Immortality

[another spirit]

into what world?

[Eilias123]

I am into the re incarnation thing.

[another spirit]

so elias love the grover looks like a shroom. de ja vu? my benefactor does not believe in past lives. do you?

[another spirit]

additionally my feeling is that we become more bodiless, omnipresent.

[another spirit]

hey whoa. crossed to the otherside the other night in dreaming. it's just like this only 'inside out'. don't know how else to put it. everything is surfaces, but their volume is in the other direction. anyways wanted to say that i do believe in a body, just not being bound to it.

[another spirit]

what happened to the edit option?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Must not be enabled in this forum, I'll check thanks AS.

[Eilias123]

yes i Do AS. I'm not saying your benefactor is entirely wrong.

[Blue totem]

Its possible that the soul is eternal.
It undergoes stages and cycles, which we call life and death, to balance itself, but it could be eternal...
Who knows the truth?....

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I have studied reincarnation a bit and the best theory I read was by the spirit "Seth" chronicles. I do not believe in reincarnation and believe if the soul continues it does so in other worlds and/or dimensions. If one has the chance to see mankind at its worse and generally average state and then put forth this mankind into spiritual evolution then its going to take a lot of lifetimes to advance it. Most human beings struggle. Africa. Pakistan. India. China. Even in America we have in our cities many many who are just above the level of animal. The human race from the lowest to the highest is generally not spiritual at all. The ones who can make the leap or rare, few and have the chance. Spiritual Evolution is for a few based on the world as it is.

[another spirit]

yes i wouldnt say he is wrong. it is me. he said past lives. nothing about future ones. apologies... i think i like you without knowing you you seem pure, and ive always liked elias from the glimpses in the castaneda books.

if there is eternity i feel it must be the soul, there is nothing else to experience such things. well unless youve ever been a shadow, but even then soul is prevalent just not owned personally. but yes even shadows have light no?

and true that lone wolf. a strange world it is too. read dreamgirls zombie post and just thinking like wow that's how people genuinely are. i see them as sickly children in a low place who have nothing better to do than to play around with the poison they were given until they die. of course, id like not to condemn but i just wonder what's up with that. are their hearts genuinely not good? how about their eternal soul? and indeed based on the world as it is.... be patient, accept it, let it evolve. starting to like this nagual party took that move that i was telling you about wolf. worlds different, many beautiful and haunting tales from michigan i must say. for example, ever been to reed city. took a 15 mile hike one night after eating some cactus. hoping that doesn't make me less credible. but the entire town is networked. like every movement that the body makes is responded to by everybody in the same way. very very disturbing. and they had two cats who said they were the same in another attention. it's the freemasons as i understand it who linked everybody's fi together.

and yeah all the creatures there were like we cant touch the guy who did this he's too powerful, flyer allied. turns out ive been camping less than a mile from his house for a month like another 15 miles to the west.... which gave me an opportunity to make a strong move. good fortune, i guess the fi keeps us attuned to spin a positive outlook.

so why'd you leave michigan? probably an irrelevant question, but it is beautiful here. im going someplace a bit warmer if i can

[serendipity]

Hi, there,
Here, is my drivel,..........................................seems to me,........anyone who thinks, there is any real possibility of survival of individual awareness after death, is already, lost to self-importance. 

Where, oh where, do people get these ludicrous ideas?
Even DJM never mentioned any possibility of "immortality",.....but rather, that warriors who "burn with the fire from within", go on to have an existence in inorganic form, that may, last as much as, a million years.   They still die, however,.........just as, inorganic beings do.
 The idea of "immortality", is truely, horrific to me!  Imagine, an eternity,(literally,), as the individual you are now,....................surely, the cruellest torture possible?
Death, is not only, an integral part of life, but also, a release, and therefore, a blessing.
Narcissists may disagree,...................but, thats thier problem.
Whether it be "immortality", or continuing on, in inorganic form,.......the only way I can imagine that, such a thing could be bearable, would be, if, one was to become something other than, human.  Perhaps, something which has no concept of individuality.
To imagine that, one can "cheat" death, is not only, self-important, but also, utterly ridiculous.
Life and death are not, in any way opposed to each other.  They are the same thing. Think about it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, is divorced from the natural world.

That, is all.  You may, feel free to ignore this post, as the drivel, it undoubtedly is

[Nagual LoneWolf]

What goal is there for a warrior in this life? Do die a noble death? To live and love and perish? The heart of a warrior wants to go on. Survive. Exist for no other reason than to cheat death even if its for awhile longer why? Because they can I would guess. Knowing is knowledge. Knowledge is power. Death is the end of power.

