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Wolves Lead the Pack
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07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
Wolves carry a tremendous tale of power. Fourteen wolves were reintroduced in Yellowstone National Park and their mere presence reignited an entire eco-system. Adding a few predators into the mix birthed an assortment of other opportunities for nature to flourish.
07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
It's an amazing story which brings so much into view! Thanks, NM
I like the interplaying elements that I'm inextricably a part of, and yet can pull back from and observe.predator/prey interplay....being a part of its merciless interweaving self-reiterating/self-consuming pattern of predator/prey. Feeling compelled to play either of these roles from one moment to the next . And then the capacity to detach, pull back and observe from a perspective beyond predator and prey. Beyond scale.... Scale! The wolf and its prey...whatever it is stalking. The pack and the interplay there. The dynamism between the alphas and the betas within that group. And then the ecosystem how the pack affects that system which they've are introduced back into. Scale....pulling back further....further....further. The ecosystem.....the earth....the solar system....the galaxy. Even galaxies compete, incredibly! The Antenna galaxies......two alphas colliding, revolving around each other, biting each other's tales until they're both gone...consumed and become something the same, but different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antennae_Galaxies Another element of scale to consider. The wolves are apex predators, assuredly, reassuming dominance in the ecosystem they've been reintroduced to. But they're not really "on top", are they? They were trapped/sedated and captured....bred in captivity....then carted from who-knows-where to somewhere else and reintroduced by a more dominant species....humans. So then, are we at the apex? On top? No, not really, if the notion of the source of the flyer mind is to be believed. Captured and compelled by a more sophisticated species directing thoughts to compel behavior for whatever purposes drive that force. How can I understand it, from my level, what's being done to me? I can't...its beyond me. Like the wolves can't comprehend what's being done to them, for the most part. All they know is to reassume their defined roles once transplanted from one system which they instinctively understand to another, without a further thought about what the hell just happened. The moral of the story is, for me looking at the whole of it: There's always someone with a bigger fork
07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
Yes, this is a magnificent story that teaches balance and that every creature has a place and right to live in our world. (And that we should not stick our fingers into what we do not understand... hehe). What happened in Yellowstone seems like a miracle .
The wolf has not been in Yellowstone for some 70 years... and what a difference that made to the world in that park! (As wiki tells us: The creation of the national park did not provide protection for wolves or other predators, and government predator control programs in the first decades of the 1900s essentially helped eliminate the gray wolf from Yellowstone. The last wolves were killed in Yellowstone in 1926. They were again introduced in 1995.) I am lucky to come from a country where the wolf and bear have not been eradicated. However, the country where I live now eradicated their wolf and bear populations (even the lynx at one point, all of its mountain predators basically) and now after over one (or two?) centuries wolves and bears started coming here again (coincidentally, the first female wolf sighting happened in the same year that I arrived , the males came some five years earlier but many of them were shot. Now there is a third round of pups. Everything seems so well documented here hehe). One of my favorite books about the wolf is Never Cry Wolf (I read that when I was in my early teens), which help in debunking the ignorant/silly ideas about wolves. There is a documentary of a French-speaking team that went into one of the big national parks in Canada (the size of Europe's countries). Places where humans do not go and probably where a human has not been for a very very long time. Places with no roads whatsoever. They had a camera and their plan was to film how a wolf who does not know humans will react to meeting one. So, one of them was the explorer and another one or two were the crew and filmed it. I watched it on TV and back then I did not speak as much French as I do now and I barely understood. Luckily a person was with me who told me stuff they said. Why do I say this? Because it was like a real life version of Never Cry Wolf for me
07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
glance left wrote:It's an amazing story which brings so much into view! Thanks, NM
