Forcing Silence.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The best way to begin dreaming is to go to sleep with inner silence. With practice using intent you can set up dreaming from there. Do it over and over and
over. One must crawl before one can walk right?


IF you have a difficult time doing this, here is a aid that the old seers used:


Take thin rocks and hold them between your fingers


(Crystals work the best).


Silver or metal rods would also be excellent choices.


Go to sleep with your fingers separated by these types of objects.


Keep a journal when you do this to record what you have seen. Try and recall the images and save
them.


Of course rings are a must for anchoring to the human body and many of us do this anchoring when we sleep with rings on.


Separating the fingers in these ways for some odd reason will silence the internal dialogue allowing one freedom and escape into real
dreaming.


I will also tell you this. If you want to have a dreaming relationship with someone or even to setup dreaming with a group it will be quite easier if you know
each others real names and not nicknames for online discussion and forums like this one. Use their real names
to setup dreaming with intent as I have explained before.


Of course knowing someone's real name can be used against them by sorcerors. Hopefully there will be trust in this.


To begin or end the association it must be voiced in dreaming. The best time to do this is of course right when one enters this state. Hope this helps...




Lone Wolf

[white eagle wolf]

I'm going to try this.

[DoktorGreen]

I heard of this technique many years ago. There was a group in California that used it. They sold finger and toe separators for use in the night, since it was claimed that any other separators would fall out during sleep. I never tried it.
Here is another technique for lucid dreamers:
First, one must be able to sustain one's self in the dream after awakening. Once one has the ability to stay there without waking in the body, and has learned to traverse about, fly, etc., then try this.
Look around and find an inanimate object (chair, rock, whaatever). FOCUS the attention on the object. After a second or two, command yourself to AWAKEN. Do this out loud in the dream. If you are not able to stay in the dream, yet, you will simply wake up. If, as stated earlier, you are trained to hold the dreaming awareness, then this technique will move you to a higher, more fluid world! The dream world you start in will fade away in about a millisecond, and you will find yourself in a new one. Notice what you are wearing in the first world, and take notice again in the next one. The clothes will show you that you are wearing much less of your worldview in the higher place. Try this until you can stay in the new world; it will be a challenge at first. The technique will allow you to go even higher, if your baggage and inventory will accommodate it. In each subsequent dreamworld, power works differently. Emotions might create the environment, or thought, or knowing, etc. This works well for the advanced dreamer. Good traveling!

[mamalama]

thanks for the info on the rings and the tips on getting to the more fluid level you speak of. can you describe to me the qualitative differences between it and the phase just before it?
some years back i was trying different dream exercises, learning to journey, and had several dreams in a row that started as a regular dream then passed through a buzzing sound into what might be described as a more fluid level. i could stay aware that i was dreaming easily so it went on a long time, sometimes i could toggle in and out of the dream to an awake state then back into the same dream, I went through the tunnel and then did an instant replay, sometimes i saw people in my room with me, one visited several times and did Reiki on me or something.
encountered other people in this fluid level? animals? have you ever heard of the buzzing thing before?

[DoktorGreen]

Hi mamalama!
Yoour questions are relative to the individual's dreamworld. In a given realm, power works in a consistent way, however, how you manifest it is a product of your awareness, mood, stomach content, experience, and so on. As an example, a realm near to this one might use emotions as the factor in creating your worldview for that place. Consequently, it will be different for each person, depending on their emotional control and development. Another realm might use thought, or a combination of thought and the subconscious. So, you can see how it will be different for everyone. A Nagual will direct his apprentice to a dream domain that can be readily used for teaching. Without a Nagual/guide, one is traveling in very dangerous waters. To enter an altered state without the map and understanding of the workings in place there is like deep sea diving without an airtank. Do a little snorkeling on your own, but find a qualified guide. There is nothing more important.

[elvana]

mamalama (funny nick:-)),
probably Dr.Green refers to what is defined by Carlos Castaneda as the second gate of dreaming. You reach it, when you can consciously change from one dream into another. Some go to sleep in one dream, and wake up in the next dream. I simply tell myself 'I want to change the dream' and in the next moment I am in another dream. Only by experience you learn to investigate the realms, by traveling you learn to distinguish the quality of feelings and beings that you encounter while travelling. That does not neccessarily imply a change of consciousness at first. You need to be experienced to notice that you yourself attained extra sensory abilities. When this happens, when in dreaming, you will enter the realms Dr. Green talked of. But then you are already in front of the third gate.
You need a lot of guts to travel without a guide. It is very dangerous. It is possible though to do it alone, as my experience proves it. But I sure was about to drown...

