Destiny

[funnyguy]

Since I've been young I've been fed the knowledge that whatever is "written" will happen no matter what. That God who's supposedly "guilty" for all our actions has pre-written how my life will be and in the end will judge me or does so all the time. I've heard that life is such and such or so and so and can't be avoided. After careful examination of all the knowledge I have received of destiny life and God I have come to believe that it is not so and that people who speak of that knowledge only believe in it because they do not know otherwise. I realized that life is not just happening how it is supposed to happen altough if that is the way you are viewing it and believe in so it will be. That's the funny part those who decide to accept, believe and not question that knowledge or any other for that reason will have their perceptions aligned accordingly in that position of awareness and might never slip out of it if they do not start questioning their own believes. That is where becoming open to the unknown comes along in order to be one must realize that what he knows is what he has been fed and most of the time unconsciously made the decision to believe in taking for granted what he has been told by other peoples exepriences. Once I started probing my perception I saw I could change it at my will with the conscious decision to believe and accept something different than what I've known untill now. I saw that nobody but me is guilty for how my life is happening and the direction it is going in and so got the awesome idea to raise my awareness of myself past choices and believes since then I've been reforming it all and taking away the power from what I do not want and been empowering more good and positive knowledge for myself and my world. I am not being guided by the writings in a mysterious book nobody has seen as some claim to be altough for sure I can perceive to be if I choose to. Everything is a choice and raising awareness is the only way to realize that to see that we are the only ones accountable for our actions and how our lives turn out we do not have to follow anybodys whistle for any reason whatsoever.

[funnyguy]

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[watergaze]

Hello funnyguy
I like your thoughts / realizations on the subject of destiny. 
I find the question of "How is it that we create a kind of pre-destiny for ourselves in order to fill its shoes...?" to be quite an interesting one. If one takes it to the extreme - we create our own death too. But that one is a bit hard to swallow, so let's keep it lighter .
Even more intriguing is that we create our own experiences by our own involvement in certain systems. Many have mentioned how they entered lucid awareness after reading DJ's suggestion that CC look for his own hands in dreaming. This is the case with certain states of awareness too, we hear/read about them and then we strive towards them. It is why places like this discussion forum can offer a lot to a seeker. I entered a few dreams and experiences that picked my interested while reading or hearing reports from other seekers . 

It is pretty interesting that you had the experience you describe as a child. I wonder how my life would be if I had been led to believe that whatever is written will happen no matter what. I cannot imagine how this worked in your childhood. Who wrote the stuff that is going to happen for you? Or was it just the Bible? Cause the Bible does not have much to say about your life - I'd assume (who you become, what job you get, what people you meet, etc.)
What about writing about the past what does that do?
Or fairy tales?
How is God guilty for our actions? I do not get how this one could be argued in the sense that I understand that you write God has pre-written our lives, but then where is the free will?
funnyguy wrote:life is not just happening how it is supposed to happen Amen.
I also do not believe that "what does not kill us makes us stronger" - that is quite some BS. Though it can be used for comic relief .
funnyguy wrote:That's the funny part those who decide to accept, believe and not question that knowledge or any other for that reason will have their perceptions aligned accordingly in that position of awareness and might never slip out of it if they do not start questioning their own believes. very true imo.
funnyguy wrote:That is where becoming open to the unknown comes along 'tis our cubic milimeter of chance
funnyguy wrote:unconsciously made the decision to believe in taking for granted what he has been told by other peoples exepriences. We inherit the world from our ancestors and parents. The little person adopts the view of the world from its caretakers because this allows them to interact in/with it. And it provides a certain type of safety that is, I'd assume, pretty important to the little people. The sad part is that little people forget who they have been before they moved into this world of the big people. Later, we need to fight to distance ourselves from this worldview that we got so immersed in we forgot we were ever not in it. For me one of the more interesting realizations of what a sorcerer is after was not to cheat death (that for me weirdly enough was just a big disappointment when I read it in CC because I it reduced sorcerers into just another bunch of egoists who want their ego to live forever ) but to see the construct of reality that we were born into and understand it is just one of many available constructs - just like the world of a sorcerer is just another construct - and then to move beyond or between there constructs towards a very elusive freedom .
funnyguy wrote:Everything is a choice and raising awareness is the only way to realize that to see that we are the only ones accountable for our actions and how our lives turn out we do not have to follow anybodys whistle for any reason whatsoever. Indeed. Though sometimes we do that for reasons of our own - so in effect we pick our own prisons - hence it is still our choice even if we might not see it.
funnyguy wrote:I saw that nobody but me is guilty for how my life is happening Yay for you. This is an empowering but sometimes also a very hard realization. It is also hard to swallow if a lot of bad stuff happened to you as a little kid or even as a baby, because it is hard to blame an innocent for bad stuff. And here I might make some allowances maybe. If you are a baby and born into a bad family that abuses you - I am not sure how much guilt the baby carries. But other than that, after a certain age, I am all for this premise that you mention. But, it is quite amazing at how little an age our 'ego' comes into play. And then the little being starts to react in bent ways even though I do not think it has the option to decide it in a rational normal manner yet. 
funnyguy wrote:I am not being guided by the writings in a mysterious book nobody has seen as some claim to be I would find such claims very ridiculous lol