I like the interplaying elements that I'm inextricably a part of, and yet can pull back from and observe.predator/prey interplay....being a part of its merciless interweaving self-reiterating/self-consuming pattern of predator/prey. Feeling compelled to play either of these roles from one moment to the next . And then the capacity to detach, pull back and observe from a perspective beyond predator and prey. Beyond scale.... Scale! The wolf and its prey...whatever it is stalking. The pack and the interplay there. The dynamism between the alphas and the betas within that group. And then the ecosystem how the pack affects that system which they've are introduced back into. Scale....pulling back further....further....further. The ecosystem.....the earth....the solar system....the galaxy. Even galaxies compete, incredibly! The Antenna galaxies......two alphas colliding, revolving around each other, biting each other's tales until they're both gone...consumed and become something the same, but different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antennae_Galaxies Another element of scale to consider. The wolves are apex predators, assuredly, reassuming dominance in the ecosystem they've been reintroduced to. But they're not really "on top", are they? They were trapped/sedated and captured....bred in captivity....then carted from who-knows-where to somewhere else and reintroduced by a more dominant species....humans. So then, are we at the apex? On top? No, not really, if the notion of the source of the flyer mind is to be believed. Captured and compelled by a more sophisticated species directing thoughts to compel behavior for whatever purposes drive that force. How can I understand it, from my level, what's being done to me? I can't...its beyond me. Like the wolves can't comprehend what's being done to them, for the most part. All they know is to reassume their defined roles once transplanted from one system which they instinctively understand to another, without a further thought about what the hell just happened. The moral of the story is, for me looking at the whole of it: There's always someone with a bigger fork Fascinating about the Antennae Galaxies. I feel so small when I'm informed of two interacting galaxies progressing through a starburst phase lol. Friction, like to sort the galaxies are engaging, is creating new life. The galaxies are colliding and entangled in one another and when they're done they'll form a new energy; something different for each, but similar to one another. It's as beautiful as an interplay of energy between two minds. What an inspiring concept; fighting galaxies. All that you mention about the who's at the top is hilarious. Humans believe we are--and in a limited perception, we are. In other perceptions, we are not. I think context plays a huge factor in determining who is at the top. So when it comes to forks, when I meet someone who has a larger fork than myself I change the context. I might toss out my utensil and use my hands. It's not the size of the fork, it's how quickly one can change context (adapt to change) xD I'm glad you found many layers of meaning in the wolf pack video I found it inspiring too. It made me ask, "What else is possible? Could there be a different way to organize the order of events? What would those outcomes look like? How can this be applied to other situations to foster growth?" I like it when people or things make me think.
07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
I missed your post glance - it was posted too close to my own reply. Only now do I see it thnxs to NM replying.
glance wrote: Like the wolves can't comprehend what's being done to them, for the most part. All they know is to reassume their defined roles once transplanted from one system which they instinctively understand to another, without a further thought about what the hell just happened. I wrote:Yes, this is a magnificent story that teaches balance and that every creature has a place and right to live in our world. (And that we should not stick our fingers into what we do not understand... hehe). I think the wolves - or we by extension - do not have to understand everything. The important thing is to know what we should do for everything to work as it should . And if we have a good link with spirit we do just that and sometimes, if we are lucky we understand. Sometimes we understand somethings. But it can takes years and sometimes it never happens. Is not living life to the fullest what matters? It matters more than knowing everything. Someone might know and never really live, another might live amazingly and not know the deeper connections. I guess a balance here should be struck while preferring the living amazingly . I'd (prefer to) think most animals are able to live amazingly. Yea, I know about the Antennae Galaxies. Quite interesting indeed . Glance, I love how you expanded the picture for us in this thread
07-03-2017, 12:00 AM
watergaze wrote:. . . (coincidentally, the first female wolf sighting happened in the same year that I arrived . . .
