Losing The Human Form

[Nagual LoneWolf]

You must lose your human form. The human form is
a force and the human mold is ... well ... a mold.
Everything has a particular mold. Plants have molds, animals have molds, worms have molds. Sorcerers have the
avenue of their dreaming to lead them to the mold. The mold of men is definitely an entity, an entity which can be seen by
some of us at certain times when we are imbued with power, and by all of us for sure at the moment of our death. The
mold is the source, the origin of man, since, without the mold to group together the force of life, there is no way for that
force to assemble itself into the shape of man.
The human form is a sticky force that makes us the people we are. The human form has no form. It's anything, but in
spite of not having form, it possesses us during our lives and doesn't leave us until we die.
A warrior must drop the human form in order to change, to really change. Otherwise there is only talk about change.
One cannot change as long as one holds on to the human form. A warrior knows that he cannot change, and yet
he makes it his business to try to change, even though he knows that he won't be able to. That's the only advantage a
warrior has over the average man. The warrior is never disappointed when he fails to change.
The only thing that makes you think you are yourself is the form. Once it leaves, you are nothing. A warrior without
form begins to see an eye. The formless warrior uses that eye to start dreaming . If you don't have a form, you don't have
to go to sleep to do dreaming . The eye in front of you pulls you every time you want to go.
Everything has to be sifted through our human form. When we have no form, then nothing has form and yet
everything is present. Lone Wolf

[bentheben]

And how does one know when he lost his form? I read C.C. and I experienced something similar to that what he explained. For years (nearly all my life) I tried
to decrease my self-importance and tried not to get offended by thinking that it doesn't really matter, that it is stupid to get offended and to feel bad.
I don't know why but people never liked me, they always made fun of me, but as a cancer (horoscope) I was very sensitive and had more problems with that.
Well I found out that nearly all my life I have lived as a warrior (maybe I wasn't following the warriors path 100%, but even 70-80% ain't bad if you
count that I found that out by myself, that I do not know any other way to live). Anyway after couple of months of regularly doing tensegrity and spending
nearly all my time in inner silence something happened. I had severe headache or pressure inside head (I never have/had it) and felt odd for couple of days.


And then suddenly it happened/felt (and still feels) just as C.C. wrote: "Without knowing how or even realizing what had happened, I found myself in a
most unfamiliar state. I felt detached; unbiased. What I felt was not a willed indifference, nor negligence to act. Neither was it alienation, nor even the
desire to be alone. Rather, it was an alien feeling of aloofness; a capability of immersing myself in the moment, and of having no thoughts whatever about
anything else. People's actions no longer affected me because I had no more expectations of any kind. A strange peace became the ruling force in my life. I
felt I had somehow adopted one of the concepts of a warrior's life: detachment."




And it felt/feels like I can "zoom in or out", I can choose whether I will feel some feelings or not. I can watch life as spectator (like a movie) or
I can be part of it and play it.




But I still cry, though differently and I can still feel sadness. When I am sad, its like I am shivering and trembling from inside and when I cry just some
tears drop down, one by one.




And I haven't seen any eye in front of me, ever. Maybe because I still can't "dream", I can't even find my hands in my dreams. Well
probably because I am lazy and didn't try not even a bit. Well I am working on it now, or not...




Anyway I'd like to know what is that what happened to me. I can't really believe that I lost human form at my age without any1 teaching me (though I
believe the spirit or some1/something is teaching me all my life).




Thank you for your answers and your time

[Bob May]

Practicing silence will allow you to experience many, many things that you have never felt before.


My advice would be to just observe at this point and don't get emotional about it.


Your body and mind will and must begin to feel strange sensations because you have never been silent or disconnectd in these ways before.




But, when it comes to separate entities attacking you, you must do something about it.


But the strange pressures in the head and feelings of separation between body and mind, etc. are "normal" when you are beginning to practice
spiritual methods.


We are not our bodies and we have thought we were our entire lives. At some point we begin to really understand that and it can be frightening at first. Use
that new-found ability of aloofness and just observe yourself. You will find that it becomes interesting and even fun in a way.




A book that my teacher used was Twelve Steps to Spiritual Enlightenment by Israel Regardie. It explains pretty well the concepts of Body Awareness and Mind
Awareness meditations. Others may know of some books that also might help.


It is difficult going without a teacher, but there is an axiom in Western Occult tradition that states "When a student is ready, a teacher will
appear."


I found it to be true.




But stick around and ask questions here if you like. You are welcome and we are willing to help if we can.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Well looks like you described the feeling very well bentheben. Losing the human form is not exclusive to sorcerers and it can happen to anyone at anytime. The
zoom in description is again a good way to describe some of the effects. Detachment. A warrior's best friend but not a way to live one's entire life in
the tonal/western world. Bob May gives you excellent advice.