[another spirit]

i recall the saying was. that upon burning with the fire from within. one crosses into the third attention. an indefinable aspect of both second and first attentions. and the saying was not millions of years, that referred to those who stayed in inorganic form on this earth. earth being the one who would survive millions of years. the terminology was - eternity, though not eternity as it is commonly understood - that is , as living forever. at the moment of death the eagle allows us to keep the awareness that is ordinarily relinquished and cross over into 3rd. - agreed with you in regards to the self importance. because spirit has entirely no self importance. and an eternity as this self would be entirely ludicrous. that is why the self must adapt and learn to open itself to spirit. a spirit, the spirit, that may or may not want to be aware for an eternity. of total freedom

for some reason embedding this video is 'disabled by request', but its music if you want to understand a glimpse of a concept of eternity. one that is bearable and beyond words is all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5X4kGhAtU

wolf - you especially i heard from yesterday, when no other individuals i know aknowledged something ill get to in a minute.

i agree with you about all your statements. go on just because. do you not love - isnt your heart full of it?

death - may not be the end of power. don juan said when his came he would go out and join it beyond the horizon, it was 'waiting' for him. 'who knows what kind of power we may have' he said.

so. with that said. did anybody else notice. i hit america hard with mescalito and san pedro yesterday. around 5pm just before that est. 10/15. it got quiet around here for sure. and obama came in a dream acting like a fuckhead.

[another spirit]

anyways your face lone wolf. showed up through the mist clearer than ever. and that meant victory

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Victory to another spirit is the call of the warrior's intent........I now smile and say to you we are what we are and whatever we are we still must exist if even for a second. Eternity awaits only those who can withstand its vastness.

[another spirit]

totally. yes. were there. thats us for sure

[Guest]

I believe life is eternal and I believe in immortality.
Our souls are eternal; on a less advanced planet most must experience the physical death of the body, but this is not the only way.
What don Juan did through burning with the fire from within... I'm sure there were others throughout the ages (check the lore on Enoch for example); as the planet (collective consciousness) continues to evolve and progress then more people will be able to experience this.






peace

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Asiris...welcome to the Shamanic Forums!

[Guest]

Thank you...

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hahaha....celtic raggae ..imagine a singing dancing lion...thanks for the smile!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Nicely said and very deep Shamanka...I agree that naguals attract based on the requirements of the eagle and the rule. It is amazing these days because we can use such modern devices like computers and the internet to find each other. The world awaits the new dawning of seers.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

From a Naguals perspective, it showed how others throw out threads, any threads, to remain surviving on this web, to belong to humanity and its variety of experiences.

The choices made so often by their programming leads to the continuation of their emotional addictions as in 'crisis' they revert to what they 'know'. If only they were shown, as i was, to withdraw all their threads consciously,back to the heart centre, for dissolving with understanding, that the law of free will comes into play and,after the 'death', one can align to any, or all of the vibrations they so desire.-Shamanka

[Littlepaw]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:I have studied reincarnation a bit and the best theory I read was by the spirit "Seth" chronicles. I do not believe in reincarnation and believe if the soul continues it does so in other worlds and/or dimensions. If one has the chance to see mankind at its worse and generally average state and then put forth this mankind into spiritual evolution then its going to take a lot of lifetimes to advance it. Most human beings struggle. Africa. Pakistan. India. China. Even in America we have in our cities many many who are just above the level of animal. The human race from the lowest to the highest is generally not spiritual at all. The ones who can make the leap or rare, few and have the chance. Spiritual Evolution is for a few based on the world as it is.
I have always believed in reincarnation.  I wont try and explain now why I feel this way but luckily my hero Theun Mares has something to say on the subject in this video! http://www.youtube.com/wa...PL49793BF9F90A1524  enjoy!

[BarefootInTheSand]

What you said...word.
Especially, it is only then that free will comes into play.  Before that there is no free will...only an endless recycling of what is familiar. 
Could you imagine identifying items from a past life? 
But, if outside of this reality (rather than firmly embroiled in it...and trying to tell yourself that it is good), why would one desire to reincarnate again here?  Why not there?  Or over there?  Or, why not merge back with the cosmic consciousness?
shamanka wrote:Recently, sitting in the void for three days, being the nothing, instructed not to create or pluck the grids of this creative playground, i found out just how strong the urge to play here is. This i likened to the potential, wishing to know itself in form and also as i understood it, the urge to reincarnate. i knew what it was to have consciousness outside of this reality, an example of this came to mind of Buddha, who, within his story it is told, that he can identify his own belongings each new incarnation, from an array presented to him as a small child.

From a Naguals perspective, it showed how others throw out threads, any threads, to remain surviving on this web, to belong to humanity and its variety of experiences. 
The choices made so often by their programming leads to the continuation of their emotional addictions as in 'crisis' they revert to what they 'know'. If only they were shown, as i was, to withdraw all their threads consciously,back to the heart centre, for dissolving with understanding, that the law of free will comes into play and,after the 'death', one can align to any, or all of the vibrations they so desire.


this also touches on the laws of attraction and karmic service.


Undoubtably fear provoking, to have experienced the total destruction of your old world...leads to the knowing of total self creation of ones reality, on all levels, including immortality.