Wish you good speed on your raising awareness choice . I hope to read more of your realizations around here

[serloco]

Well in my awareness it is good to yield to God and it is also beneficial to believe in a perfect destiny. Of course one can choose their destiny and thus move the world around you to this goal.

[funnyguy]

Thinking, talking and moving requires energy. Every decision I make starts as awareness, turns into thought then word and finally action. I take into account that once I wake up in this physical reality I have an amount of energy which when depleted makes me feel tired and go to sleep. Each time I wake up if I haven't done anything beneficial the day before the amount of energy and motivation will be lower than if I had made at least a smaller step towards success. Will is what transforms thought into energy a decision into action. Blame, reason and self-importance are useless. Through the cultivation of willpower, one starts realizing his infinite potential and that the only thing that has always held him back is his own decision not to act towards his goal. Circumstances play no role in the realm of will hence the saying "When there is a will, there is a way". The past exists so I can learn from my experience. I can see what decisions and actions I have made and what reactions and outcomes those have brought. After seeing and acknowledging the role I play is actually the directors I see there is no more time and energy to waste in being the victim or re-choosing my old ways. The only possible way to change my perception of the past, the effect of it over the present and my own future is to start investing this limited at this point but eventually ever-expanding energy and time in what I intend to learn, achieve and share. I can see my own future when I carefully examine what I spend my time and energy for. Every time before I make the decision to think, say or do whatever it is I have the time to see how this is going to affect the future and even see yet another thought, word or action that might shift it to something entirely different. So I will clearly see what I am spending my time and energy for during my waking hours and see if that is helping me progress and achieve what I have set out to and if not I will find the best possible solution and follow that instead.

[find dharma girl]

funny guy, that seems a genuine effort.. I mean, your last post resonates with well-meaning.  Here are some words that enhance the piece:
serloco wrote: A stalker must shatter his bubble in some way, to allow another configuration of awareness to manifest. Once another version, or position, of reality transpires he sees that there are numerous positions his awareness can take, and with practice a stalker can walk his awareness to these varying positions. He does this by becoming fluid and controlling his shifts. He guides his awareness to the position he intends, either knowingly ( a known position) or unknowingly (blind faith). He can do this by controlling his thoughts and awareness. A good stalker will repeatedly stalk his new awareness to gain cohesion on them. The more he uses his new positions the more he creates cohesion, or pathways. Once in the new position he can expand further.
watergaze: This is what I call Feeling Map in my lingo . Each spot is a certain state or feeling state. To shift where I already was I remember the feeling key. To shift to a new spot Im not sure how to talk about, I guess closes I can say is I intend it.. it is harder depending on how (un)common a position I am aiming for.
The blind faith thing happens for example in unforeseen situations and is often as much a surprise to me as to the others


bit shiny:  
    