One of my favorite books about the wolf is Never Cry Wolf (I read that when I was in my early teens), which help in debunking the ignorant/silly ideas about wolves. . . . Why do I say this? Because it was like a real life version of Never Cry Wolf for me The deluge of letters received by the Canadian Wildlife Service from concerned citizens opposing the killing of wolves testifies to the growing significance of literature as a protest medium. Modern Canadians roused to defend a species that their predecessors sought to eradicate. By the 1960s the wolf had made the transition from the beast of waste and desolation (in the words of Theodore Roosevelt) to a conservationist cause celebre....Never Cry Wolf played a key role in fostering that change.— Karen Jones, "Never Cry Wolf: Science, Sentiment, and the Literary Rehabilitation of Canis Lupus", The Canadian Historical Review vol.84 (2001) I love coincidences What a beautiful lesson Never Cry Wolf offers. An awareness that all that is misunderstood is often thought of as dark or bad. For me, I view the wolves in the story as the mental health field where there are so many creative geniuses labeled as "different, undeserving, unvalued, misunderstood, unwanted" the list goes on. Society largely doesn't know what to do with people who fall under the diagnosis of "mentally-ill". There's nothing wrong with these people, they don't require fixing. They merely require unconditional love and encouragement, just like the rest of humanity. There are many groups who are misunderstood the way the wolves were and it's very cool to see that a book (literature) is what opened the gate to expanding human insight into the realm of nature. Now if only we would do that for every dark and misunderstood aspect of life, humanity may learn something lol. We might even discover there's no such thing as "bad". Thanks for supporting the wolves
07-04-2017, 12:00 AM
"So when it comes to forks, when I meet someone who has a larger fork than myself I change the context. I might toss out my utensil and use my hands. It's not the size of the fork, it's how quickly one can change context (adapt to change) xD " NM
Shifting/adapting like this is key, I know The capacity for expansion and contraction facilitates this. Expansion to detach to an overseeing perspective in order to change contexts...and then contract to play a new role in that new context. "Is not living life to the fullest what matters?" WG I agree. It goes to creating space for alignment, which you brought attention to in your "creating space" thread. This alignment brings a certain fluidity of intent into whatever role I'm playing, I've noticed. Things just seem to move more naturally in this context....to "fall into place", in a manner of speaking. To bring this space of alignment and fluidity into wherever I am is my hearts desire. If I am to be a wolf, then may my being one help bring a natural balance to the ecosystem I'm being a wolf within
07-05-2017, 12:00 AM
Karen Jones wrote:The deluge of letters received by the Canadian Wildlife Service from concerned citizens opposing the killing of wolves testifies to the growing significance of literature as a protest medium. Modern Canadians roused to defend a species that their predecessors sought to eradicate. By the 1960s the wolf had made the transition from the beast of waste and desolation (in the words of Theodore Roosevelt) to a conservationist cause celebre....Never Cry Wolf played a key role in fostering that change.yes, in this sense, the Canadians really are amazing .
The documentary (that I spoke about before) proved that wolves under natural conditions - not ill, in their normal habitat where they have enough food, and not taught to fear humans or feel the need to defend against them - are curious and not threatening to humans - who behave respectfully and unmenacingly. The person who did this first encounter had quite the experience. In the past, there were attacks of wolves on humans and even killings of children - for example in Russia and I think India too. I know more about the Russian incidents, there it was the case that starvation and lack of food played a role and, in some cases, it is thought the wolves had rabies. The wolf is still a creature who wants to survive (just like some humans were reported to resort to cannibalism under threat of death from starvation - which is actually worse cause you are eating your own kind - should we now eradicate every human cause of it? obviously a rhetorical question lol). The few ill (with rabies) individual wolves should not define how one treats the whole species. Never Cry Wolf helped people see the real wolves and stop faulty information or ignorance. For example that wolves are not twisted and cruel as was thought before (but totally loveable ). If wolves had been ill - all of them with rabies - the people would have tried to heal them (if that were deemed possible). And if they had been shown to be really twisted and sadistic then the people would either not have fought for them or would have eradicated them even more. NM, I agree with what you write about the "unvalued, misunderstood, unwanted" (undeserving Im not sure about, depends if with good reason heh), as long as we keep the "mentally ill" out of it - cause that term is too broad for me. When thinking of unvalued, misunderstood and unwanted I do not imagine perverts who harm other people because something fucked up in their brain or hormones or who knows where. Those kinds of ill people and animals need help. NM, like one of your memes said 'a good friend is not an enabler.' Having said that, I agree, that mentally ill people (who are not under the category that I talked about above) do not need fixing. Sure, one can help them align with humanities normal AP if that is what they wish or whatever, but I do not think it is a must. Just that maybe if they are not self-sufficient and need to rely on others for help then it might be a problem for them too. NM wrote:Now if only we would do that for every dark and misunderstood aspect of life, humanity may learn something lol. We might even discover there's no such thing as "bad". yep. glance wrote: If I am to be a wolf, then may my being one help bring a natural balance to the ecosystem I'm being a wolf within Shamanically speaking, this would then be one of the medicines that one can learn from a wolf ally |
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