[Blue totem]

I`ve followed the warrior path 87.9532 % of the time.

[Blue totem]

Well it looks like you can loose your human form without a teacher, you can even achieve the higher stages of sorcery that way. If you are diligent at any type
of spiritual work (long enough), you can open the doors to your higher self and infinity.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

We can first achieve silence. In that silence we find that we are not alone. Knowing we are not alone in our silence we do one of two things. We choose to
ignore the condition or we seek to make a connection. The connection can be reversed and seek you by the way and most of the time it does. The connection is
difficult to find its source. You may be misled by that inside you which has taken a place in your dialogue thus why only by silence can you find the real
source. Once finding it you will then be able to listen outside of your body. Out there is a power that waits for you to listen. It has waves that travel
across our world speaking to all living beings. Once one realizes and makes the correct assemblage point the human form in silence is lost and from its shell
comes a true warrior.

[rosygyro]

I worry about a lot of things... shapeshifting is one such power study i take most seriously..


The nagual theun mares... speaks about the assemblage position knwn as the world of the beast! and warns quite clearly the disadvantages of utilizing the
position... claiming that even assembling it once.. will taint your power for ever after... and also beginn to show.. and the position itself become easier and
easier to access... leading to the age old storys of werewolves who could not control their form at certain times... ( blood moon)...


he says its a retrogressive position......being a pragmatist i would like to make certain of one thing when "imagining an animal"..


i would like to make sure that my awareness has not become enmeshed with the awareness of bestiality perverts!.. who in engaging in unnatural sex acrts...
create masses of emotion in the resistance aspect of the habitual position!....


in other words,, just some sicko making you his "****".. because you havent checked your a real wolf, or split the polarities correctley!




I would like to shapeshift fully and physically, but i honestly believe the only shapeshift we can do freely is sexual in nature! as it is the creative aspect
oflife you must engage in to transform,,,,,


equally as each man is lord of his own creation.. there is certainly a relevent layer of study to ensure that no-power is wasted when attempting.....(energy
leaks etc..)




if you warp your astral or shaminic form in the wrong way.. it will leave an energy tear or leak .. somewhere you cannot easily comprehend...


over a short space of time this will attract an entity that feeds!. wasting your power and contributing to your challenge!




shapeshifting is an adjustment of the known in a certain respect.. I.e. you know what you want to turn into!... but unknown in the sense that your seriously
testing your entire realitys boundaries!..




the trick is to.................. know your own creative power... to encapsulate your known physical.... but lock your inexperience of the process within your
known... to ensure you create no tears in your energy body while you encapsulate yourself!...


so your body is the known as it changes shape you MUST make sure there is no leaking of energy...which means that which is under pressure .. must be
tranmogrified... as your known adjusts!.... presumably it is a time based energy subjective that essentially.. Slipstreams your entire body within an
immpeccable flow.. the flow must be immpecable otherwise when you drop out it could hurt!




Nagual lone wolf what do you reckon!




I have in my time been caught barking at sheep! But as i told them at the time.. thats as far as it goes!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I like this post and it shows experience from the writer concerning the topic. The ap is like a radio dial..shifting it down off the scale will make one shape
shift into whatever shape it lands on or is intended. Shifting up and off the scale will propel one into different worlds, layers, and even into bliss. Of
course the directions "up" and "down" are used only as a example of direction.

[rosygyro]

Nagual lone wolf i cannot justify,, any movement of the assemblage point that int utterly honourable from a habitual position point of view...




I hae found a pattern that exists in all men that leads us in unity toward a global shift in consiousness... for me to abandon the pattern is akin to jumping
out of my own lifes work,,.. I am working on finding a style of objective to my tonal that will still allow it to be guided immpecably,,, while im elsewhere
for instance... so that when i return the seats still warm and the bus hasnt crashed!...


its only by working with this duality that i can call myself a warrior...


I i chose to simply shift my pattern as and when i chose i would consider myself too selfish to be classed as powerful, except in imagination!




thats not to say yours are not.. but for me to be moved without truth to the core of my energy beliefs would create more obstacles to me finding my centre
again... something which would happen and hence my life would become controlled by UNSTOPPABLE return to centre from the initial movements unnessicary
extreme!...


however should my core position move.. it will exert a pressure!.. this pressure moves with the universe! "it cannot be stopped" and it cannot be
found! except by the FEAR it produces in oneself!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Well...that pattern I would call destructive but perhaps that my bend on this type of discussion. There are of course a worldly ap, then national, then
regional, then working its way down to individuals. Persons affect these shifts like the new american president Obama. To guide one's ap impeccably would
indeed be a mark of a true warrior/sorcerer.

[rosygyro]

this is sort of what i mean... the human ap being affected by so many culture figures...


