you're in the circle.  His circle.  

It sounds like you don't want in his circle, Le.  I can't blame you.  His circle sounds a bit ridiculous when you see it from the outside.  See if from his perspective and what he's preaching is very simple.  He's basically saying you're experiencing the reality you perceive.  Perception controls reality.  

The collective perception is mighter than the individual perception. Hence why some things are more easily altered than others.  That's the tl;dr version.

This would all be true if circles were all self-contained and absolute.  I'm not just trying to argue here, it really doesn't make sense.  Why do you people eat at all?  Because eating is fun?  Because you intend to eat?

Do you drive cars around with no gasoline in them?  Serious question.

Every magician I know comes OUT of the circle at some point to use the bathroom.

[serloco]

I eat very little food. I dont require it anymore. I go weeks without eating. I eat for the same reason I dream, because I enjoy it.

[Pixie Dust]

Le,

For some, they do live in a self-contained and absolute reality.  You may not be just trying to argue but your line of questioning is rude.  Hence, no real help is provided.  No one wants a rude person in their circle. No one is going to explain themselves to a rude person either.  

That aside, some magicians never come out of their circle.  It takes a lot of adaptation to come to and fro.  To switch things up between dreaming and stalking; shifting between awarenesses as different as the tonal and dreaming requires energy.  Some decide to just say f it and live one way.  It's much easier.

Serloco is a dreamer.  Le is a stalker.  I've seen Serloco shift more often from his perception than I have seen Le shift.  Most people stick with their preferred interface with regarding to how they engage reality and those in it.  Also, Serloco takes the train so he doesn't need to worry about things like gas and whatnot.  He has time to focus his attention on other things besides the mundane.

[serloco]

I have 5000 trees a year at $120 000 (for 5000 trees). Thats for 3 year olds. The older the tree the bigger the profit. I am actually teaching my trees to conjure things. I have had trees grow fruits on non fruiting species. Flowers on conifers. With a lil stretch of the imagination I could grow actual money. And why not?

[Le_Regard]

Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,

For some, they do live in a self-contained and absolute reality.  You may not be just trying to argue but your line of questioning is rude.  Hence, no real help is provided.  No one wants a rude person in their circle. No one is going to explain themselves to a rude person either.  

That aside, some magicians never come out of their circle.  It takes a lot of adaptation to come to and fro.  To switch things up between dreaming and stalking; shifting between awarenesses as different as the tonal and dreaming requires energy.  Some decide to just say f it and live one way.  It's much easier.

Serloco is a dreamer.  Le is a stalker.  I've seen Serloco shift more often from his perception than I have seen Le shift.  Most people stick with their preferred interface with regarding to how they engage reality and those in it.  Also, Serloco takes the train so he doesn't need to worry about things like gas and whatnot.  He has time to focus his attention on other things besides the mundane.  

I want you to know that I'm saying this with the full awareness of what I'm saying.

If you can't answer the most basic questions about it, then your circle is dumb and I don't want to be in it anyway.

Edit: Fwiw I have a rather strong memory of telling Jesus approximately the same thing.

[serloco]

But but but but, I am better then you and dont want in your stupid group anyways!!!

[Pixie Dust]

Lol, you just called a circle dumb.  No worries.  Your invitation to Hogwarts was rejected.  You're safe from us weirdos.  

Probably.  

In all seriousness, if you're looking for a normal group of people--Sorcery sure ain't it!   You're the crazy one for expecting normalcy from this lot.

[Pixie Dust]

serloco wrote:
But but but but, I am better then you and dont want in your stupid group anyways!!!

[Le_Regard]

I mean, I don't even really know why I do these things.  But I'm just following where the paths leads, and if you don't see them, AND don't like it when I point them out to you, then I just don't know what to say.

If there's no like...  STANDARD for reality, like if EACH isolated human being was personally in charge of every event in their horizon, and no one truly is a victim of poverty or oppression, then the result is a surreal world where people are the victims of wars or violent crimes because they wanted to be, and I don't think anyone wants to say that.

[Le_Regard]

I mean, if I follow that I can be as rude as I like because you're all literally asking for this.

[serloco]

YOU live in a SHARED world. A world full of individual human beings trapped in a box. Yet you speak of individual worlds as if that is the case for AVERAGE humans. That is NOT the case. Learn to travel into other worlds, or create your own, then speak on these things again.

[Le_Regard]

serloco wrote:
YOU live in a SHARED world. A world full of individual human beings trapped in a box. Yet you speak of individual worlds as if that is the case for AVERAGE humans. That is NOT the case. Learn to travel into other worlds, or create your own, then speak on these things again. 

If you in turn learn to live without using money, I'll agree to just about anything you like.

[serloco]

I lived without money for about 5 years. I lived off of generosity of good people. I had a free apartment, free food, and didn't lift a hand. Now secretly i commanded these people to help me, but they didnt know that.

[Le_Regard]

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant using ANY money, regardless of who earned it or whose bank account it was in or who you commanded to spend it.

[serloco]

Have you ever heard of growing food and farming livestock? Its not hard to live without money. Trade? Manifestation? I have created many many many things out of thin air. I wouldnt take you up on your offer tho. I enjoy money these days.