Is Self Importance Important?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Morning Son's favorite topic:
Many who follow the toltec teachings really seem to focus on this aspect of the teachings. That a hunter (which I say instead of warrior) of power must be humble and not take himself seriously. They believe that will make the spirit notice them more. I believe a warrior knows that the core of self importance is that they will face death.

[Mornings Son]

he he )))
Yes Lone Wolf it is my favorit subject at least here in Seperate Reality
Why?
I see myself much in what is going on.
Also I see the Selfimportance as a enemy of Freedom.
Like when I get hurt by somebodies words, there looks, my own mistakes or anything else.
So long as 'I' believs that 'I' am this 'I', that is being so and so. Then there is Selfimportance. Recapitulation all the 'stories' that have happened in once life, should get you free is it not so? (I don't know... that teory for me still)
Long Wolf it seems to me, that you mix Self-esteem with Self-importance. The knowlegde of ones power/knowlegde/gift/and so, on with the indulging in ones power/knowlegde/gift/and so.
Do i get it correct that:
you are either a Selfimportant Warrior blessed by Power or a flyer infested prey in a dump of **** with little chance of advancement?
I can't remember DJ teachings on Selfimportance excatly, only that Genaro and DJ had a lot of laughs over Carlos.
MS

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Morning Son, this post wasn't intended for you but only in that you brought it to my attention.
My belief on this subject is that where being humble doesn't get you anywhere. That a warrior IS indifferent. Yes.
That words do not hurt him. Yes.
That he doesn't take personal the stupid acts of men? Yes.
Why? Because he isn't at the mercy of his inernal dialogue.

"Also I see the Selfimportance as a enemy of Freedom.
Like when I get hurt by somebodies words, there looks, my own mistakes or anything else."-MS
That selfimportance is a enemy of freedom? Now that is a statement I like! It rings truth. Freedom is letting go.
Telling the parasite within that your done with it!
Knowledge is power. No knowledge, no power. Only energy.
Energy with knowledge=real power.
The teachings of self-importance are to give the foreign installation less to feed on. If I have control over the foreign installation then self importance in that regard is less sought in the path to power. The enemy to freedom is the foreign installation.
Lone Wolf

[seeitall]

my favorite topic too.
being not self-important means nothing can corrupt you.
it means you can be fluid beyond imagination. it's the
true freedom. it has nothing to do with being meek or week.
FI just uses self-importance the same way others
use money to buy and corrupt others - useles papers for your precious energy. without self importance the deal cannot continue. just my humble opinion.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

and a very worthy opinion.

[Mornings Son]

[mocomoracho]

Wu wei
Main article: Wu wei

Wu wei (simplified Chinese: 无为; traditional Chinese: 無爲; pinyin: wúwéi or Chinese: 無為) is a central concept in Taoism. Wei refers to any intentional or deliberated action, and wu is the negation that means "there is no . . ." or "lacking, without". Thus the literal meaning of wu wei is "without (conscious or purposeful) action". It is often expressed by the paradox wei wu wei, often rendered as "action without action" or "effortless doing".[48] The practice and efficacy of wu wei are fundamental in Taoist thought, most prominently emphasized in philosophical Taoism. The goal of wu wei is alignment with Tao, revealing the soft and invisible power within all things. It is believed by Taoists that masters of wu wei can observe and follow this invisible potential, the innate in-action of the Way.[49]

In ancient Taoist texts, wu wei is associated with water through its yielding nature.[50]
Taoist philosophy proposes that the universe works harmoniously
according to its own ways. When someone exerts their will against the
world, they disrupt that harmony. Taoism does not identify one's will as
the root problem. Rather, it asserts that one must place their will in
harmony with the natural universe.[51] Thus, a potentially harmful interference is to be avoided, and in this way, goals can be achieved effortlessly.[52][53]






From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism

[mocomoracho]

"道可道，非常道。 (Tao (way or path) can be said, not constant/regular/persistent way)
"The Way that can be described is not the true Way."
名可名，非常名。 (names can be named, not usual names)
"The Name that can be named is not the constant Name."

[Guest]

Moses on the top of Sinai mountain had nothing better to do then ask the lord god of Israel for it's name, he did that with hidden intent, as he grew up in Egypt where words were considered power he figured that knowing god's name would make him control his lord god ( check the papirus Ani for details ).  He was told "I am what i am" because the enetity that told him knew the difference between self awareness and self importance. Something i have not seen in here.