I just think that everyliving being has a jewel of immpecability connected by an energythread totheir ap... so why not hit that common thread... with a touch
of genius intent, for shared immpecable communication.. this alone could snowball through the mass ap position..

[rosygyro]

if you are ever caught in the world of inorganics.. the only escape is to create beyond their own perception using the immpecable jewel as a sluice


and your love as a shield!!! once they see you can contribute to their perception through your freedom from their perception( i.e. move forward rather than
'balling' your awareness).. then their own awareness will not hold you as it counters their own potential perception of themselves!... locked on you
they become a stabilising force within time... whilst with your creativity you "shapeshift" away..... moving with the immpecable means you shift in
line with the universe..... which they recognise as potential future... and so they follow... all the time pulling your foes off your back and challenging them
on their knowledge... either guiding them to follow... or throwing them into the death machine!


or "how to turn inorganic beings into truthfull allies in line with the path of the warrior of freedom".




it makes world politics look like chickenfeed!.. and chickens look like the prey of an EAGLE ....

[docta lee]

Hello rosygyro



I like your post too


I have to say though that shape-shifting is not literal:.... meaning you wont be seen by others as a wolf or a raven or a elephant


People who are dreamers would see as this as well as other creatures.


But who knows maybe a human being can literally physically change into a animal, i certainly don't pretend to know


I feel a human can do this only in dreams.




I would even go as far as to say this: why would you want to?...unless you really really hate mortal human life


Even if i knew as a energetic fact that i could shift into a Raven right now i would not do it because you may not return and I love Ravens!




I think it's fine to experiment but don't think of it as what you wrote:


i would like to make sure that my awareness has not become enmeshed with the awareness of bestiality perverts!.. who in engaging in unnatural sex
acrts... create masses of emotion in the resistance aspect of the habitual position!....


in other words,, just some sicko making you his "****".. because you havent checked your a real wolf, or split the polarities
correctley!




It wont be enmeshed unless you will that, so be very very careful.


You seem very intelligent but you must enjoy what u are a magical human being. not a wolf.


There are many beauties of being human 1 of them is feelings, another, the ability to manipulate our own awareness.


which animals dont really seem to have that much of




So yes by all means shape shift all you want but i recommend that you should not shape-shift in the physical or u may wind up dead or worse
yet in the lonney bin


In my opinion.....do it in your dreams where it belongs.

[rosygyro]

because only an immpeccable being can shapeshift physically.... ending up dead or in the loony bin.. is part of the test!..


you see, even the slightest distortion in your motive for physically changing will incrementally move your own habitual assemblage point toward that which you
most need to learn in order to be immpeccable!...to survive in their microscosmic world!...




Once you know yourself well enough,, to not support entities that feed off you, you also know yourself well enough not to passivley feed off others as part of
your perception!...




The truth of the matter is!.. once you have taken yourself out of the equation spiritually, you know you can take any animal form you choose!..


as you will neither lose energy to the entity, or take energy from your suroundings!...


as such if your shapeshift is amusing to the naguals energy atl will quite happily allow shifts, provided the shift doesnt distract you from the greater
destiny of your spirit!...and providing such a shift is within your immpecable control.. and does not in anyway, damage the awareness or potential awareness of
those he holds sacred!...




! "I came from the stars" what is a body to the star people?

[docta lee]

Be that as it may that is way to comlicated for me and dangerous to handle but i respect your vibrant explanation.


thanks

[Darth Madder]

How frustrating it must be to be seeking power in the weeds of morality. "Only an impeccable person may do such and such".




Suppose that the entire universe ultimately has one common origin and ultimate destiny. Then, impeccability could be measured by how close to the totality of
everything one might be. Now suppose there is no "inherent unity of all things". That would mean there is no preordained path, and
"impeccability" cannot be measured by how closely one might be to something that doesn't exist.




If there were an inherent unity to all things, a man would have a single soul as the Christians, Jews and Muslims say we have, as our spiritual anatomy would
be expected to reflect the greater anatomy of the universe. Then, we would be justified in being mortified at the cacophony of voices that we hear in our
sundry heads.




Logic then, would dictate that ultimately we have an underlying unity, and the many voices in our heads would necessarily mean that we are too shattered to
discover our totality. We are stopped. There is no clear route to power until we are unified in imitation of the greater universe.




Then we find ourselves compelled to find "the master key" which will align our diverse selves into a totality. Perhaps it is love. Perhaps it is
intent, but the legends say that if you choose wisely, and align yourself to an abstract principle, that your shattered diversity will align to a totality like
metal filings line up to a magnetic field.




There are, of course, alternative ideas. No one need be a monotheist. Perhaps the universe has diverse origins and ultimate destinies, and the comittee mind of
a human being is a proper reflection of the world one finds themselves in.




