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The Center of creating the Double.
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The center of a stalker has in it the power of perceiving. That perceiving is a true indicator of awareness.




Perception and awareness must be united.




To unite them a sorcerer places his ordinary perception unto the non ordinary world and still maintain awareness.




Remember that the tonal is our first ring of power.




Now remember that accessing the nagual is the second ring of power which puts upon that perception an awareness of the nagual.




A stalker uses the first ring to access the second ring.




The real world is nothing more than images we hold together.


Once they are dropped then the first ring collapses leaving the second ring.




Our first ring of power is crated very early in our lives and we live under its rules.




Our second ring of power , the attention of the nagual , remains hidden for most people. Only death will show it.




There is a path to reach it for each of us, and that my friends is
through dreaming. By using the rings in dreaming and learning to "there"
access
the spirit of the nagual, can one bring back into the first ring, an
awareness of the nagual.






There are no procedures other than this to arrive at the attention of the nagual by yourself.




Finding your hands in your dreams is a good exercise. Learning to focus
your dreaming attention on objects and other entities is another.




The quest is to draw the attention of the nagual spirit to focus on you.


Once a dreamer can look upon their body sleeping without waking and go forth then they are past the initial barriers.




Once that happens there is a new you. You will draw the attention of the
nagual. You will have created your double and it will be at your
command.
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#2
"Once that happens there is a new you. You will draw the attention of the nagual. You will have created your double and it will be at your command."



This makes me wonder if we are creating the double or simply acknowledging the existance of it. I know we create what we intend but who's to say it wasn't already there and we simply needed to be capable of 'seeing it'. Maybe the creation is really sight. Maybe it's like the chicken and egg debate. No way to really know but lately I've been contemplating a few things...



Our double... is us, right? Our double is the nagual and we access power with them. This makes them us... When we think of integrated soul consciousness, the nagual/double is the one who sees us through each re-birth on the various planes of existence. They hold the 'all' for us and it's up to the individual to decide how much of that knowledge we want to have access to. I realize it's easier to refer to our double as 'them' as they reside on a different plane but on our quest for power and knowledge, I am curious whether others see the double as themselves or a seperate being.
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#3
Good comments Kao. You mention the double as being on another plane but I see the double on several planes including our awake life. The dreaming double is formed as the dreamer begins its journeys. It retains knowledge and assemblage points and memories on its own thus it grows. As one progresses with the teaching (looking at your hands) there comes a point when you lucidly leave your body, raise up from it consciously and view it. At this point your in no dream but in your dreaming double. Now this dreaming body can go forth in the world and interact with it, see the orbs of men, change aps at will, change shapes, perform sorcery in this world not one from dreams, this is the sorcerer's dreaming double. A Nagual being also has another double, thus two. This other double is not a dreaming double, it is a separate entity and has its own agenda and works often without the Nagual being having awareness of it. So when we refer to our doubles there are two references we are referring to.
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#4
Fascinating! We should talk more about this other one shouldn't we? Or is that best left for later...or no discussion? It just surprises me...so little mention of it amoung warrior sites.
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#5
We can talk about here all we want Raven.
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#6
I only meant...is it a topic better experienced first...sorry my post was unclear.
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#7
"This other double is not a dreaming double, it is a separate entity and has its own agenda and works often without the Nagual being having awareness of it"



lol.... dont i know it.....indeed it does...this is the double that i hear reports of from others. i have no recall...cos its not often relevant to me...this is usually about activation...sexual activity or instruction. if you've seen me before you meet me..its this double..often reported as a disembodied woman looking like me..while you are in normal awareness....LOLOL. one one report of actually someone meeting and having lunch with this double..so it has been done..but i have no recall.



my dreaming double i get recall from or a report back in the morning..i can command this to go deal with something or find stuff out for me. its what i use for dreaming awake etc etc. although i am often in energy above or around it....



it is being suggested that when you are in the now with your double, (which one or both???) is when i have slipped dimensions and turned invisible...LW,or anyone..know about this..or its procedure?



is it just intent to switch from this self to the double?..i don't remember having intent at the times it happened..but i do remember getting told, before the events... i was going to have 'a personal experience'...



love this topic....shamanka xx
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#8
When a nagual being can access their other double and retain both realities at once is what is called the 3rd attention. When you die or move on to the next destination all selves become one and the organic body is no longer needed is the final transformation. Your dreaming double can exist in your awake state also and can help you in your everyday life. Many seers have had dreaming doubles that are far more powerful and knowledgeable than their human organic self. Listening to your double is indeed a learned experience. Use intent to activate the dreaming double before going to sleep gives it a directive and thus motive to expand.
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#9
Cheers LW..so 3rd is usage of the Nagual double .. final transformation you bring them all here in the now?..what if you wanna take your body with you? choose to manifest and demanifest at will in this reality?



geez all these terms today..still i'm getting better at understanding others , as explanations of them all, keep coming.....xx
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#10
Taking the body with can be done but it becomes a image of your energy, you can still do the image without the body or so I was taught. Many keep this image as it helps them stay sane in the worlds out there where reality shifts are varied. Others see us as they will see us no matter what image of organic possession we bring along.
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#11
Wolf, do you have recall of your other double? Not dreaming double, but the other. What is its purpose basically, and benefits of recall? Thanks.
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