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Compartments of Sorcery.
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QS wrote this to me in another thread:  

"Wolf... since the subject was raised about the energy compartments of a nagual-being, I'm curious as to your experience in this regard.  I feel I was simply born this way.  What about you?  And even if one is born this way, what do you perceive that might mean, if anything?  Do you see it as just a fluke of nature, just as some are born with blue eyes and others with brown?  Is it the result of some quantum time entanglement wherein the double comes into this life with us when we are born?  I'd be interested in your perspective on this.  What MADE you a nagual/double-being?"

It is my study that most human beings are born with two parts/sides/compartments  that is referred to in Modern Nagualism as the Tonal and Nagual. The Tonal is the rational, the describable, the emotional, it is us as human beings. The Nagual side is the greater us, it is more than senses, it is in a sense our totality of our self, it is awareness. The nagual side dreams and in dreaming we begin to access it, develop it, make it more that just awareness. Human Beings are born with both sides most of the time. There are some beings though that are born with more than two sides.


 My belief is that there is a mutation of the species that shows up in different life forms and it is the design of power. This would be a Nagual being who is born this way. I call it being born with a 'link to power' and that whether the Nagual being is aware or not of this link, the link is still there and the being is subject to the designs of nagualism.


 The three compartment being is usually off balanced either physically or mentally. Two compartment that are tonal and one nagual can often cause serious mental complications and the being has a double personality or more. The three compartment being with two nagual sides and a tonal such as CC is connected to power by the dual nagual sides and one of the nagual sides is more predominate over the other when it is manifested.


A four compartment being has a complete double that can and does coexist within or with out the physical being. This double is connected to the designs of the spirit. A nagual being uses its complete double to survive physical death whether it chooses to or not. This double has been described in many ways in our cultures from everything such as  a demon or ghost to an angel or guide. Most people believe that the compartments must be seen and there must be four to define themselves or others as a "nagual." A nagual being can see another nagual being but the true verification is through the link with spirit for the other's nagual double may not be present when being 'seen.' This link can be described as  having a constant companion which is unseen but  always with you. I have seen my double and its compartments mirror mine which is two but when the double is within me I will be seen as having four. It is my belief when my physical body ceases to exist, my double and I will merge. The eagle who will devour the other two compartments of my physical body. Hard to explain but to keep it simple, a nagual being is born with four compartments, develops a complete double which uses two of the compartments and when death comes, the human self faces the Eagle but the complete double goes on unchallenged a by the design of power and the Eagle knows this rule. The nagual being must merge into the complete double and perform the feat before its "human self" is devoured.


The being that was only two sides has basically the same task. To shift into the third attention so that its double does the same thing, escape death of awareness when its time to face the Eagle. Of course, this shift can occur at anytime and facing the eagle is not a requirement to perform the feat but the end result is to make it final.
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So a four compartment being is one being seen as merged with a complete double, or rather, able to merge with it completely? Three compartment would not be able to fold into its compartments easily? I may just be visualizing in terms of compression and tension.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:




A four compartment being has a complete double that can and does coexist within or with out the physical being. This double is connected to the designs of the spirit. A nagual being uses its complete double to survive physical death whether it chooses to or not. 
... but the true verification is through the link with spirit for the other's nagual double may not be present when being 'seen.' This link can be described as  having a constant companion which is unseen but  always with you. I have seen my double and its compartments mirror mine which is two but when the double is within me I will be seen as having four. It is my belief when my physical body ceases to exist, my double and I will merge.
...a nagual being is born with four compartments, develops a complete double which uses two of the compartments and when death comes, the human self faces the Eagle but the complete double goes on unchallenged a by the design of power and the Eagle knows this rule. The nagual being must merge into the complete double and perform the feat before its "human self" is devoured.