[DoktorGreen]

More fun and learning! Once awake in the dream, start jumping. Jump high! You may find you can jump like you are on the moon! As you get higher, intend to stay up there. Try 'swimming' through the air, if you have difficulties. The resistance you feel while 'swimming' through the air is a reflection of your baggage. A little fear or anxiety will make you feel like you're flying through jello! Relax, it's fun! You may have a physical-type form.
There are many more gates than Dr. Castenada mentioned. There are 10 pure worlds within the 'Bands of Man'. There are hundreds of realms between them. Each realm 'vibrates' at a particular rate. Technically speaking, you dream (lucid or not) in the realm that your personal vibration matches. Each position of the AP is a different 'vibration'. The objective of the apprentice is to manipulate intent. Perception is the product of intent. The dreamer manipulates intent. Consequently, the more one indentifies one's self as the dreamer, the more one can intend. Becoming the dreamer is a result of hunting power and living as a warrior.

[explora]

doktor green..
just letting you know that i think your words of wisdom, are really just great.. very worthwhile to share your advice..
thanks.. nick

[mamalama]

The states I experienced in some journeys were more like taking my etheric body into a parallel dimension. Lucidity is still controllable with intent, you can still move around -- in the state where I encountered my dream helper, I could barely move and my intent didn't have a whole lot of impact. I want to know what that level was "for", and I want to experience more levels and learn their bounty.
When all this bizarre stuff was happening, I'd read Seth, was learning to meditate and journey, and practicing High Magick. If I had been reading Casteneda, I would have been too afraid to try anything. Sorcerer training must be more dangerous when you're overly rational, as Carlos was. I swing hard the other way. I know this is a dream.
Are "Nagual" and "witch" the same? Being mostly of northern European heritage I am okay with the term. I feel my witch blood -- power finds me, and teachers, and visions. I see relationships with elementals and animals and weather, and experience the aliveness of the world. But my intuitive feeling is that like does attract like, so if I take fear into the journey, I'll be in danger all the time, just like Carlos. But to enter with respect, humility and awe feels safe to me. Does anyone else feel this way?
Shamans helped their tribes in various ways -- Carlos was more teacher than anything. Sorcerers on this site, do you work toward a goal, like ending war and oppression, or do you see this as a path of self development (change yourself and the world changes)? I'd like to pursue LDing and journeying to help my tribe because I've experienced the awesome power of it. I don't want fear to stop me, but I do wish to proceed safely, with the utmost respect. I'd appreciate comments from the group on the danger aspect.

[DoktorGreen]

Naguals, nahuals, nagals, etc., each have their own predilection toward a particular dreaming group. There are 7 dreaming groups. A nahual will colour his training methods with his own dreaming group's focus. Here are the dreaming groups:
1. Lions- I destroy and create. I act.
2. Elephants- I gather all. I love.
3. Tigers- I seek cooperation. I think.
4. Bears- I fight for harmony. I battle.
5. Foxes- I must learn. I plan.
6. Wolves- I am free. I feel.
7. Dragons- I build. I conjure.
Also, each of us is naturally aligned to one of the 4 directions, and this will also colour a nahual's teaching.
Here are the 4 directions and their inherent characteristics for males:
East. Knowledge, discrimination.
West. Intent, light through darkness.
South. Courage, honour.
North. Choosing between old and new, harmony, balance.
And for females:
East. Death, forbearance, destiny.
West. Fluidity, freedom and change, mixed abundance.
South. Impeccability, vitality, guidance.
North. Strength, stability, peace and success.
Ultimately, the facts and objectives remain the same. A person must find the type of teacher that fits him. The guide will only accept those that are leaning naturally in the directions that make them good apprentices for him. A nahual with a predilection for the east will be philosophical. West; occult. South: mystical. And north: pragmatic.
The danger that exists in the alternative realms is that without a qualified guide, one can be hooked by any number of entities. Many have webs that snare the foolish traveler and can lead to several lifetimes of entrapment in a path that is purely for the energetic feeding of the trapper. Would you know the difference? There are other concerns, as well. The warrior's shield is most important. This is the shield: a warrior is wide awake, fearful, respectful, and fully assured.
The warrior's path is a selfish one. By that, I mean that we work to become warriors and to be impeccable. Those around us benefit, as well. The planet at large will be soon going through major changes, brought about by the end of a major cycle. I suggest any that read this research that and realize the urgency of your own situation. A possible starting point is:
www.galacticmaya.com/engl...erview.htm
I do not endorse this interview, however, it offers a beginning point for research.
DG

[white eagle wolf]

The extensive knowledge shown in your posts are very appreciated, Doktor Green.
I musts say however that the teachings of my tradition, the Yaqui Coyote lineage are a little different from some of the animal dreaming relationships you have posted here. There are even differences in the directional qualities as well. . . however I can verify that as a nagual(in-training) of the South, I am quite mystical.
In your opinion, would a teacher-student relationship with the one of the Death Defiers be a detrimental thing? I have learned a great deal from such an interaction, but their trickery is so constant that it can feel tiresome at times.
Aho!
Coyote Cuervo