'It'
Knows what to do
This fire
Even your shadow side
Points to feeling
If you want to burn
See how well you navigate awareness

If you stand upon the absolute truth
Of your essence
Hold it long enough as your being

It will strip you bare

Like holding the light long enough
To enter a dream it's there
Waiting to take you

To lead you
As the ultimate challenger

When its not yelling
Its whispering

Numbers are sounds
Words too
Everything speaking

The dream appears

The thread aware expansive

Which way to climb

Which step to take

Which is ' sure'

Interact

        
Don't be fooled
The water is speaking too
Fire water

Billy:  Fire is the intent.  Water is related more to your pronunciation.  I would adjust your concept of the 'will' to mean bodily/tonal care.  When your tonal is in good order it reflects an  incorporation of the entirety of universe and infinity (ugly as it is). 

In opposition to your thread opening, reason is NOT useless. 

REASON is the MOVER-->the precursor to detachment and mature decisionality.  CHOICE is rooted in the phenomenological fact of barren awareness and mechanical meaninglessness.  If you want to talk about 'will,' then start at that base.  I AM watching virtually every idea I have written on this forum made empirically real and then manifest itself.  Profoundly understood REASONING coordinates my tonal with the infinite space and energetic fuel of my root emptiness. 

REASON brought my self face to face with the reality of its futile void, such that my CHOSEN INTENT is the predominate subjective SOURCE (sorcery).  My CHOSEN INTENT arises objectively and corporeally via practice. 


Witch Kaomea, you practice similarily, but your 'which' is not as 'sure' as mine {True/lol}. 
[Honey, I don't mind what you do.  I AM feeding on your emanations.  Too, you will physically come around when its time to appease my tonal appetite.]
Love, Billy

[find dharma girl]

Thread title = Destiny

funnyguy, I learned from your post.  Frequently mentioned on this forum is the spear of destiny.. which is to say the human form takes responsibility above and beyond fate and death.  At some juncture, learned detachment must manifest in the way of standing on one's (psycho-physical-spiritual) death ground.  It is not possible to assume the responsibility of freedom without having the resource of drawing from the 'I AM' experience of death ground.
   Detachment at every stage is the result of consistent self-education in the art of CHOICE.  One moves from creating space to extract self from enslaving thoughts and emotions, to the more complete rendition crowned with power over fate and death.  I have achieved this state, but the responsibility is become ever immense as the permeating propensity for desire reaches ever beyond the known.  Mine is an absurdly burning desire for some disobedient c***.

   I only wanted to be lazy.  I AM unable to CHOOSE laziness, because my INTENT has set a fire under my ass.  Yeah, Kaomea, I thought that when Susan was gone I would simply imbibe debauchery... ya know.. have females sit on my face and whatnot.  Sensuality makes me happy enough.  So, honey, I don't give a f*ck if you ever come around.  Personally, why should I want that responsibility.  Unlike what I posture here, I know full well that if you came under my auspices I would be obliged to commit 100% to your well being.  Do me a favor, DON'T meet me. 





Oh my f*cking god.  Why can't you stop immersing me in overloads of your energetic sh*t.  I want to tell you what I really think, but I'm tired of being endlessly banned. 


  Kaomea says:  Stop choking me.  I get it.  Now I only desire your absence.  Unless you're ready to reveal your value? 