Wolf...
Thank you for your perspective on this!  It dovetails almost entirely with what I myself have seen & experienced - so much so that I wanted to share a link to a series of essays/articles I wrote about the double and double beings over the years.  It is good to have validation that what I have seen/experienced is essentially the same as what you are describing, even if with slightly different words... still leading to the same place. 
There is a "hidden" page on my website where these articles/essays can be viewed, if anyone is interested.  Here are a few excerpts, with a link to the more indepth article on my site.
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NAGUALS & DOUBLE BEINGS - Why Do They Exist?
Though it has been said by don Juan and others that no one really knows why Naguals are simply born with 4 compartments of energy rather than the traditional two, I think I might have uncovered a vague inkling of why this is so.  As we create our double and project that energetic self into eternity, it is given the agenda (at least in the case of my own double, Orlando) of teaching me how to be eternal, how to conjoin with him so that I can experience my own Wholeness. In other words, the primary function of the double-being is to serve as a conduit between the mortal self and the totality-of-oneself.  
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If we look at our mortal lives like a train trip, and we get to the end of the line (the eagle, death, transformation), our Intent is to step off the train, embrace the energetic double, and inhabit our totality.  BUT... if for some reason the mortal self fails in its bid for cohesion within the double, there is a theory that the double actually goes "back in time" (as it were) to within the time-frame of the mortal lifespan... and begins the whole procedure again.  Orlando says he and I have ridden the ghost train a few times (not a pleasant idea), but not surprising, considering everything I now know.  It's like that scene in THE MATRIX where Neo first jumps off the building.  One of the others remarks, "Everybody falls the first time."  I think that's true here, too, which may account for why the idea of "past lives" is so popular.  Some of those "past lives" may well be our individual journeys on the ghost train, if that makes any sense at all.  It is the double’s journey toward Wholeness, toward fulfilling the agenda with which the mortal created it through free will.
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Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily step back inside the framework of the mortal self.  Put another way, the double can "possess" or "inhabit" or "open his/her eyes inside" of the mortal self.   I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the double-being exist in the first place.  Why do this?  Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too.  And the only way to be sure it will survive would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth.   So, the double wriggles down comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy instead of only two.

It's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the responsibility of "creating the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, thus explaining WHY Naguals are born with 4 compartments of energy instead of only two, with the ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the double to go through the motions of actually occurring. 
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To read the entire article...
http://www.quantumshaman.com/html/naguals.htm
Thanks again. Your words come the closest to my own understanding of any I have ever encountered, and I know and acknowledge that can only come from direct personal experience. 
Unconditionally,
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#4
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and beliefs as well QS. The word compartments is not a good description but perhaps how it is described in spanish may make it so. Senear-yes to your question but there is no "folding" in my seeing but perhaps that description works for yours. A foursided nagual being has a complete double meaning there is two beings in one if seen by another nagual being or the various inorganics that have this type of awareness of seeing other beings.
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I could have said doubling with the same meaning as folding. two identical aspects folded would be one the same as the two. And one unfolded would be two. Budded? Heh words are funny things.I see that way because of folding smaller and smaller beyond even thoughts, but then being able, or rather sometimes reacting to unfold past dark and cold voids, or doubling and doubling which feels the same really, doubling and doubling until one becomes the space one inhabits...an inward/outward thing that is the same just perspective. Sometimes i think i might understand what words mean, but that's a process of linguistic empathy and self awareness as much as anything. I think i see the afterimage of the structure in words. I appreciate words with structures that fold and double...lol.



Sometimes i think the world, and therefore, me myself and I, are repititions of an unfolding and everything is just relationships between aspects folded out but its all the same piece...like different pieces of the same shape and cut of glass can create a vast fractal....like a chandelier or mosaic window. and all the colors are just the same light and shadow running through the pieces and reflecting refracting off evreything giving rise to everything.



I stopped typing my use of fractal reminded me of something i watched a few years ago. If i may impose a link of a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdOeuAp126Q Rather then folding no matter how far out or in one zooms, or how divides or doubles, its the same. Is this relevant to the topic at hand? I think so, but i'm hardly literate.
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on re watching that video has boxes embeded where the creator has commentary on the orders of magnification and multiplication if you mouse over them. Its based on math and science but if one were to read those descriptors and put it in this context it states my question more succinctly then i retain the ability, or artistic motivation too I like words spoken from truth, any truth or clear perspective...they engender questions that answer the dictates of perspective. Questions are answers to vibrations. Or maybe its the all the chille cheese dogs i ate from weinershnitzel. That rumbling vibration in the gut is also both question and answer. lol
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#7
Hahaha yes in a way I follow your response and how it moves in a swirl of perception(s). We are human beings with many different aps and are aspects are so varied yet response driven is often the same in societies around this earth.
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#8
Thanks for responding I think i was reminded of something related but tangental actually. I read what i wrote again during the day and it seemed loopy to me. It must have been between 2-4 am.



Has anyone else noticed that at different times of day things types of thoughts are easier? When i wake i check on news, latter in the day its more forward looking things like tracing global events in the future or thinking about times past, and after midnight its always more esoteric. Evening mind is better able to read the output of 3am mind, and early self just glazes over. Enough derailing of your thread
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#9
the nagual theun mares states that different types of dream are accessible at different times of day to advanced dreamers!
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