[DoktorGreen]

Having never encountered a death defier, I can only say what my benefactor revealed to me. He said these beings lead an absolutely miserable existence. Their extensive knowledge is an attractive lure, but there is no way to gain any leverage on them. They are superb stalkers and none can gather knowledge from them without paying a serious price. I seek no interaction with them.
There are many lineages. These are the teachings of my tradition. It differs from the mesoamerican and native american traditions, in that it does not teach the first ring of power; focusing on the second and third (one learns the first as a result of learning the second).
Toltec seers escaped from Atlantis to several areas around the world. In addition to Central America, lineages flourished among the Egyptians, Chaldeans, Peruvians, Akkadians, and Tibetans. Smaller groups scattered to Europe, Africa, and Asia. Toltecs are truly at the heart of all the world's civilizations. Upon arrival in the physical realm, there were seven groups of seven nahuals, along with the rest of us. These are the seven I listed, according to the history I was taught. We are not Sorcerers, per say, as we rely on using power in an inclusive way and use no rituals.

[HerbaMatey]

Apparently I'm a western lion. Fascinating post, Dok.

[elvana]

Dr.Green,
first I want to say thank you for your generous way of sharing your knowledge with us. I tried to look for you tonight in my dreams, but was only confronted with my dreaming body several times. At least I did some great flights with that awareness, bearing in mind to intend to stay up there and do this swimming movement.
The knowledge you post is only an oral tradition I suppose, or I have no notion of any books published on a 8th, 9th or 10th dreaming gate, which I was desperately looking for. Not regarding the worlds that open up past the fifth gate.
I myself have noticed the importance of 2nd attention when I discovered the realms past the second, third gate and 4th gate. I concluded there should be a connection between the first attention and second attention to establish a new perspective for human civilization. That link does not exist yet. The Toltec way of separating the the first ring of power with it's first attention from 2nd attention would open up a completely new possibility for Western civilization to me: There could a link be established that is grounded in the culture of our civilization.
The old religions only referred to 2nd attention by the method of 'believing in God', and some scientific movements of the old religions like the Gnostics also taught 2nd attention to introduce the apprentice to higher forms of awareness. Their methods though ignore worldly ways of living, worldly needs and a pragmatic outlook on life. It is of no relevance for a Tonal that is not familiar with the facts of 2nd attention.
That are pragmatic reflections of me on having knowledge of 2nd attention and being enthusiastic about empirical sciences.
mamalama,
Castaneda in my point of view got caught in some kind of war that exists in some vibrations of 2nd attention. He presumably lost control over his emotions. If that is true, I would interpret, that he missed to follow certain ethic rules that grant you survival in 2nd attention. He simply fell a prey to power in my opinion. He was a great writer though and was able to tell us about the Yaqui way of knowledge as taught by the Nagual Don Juan. If you take Juans advises only, you are save. I've never read anything better on techniques to get to know 2nd attention. Closest to that system of knowledge is maybe the Tibetans Buddhism, as far as I know. If you are a beginner, use for example the I Ging. It introduces you in a very descriptive way to the conditions you would be confronted with in 2nd attention, and how you can react to the universal laws that govern our lives (as long as we don't have any notion of them in terms of a thinking process).

[white eagle wolf]

Very Interesting Doktor,
My teacher speaks also of seven sacred lineages of Toltec Wisdom. The nagual is one who is initiated into the tradition of the sacred sacrificial fire, the Sozmee. However, the Coyote is definitely one of the main leineages in the Toltec perspective. We are a healing tradition dealing with the plant medicine. The plants are the first ring of power, and the second ring begins once all the ancient wisdom of the plants has been ingested. This is a very safe way to proceed into the further attentions. I would know nothing of the second attention if it weren't for the plant powers that pushed me into that realm of consciousness. However, I do tend to focus on the second attention without an incredible amount of ground in the first. I will have to work my ass off to attain Grandfather's knowledge and to work off karmic baggage, but I am intent on this task.
You may be surprised to know that all these teaching about dreaming and stalking were not passed on by the old incarnation of Don Juan, but by the Tenant him(her)self. The Toltecs don't find teaching in such categorical manners practical. The same kinds of things are learned naturally as one walks the Infinite Path, however.
The Coyote is similar to your description of the Elephant.