[Turin Otzaki]

what you see is what you are

[Cedar Waxwing]

Nice Turin

[glance left]

Wu wei...nice! It's the way of it...action which has its own impetus from within the moment at hand. Alignment is the only effort here..finding the center of the stream and then integrating with it. All the power is contained within that current and it is more than enough.



I was sitting at a restaurant yesterday with my extended family celebrating my youngest's birthday....right on the cusp of spring equinox. Spring is pretty much bursting at the seams here in the South, right now....absolutely flagrant...exquisite. And that of the moment just rose up within...bloomed. I saw this image of a chinese puzzle box in which triggers align and the whole thing unfolds simultaneously from the inside out revealing the ephemeral treasure within...luminous and abstract...absolutely insubstantial in terms of something which can be captured and kept...but then again, absolutely priceless and powerful in terms of what it represents in the fleeting moment that it exists. Knowledge came with the vision...about the profound secrets suspended within the moment that perennially blooms around us...buried within deep silence and reachable only by that..only by dispersing the layers of formed and crusted ideas. Cut through that and find that silent center and !VOICI! !EMAHO! the secret is revealed and it is awe itself...can only be witnessed with direct experience. Silence...the death of ideas...the road to awe...to power.



Tapahritsa talked about this...the grandfather of Dzogchen....in essence saying what Turin so poignantly said. Vision is the master....what we see...the secret's inside of what we are surrounded by...the silent experience of it.

[Guest]

I am what i am. Nothing more nothing less curious still about what on Earth are you.

[Mornings Son]

If you ask me?

I am This

[Guest]

I never asked and never cared. I stated

[Mornings Son]

'The first each (of the 3.000) heads one at the time;
the second was to reach the mysterious state called place of no pity;
the third was to pay for the instantaneous annihilation of the 3.000 headed monster with one's symbolic death'
Nagual Julian
I wonder how to do the symbolic death.
There is a tradition where one digs ones own grave and the gets buried alive for one night.
Maybe Sun dance is the same too?
Going to the place of no pity. How to learn to go there?
Killing one head a time... that is recap and a long walk.. I still walk

[dreamgirl]

Mornings Son wrote: 
Going to the place of no pity. How to learn to go there? 

Perhaps bringing back the topic of Wu Wei would be beneficial.  I have accessed this place before, but with no volition of my own.  I do not even remember what the circumstances were, but I do know that 
it just came upon me.  I was able to make a decision in a rapid, clear, precise fashion that I was unaccustomed to.  I remember marveling while I was talking and making a decision how clear and impartial I was feeling, I then realized that I was at the place of no pity, not a harsh place at all, but fast, decisive and to the point.  Typically I make a decision on feeling (which I often confuse with thinking), so this was a novel experience.  I did nothing to get there, it just came about, and I went with it(Wu Wei).  Well, I say I did nothing to get there, but daily meditation and energy clearing probably helped.

[glance left]

I know that state you are talking about, and agree...it is a wonderful thing. Wouldn't it be fantastic to simply remain suspended in that crystalline state? No excessive concern for the self schmutzing our view and draining our energy? Just clean clear transmission of energy/personal power right through into our circumstances? I think so I am learning to seek, find and abide in that state as often as I possibly can, yes ma'am

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I wonder how to do the symbolic death.

There is a tradition where one digs ones own grave and the gets buried alive for one night.

Maybe Sun dance is the same too?



Going to the place of no pity. How to learn to go there?



Killing one head a time... that is recap and a long walk.. I still walk-MS



The symbolic death is used to lose the human form. Dig the grave but without the preparation you'll just like in your own piss. Place of no pity is an ap that a nagual being must be able to live in for most of their life or access when it is time for survival.



The recap is harder the longer the walk, do it while your young is my suggestion.

[NagualHuman]

For me Symbolical Death is act of forgetting;leaving behind, turning an old and framed sheat of paper into dust, everytime I come through symbolical death is like heartfreeing respite.
Everytime someone speaks about it I get a flash of Phoenix.

I heard about North Indian practise of symbolic death, almost drowning one's self in a bathtub and withholding as long as possible through the contractions of lungs, I blacked out one time doing this,
also I have heard about very ancient Southern Indian practise by drowning one's self in symbolical yet heartfelt tears rof inevitability, my friend from Russia use method consisting of using words and driving on the intent of "*** you/this".

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