I work

[funnyguy]

watergaze wrote:Hello funnyguy

I like your thoughts / realizations on the subject of destiny. 
I find the question of "How is it that we create a kind of pre-destiny for ourselves in order to fill its shoes...?" to be quite an interesting one. If one takes it to the extreme - we create our own death too. But that one is a bit hard to swallow, so let's keep it lighter .
Even more intriguing is that we create our own experiences by our own involvement in certain systems. Many have mentioned how they entered lucid awareness after reading DJ's suggestion that CC look for his own hands in dreaming. This is the case with certain states of awareness too, we hear/read about them and then we strive towards them. It is why places like this discussion forum can offer a lot to a seeker. I entered a few dreams and experiences that picked my interested while reading or hearing reports from other seekers . 


It is pretty interesting that you had the experience you describe as a child. I wonder how my life would be if I had been led to believe that whatever is written will happen no matter what. I cannot imagine how this worked in your childhood. Who wrote the stuff that is going to happen for you? Or was it just the Bible? Cause the Bible does not have much to say about your life - I'd assume (who you become, what job you get, what people you meet, etc.)
What about writing about the past what does that do?
Or fairy tales?
How is God guilty for our actions? I do not get how this one could be argued in the sense that I understand that you write God has pre-written our lives, but then where is the free will?

Yay for you. This is an empowering but sometimes also a very hard realization. It is also hard to swallow if a lot of bad stuff happened to you as a little kid or even as a baby, because it is hard to blame an innocent for bad stuff. And here I might make some allowances maybe. If you are a baby and born into a bad family that abuses you - I am not sure how much guilt the baby carries. But other than that, after a certain age, I am all for this premise that you mention. But, it is quite amazing at how little an age our 'ego' comes into play. And then the little being starts to react in bent ways even though I do not think it has the option to decide it in a rational normal manner yet. 


Wish you good speed on your raising awareness choice . I hope to read more of your realizations around here

Hi watergaze, thanks for replying to my thread i find your response really encouraging and supportive for which I sincerely thank you.
I am sorry for my late response and I also apologize for not forming the post with quotes as you did I haven't really mastered that art on this forum yet...
I do not think that the realization we are creating our own death is hard to swallow it's something totally logical since we are the ones creating our experiences and crafting our perceptions of them and another thing is that I do not see death as many others do and I think highly of it and would wisely approach it with respect and an open mind as a topic or experience. Entering lucid awareness has been my how do I say... most innermost desire since a child for which obviously I haven't spend enough energy and time to achieve and retain cohesion in. I am not discouraged though because I know for myself not only through blind faith but slight experience that it is possible and the mysterious knowledge it offers is quite alluring to me. This forum is indeed an amazing place for seekers as you say as it does offer so much knowledge and positions and not only it might even help one make a great friend.. 
The knowledge I was fed back then as a child wasn't something I easily accepted on many occasions I have been a very difficult person to convince especially in things I did not want to be convinced in needless to say this piece of knowledge wasn't one of the things I liked much. I mean I respected others opinion on that and let them keep it for themselves but I didn't always align their knowledge for myself as I was really determined back then there is a lot more then what meets the eye especially my ancestors eyes... I even still hear it to this day some people use it as an excuse some as something to make them feel a bit better and cope and distract themselves from responsibility mostly as far as I see for now.
I haven't put much thought into writing about the past but that is a really interesting topic I would like to expand on a bit later on I would love to hear some more of you about that for sure.
Free will and pre-written lives it is quite the contradiction but it is quite funny how there are grown people who don't realize how they contradict themselves quite often there's a lot to learn from there.
Little guys are quite influenced indeed by the environment they are raised in and the relationships they are brought in from a young age yes. What gives me hope for them though is that the world is getting more and more good souls and old ones are realizing that what they know isn't all there is and that with this progress things will be getting better and better for them and for everyone else. I see hope and I see a point in not giving up. There's nothing powerful, just and good beings can not achieve and I see people striving towards that which motivates me to be on the path as well as I understand that perpetuating good to others will eventually lead to more of that and it starts like a chain of effects which if held on the right track for long enough is going to grow massively over everything else and people will wake up more and more to the world and actual experience of life.
Thank you for your good wish sent towards me I appreciate that and I return it twice as hard towards you.