Polytheists speak of several souls as a result of observing how people move through the universe. Monotheists cannot derive their beliefs from observation,
monotheism is revealed, not derived. Polytheists are stuck considering that "impeccability" is not a door to power, monotheists have to deal with
setting up a hierarchy so that some voices in our heads are better than others.




It is, in practice, high blasphemy to reject monotheism and its attendant derivations. The ultimate unity of all things, and the morality of achieving it, ring
loudly in our ears. But if our doors are closed, if we cannot achieve power without the light of moral perfection, why not look in the darkness? Some suggest
power is there.




I suggest that for the non-monotheistic person, impeccability is blessedly irrelevant to the search for power.

[rosygyro]

Truthfully, although i hadnt ever described monotheism as you have...I would have to say i am monotheistic!...or at least attempting to be so minotheirtic i
dont prevent other people from finding their own center with my forcing of beliefs upon the perciever of my dream!


the reason for this will become clear when you read my next post!.. There is nothing in the darkness t6hat will help your fellow man, no matter how well YOU
personally use the powwer you find.. it is not yours and it is not theirs, it helps no-one when the planet itself is in sickness!






"Now suppose there is no "inherent unity of all things". That would mean there is no preordained path, and "impeccability"
cannot be measured by how closely one might be to something that doesn't exist. "


my response-destiny presupposes an inherant unity of all things,,,,,,, that which doesntn't exist (as yet) is pure potential... in whch case it is
subjestive immpecability to the concept of creational flows in line with the destiny of things which do infact exist immpeccably!




"If there were an inherent unity to all things, a man would have a single soul as the Christians, Jews and Muslims say we have, as our spiritual
anatomy would be expected to reflect the greater anatomy of the universe. Then, we would be justified in being mortified at the cacophony of voices
that we hear in our sundry heads."




my response- You have not taken into account" the evolution of the soul".. from complex anatony of a planet... to complex anatomy of a
universe.. which is the "master key" to unifying planetary soul"cacaphony of voices soon to be replaced by inter species
comminication"




from a bag of marbles to a whole box of **** in a heartbeat!

[rosygyro]

when you first read your castenada books, and became mildly scared by the black inorganic snake, and spirit men,. particularly the sections on becoming lost
within the world of inorganics... Apiece of you was instananeously lost!,, within their world. I have seen men like puppets,, so mad they are in a cage of
fear, wound around a death defiers finger!... they control their lives not! they run from freakish place to freakish place! while their bodys move rigid with
terror ( in fact ive done it myself) , locked within their own eyes, behind their own scenes.,,spirit funnels and not much else, part begging for death,,1000%
lost;- there is no man without immpecability who can escape such a Trap!.... for it holds the rope that will pull you out!


strangeley enough.. its the part of you that became lost at the beginning that begs you to face your fear! and will pull you out only if you can find something
more terrifying than your own mad mad mad death,, that needs your heart beating to accomplish it!


when i first got to the edge itself! I tried to sever my being in the full flow of the direction it was facing... the enormity of a life travelling like an
arrow from a bow, over the edge in full force.( i was deranged in the london underground with only places to die in front of me, and i dont mean just the
tracks, i mean a city of "the end", "like dick wittington on acid") it was like staring death in the face and contemplating the absolute
grace of cutting my life off like a puppet of power!wether to live another hour or another twenty years was unknown, just to let go and never think
again....just a heart beating till the end!.... maybe thats what im doing now! A slave to the rythm divine!..


In truth severence from power is severence within power...and life includes power.. and life includes love.. and thats what i do now!


funny thing is i partly think i failed my test because im not dead! like the matrix thing! with the first jump that no-body ever makes.... but what do i do,?,
search for love or search for death?..(without being cliche'd immpeccability is the word used to decribe the meaning of both!)




This is an impossibly scary lesson.. use it wisely or not at all!! the dark path will just have you tip toeing in a puddle thinking your a scary person! and
not mush else! if you never find your demise you never challenge anything but your own imaginary superiority over others!!!!


I just want equality.. because i dont like Cowards who abuse children(,and women ,and family and men, and using violence,and hypnosis, and bad worx in
general)because it gives them "special powers"... when they could have claimed a hell of a lot more POWER through living honourably if only they
hadnt been so afraid!........... Whats left of your darkness is still within the jewel of immpecability!.. its the part of your life that isnt FREE (yet!)
LUCKILY its the middle bit!


Like i said earlier on another page, the only way to escape is to "shapeshift" Love is a creative force,,,,the only way to find your way out is to
love like your life depends on it! and the human form drops away! people who think shapeshifting means ANIMAL forms (unless they can correlate human love in
parralel with animal innocence) are not going to find i is the key!.

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