[DoktorGreen]

White Eagle,
What you call the Somzee, we refer to as the Fires of the Forge. I understand that the Coyote lineage is a major Toltec lineage, as is the Jaguar tradition, among others. I believe these differences are a result of cultural evolution, since my tradition is historically Eastern Toltecism. Hence, Elephants and Tigers instead of Coyotes and Jaguars. Nevertheless, the lineages have served their purpose, in that they have survived to bring man another chance at this time. They are finished now.
Elvana,
The first ring of power require rituals and works in a separative, or subtractive manner. The electrical center used is the Sacral, or gonads. The second ring is acessed through the heart center, or thymus gland. It works inclusively. The third ring is used when the mind (pituitary gland) and pure intent (pineal gland) are fused together(the nahual). The first ring is a reflection of pure intent. That is the link you were alluding to. All things are endowed with inherent intent, or pure intent. The Eagle intends inclusiveness; it intends that the manifestation it allows evolves its awareness, by experience. It intends that a prerequisite of the intelligent evolution of awareness recognizes and acts with inclusivness.

[explora]

hi everyone,
i noticed elvana that you were referring to a link between the first and second attention, for our human society.
the other night, i believe, this is exactly what my dream was telling me. i was reading about 4 steps/areas/facets for improved awareness in our society. it was written by don juan.
i remember the 4th was a word that seemed to express, sharing this awareness with others.
i shamefully forgot all the words. i can say that they were very interesting. i need to reenter the dream.

[elvana]

explora,
I think you refer to the box we have been dreaming of in the Wheel (for everybody else: Explora and me participate in a private dreaming group). The box played a key role in the dreams of several dreams of the Dreaming Wheel participants. It has got four sides and thereby for aspects, that refer to the Tonal. I've been using the aspect of the four sided box to establish the Tonal (first attention) in my awareness of the 2nd attention. By experience I can tell you, it works really well. It is also known in Judaism. The priest wear a black squared box on their forehead on certain occasions.

Dr. Green and White Eagle Wolf,
yes plants can be a guide to 2nd attention if the 'Tonal' of the plants would be still active. But a lot of the plant awareness is about to die, due to pollution and to man's perspective on life in my experience. All that is lain on our shoulders is red blood from creatures that move around. So to me a more abstract way of approaching 2nd attention would be more appropriate. And here comes Dr. Green and tells us about intent. I also believe that the
quote Dr.Green

And this way the Tonal reacts. It is never going to accept a loss freely (think of your isurance company). So how come you define the way to second attention subtractive when the Eeagle itself intends everything inclusive?

[DoktorGreen]

Elvana,
The approach to the second attention is not subtractive.... the nature of the first ring of power is divisive, or subtractive, in that the user does not see him/her self as being at-one with power. Thus, psychotropics and rituals are used to attempt to manipulate power. The 'will' is used and this a 'forced manipulation' of power. This is not pure intent; it's a 'reflection' of intent, technically reflecting from the pineal gland to the gonads. I call it the power of the tonal.
By contrast. inclusiveness is the manifestation of the Eagle's intent. It is known as the 'Eye of the Eagle'. When one acts with inclusiveness, one sees power and acts to facilitate it's movement. This is unconditional love, meaning that one has accepted the Eagle's commands as one's own commands. In truth, we are all individual units of the one life and upon realizing this, we are compelled to acknowledge the inter-relationship of all life!
DG

[jacka1z]

Hi Doktor,
Unconditional love is my main calling. And I remember that being a interesting way to look at the writings of Castaneda. Seeing energy now inclusively, and seeing the love that binds us together throughout the infinite universe. Yet also seeing preditorial side of the universe equally throughout the universe, yet loving unconditionally anyway. And not just passively loving but building a powerful respectful love that includes all energy in its embrace, even when it appears to be against me. But of course, I don't let it hurt me, if I can help it.

[elvana]

Dr.Green,
I was reflecting on your definition of the quality of the Tonal's awareness. You probably came to a divisive definition, because the Tonal's awareness dwells in dark emanations. Their vibrations are very slow, so the refraction of the emanations outside is hardly perceived. Only little of the light outside gets to the inside of the Tonal's awareness. Also the Tonal is repulsive towards higher speeds of vibrations, when the Tonal sticks to bad habits, like greed, hatred, worries.
I was having two dreams on the nature of the Tonal since Sunday. I dreamt, the Eagle was exhaling a cosmic fire and the fire was alive. It consisted only out of beings. This fire though was also producing smut, as a result of burning out. The nature of the body is that of smut, like the flesh and bones are a byproduct of the living fire. That's what I dreamt.
The only thing one could do as a body is, to set yourself on fire with a cosmic fire. In my dream that fire looked very colorful, like it was containing all colors of the spectrum, except the color white. The Tonal was left in darkness itself and therefore, as a reaction to the darkness, it would produce these lights. Psychologically speaking a Tonal doing that, had accepted anything in life for good, when confronted with the facts of it's existence.

[olatundearoloye]

>>I will also tell you this. If you want to have a dreaming relationship with someone or even to setup dreaming with a group it will be quite easier if you know each others real names and not nicknames for online discussion and forums like this one. Use their real names to setup dreaming with intent as I have explained before.>Of course knowing someone's real name can be used against them by sorcerors. Hopefully there will be trust in this.

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