[funnyguy]

Billy I like the knowledge of will you're sharing I am starting to realize that and it made it clearer for me once I read it from you. Indeed I remembered a few times when my tonal was in more control perhap I should say or in a position of retaining it's energy more than usually everything was more colorful and easier.
The reason part in my post was actually aimed at needing -a reason/s to act or make a choice. Acting for the sake of it is something cool CC emphasized in his books and that's what I was intending to highlight there.
And I am happy that you found at least something beneficial in my post it is my intent when I write here to share clearly my experience and knowledge with the hope that someone might at least find it entertaining. Detatchment is something amazing I truly agree it opens lots of doors unimaginable previously due to enslaving thoughts and emotions as you say.
I am happy to hear that you have achieved this state of power over fate and death sounds like you've put lots of work keep it up. The responsibility it's not so bad becoming ever immense would you rather stay asleep? What happened to your other account?

[funnyguy]

watergaze - http://isha.sadhguru.org/blog/video/cre ... an-beings/
I stumbled upon this article from this great guy and I thought it's a nice add-on for my previous post about believing that everything can go better. More individuals spreading this kind of knowledge will be and is beneficial it's every individuals responsibility to craft his world which can touch the lives of many in a positive or negative way that's why raising the awareness of ones truth and being is essential and getting more widespread which is beautiful let's group up on individual levels and do good for the world around is this way it's going to become better every small step of the way.

[find dharma girl]

messengerpidgeon says: Try this drink the entire suffering of the world Then reach upwards and see what to do about What your heart saw Then tell me whatever gets in the way for that one moment takes precedence Or that you'll sit on your ass

[find dharma girl]

A follow up on my last two posts:  First, messengerpidgeons words reflect my own sentiment.  Second, my post previous to that needs to be clarified: "I know full well that if you came under my auspices I would be obliged to commit 100% to your well being.  Do me a favor, DON'T meet me... I want to tell you what I really think..."

   I smiled BIG, because none of the alienation suggested was true, and I expect Syzygy to KNOW.  Still, this will give me a chance to explain my consistent position in enlightenment, and to speak unequivocally.

   One does not lose the 'humanish' qualities per enlightenment.  If anything these characteristics, quirks, faults, flyers or/and neurosis are all the more accentuated in a special way.  The process of depersonalization and recap of history would be better described as objectification.  Integration of one's self requires clarity and then mass cohesion.  It (humanish) is all still there in the package.

   It is also true that enlightenment, 'lightens' or makes living easy and fluid.  This maturity came about via the process of assuming AGENCY as CHOOSER, and accepting full responsibility for my existence. 
  
   As to you, sweetheart, I was thinking of you in analogy as a kite on a long string.  Given the right aerodynamics, the wind power keeps you airborne without string, but it is my perfect joy to have the attachment, and influentially interact.  In this selfish way, I have vicariously soared and continue to soar HIGH.  I do not want or need full detachment from you.. I intend to accept the responsibilities of taking you into my possession.  If the truth be told, I have delightfully allowed you to take possession of my heart.   Depite what I have said or implied in ongoing rhetoric, (as concerns you) I have been ALL Happy from the moment we first interacted.  Don't interpret this as reprieve Kuntomea; I AM full of devious. I am also ticklishly confused as to who does what to who here.  If you reopen your Syzygy website, I will disappear from internet absolutely until the end of summer (and.... won't mess up the Syzygy forum thereafter).  Goodness, I like your words, and I miss you tonally.  A LOT!

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find dharma girl wrote: (and.... won't mess up the Syzygy forum thereafter).  Goodness, I like your words, and I miss you tonally.  A LOT!

That's sweet.  Unfortunately, we played the game.  You won, I lost.  Now you've conquered death.  Now you must live with yourself.

Good luck with that.

[Mornings Son]

It seems there is a recognition of the Goddess shining through Mea and the Horned God responds

[funnyguy]

*** destiny.

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