Toltec teacher Sergio Magana

[Mornings Son]

What do you think about his teaching and him?

[serloco]

I just watched the first 5 minutes and had to stop watching. His understanding of the tonal and nagual was weak to me, and he didn't know where he was going with it. Merging the tonal with the nagual is an easy and natural process that is easy to explain for me, and not what he was going into with his knowledge. Its when unknown awareness becomes activated and made into perceptual experience. He should have described the known awareness leaving your perception and unknown awareness taking form, thus exchanging the tonal for the nagual.

[watergaze]

hey. thnx for sharing this here MS. I was amazed how he described the mirror practice, disappearing the face and that. I have been doing that since young. was amazed he mentioned that as their core practice . I also did not know it links so well and clearly with dreaming during the night too. I also noted the egg practice he mentioned. I did that in a dream, it was fascinating how the egg showed the energy patterns of the person's bubble egg. I had no idea this is actually a thing / practice. He is also the first person apart from one shaman I know who linked the back and front attention. etc . Seems to me this guy could share a lot of practical information, and practices.

serloco, seems to me he was interrupted there with the merging. And then he chose to explain it from the dream perception point. As he is it seems in the dreaming teaching.

The man is going from tradition and talking in a certain setting. Notice how he puts the focus on the words' meaning. It seems very important to him to explain the word, like the meaning flows from the language. And it does, to an extent. He has been taught in this setting and a lot of his understanding came to him this way. However, we are not in this tradition and for us it might be more sensible if he explained more directly. But he goes the way he goes because that is how his tradition is. I dont need to know tonal is sun and whatnot, but for him that is important but to another it might seem irrelevant to the practical things. Every time he is explaining something he gets an aside on the language meaning (which not always seems to me as the best thing to spend the time on , although it is interesting and helps understanding especially since they spend so much on it and bring it together to an extent later, so I see how it would all be very valuable to understand for the bigger picture, but we are only getting a smaller picture here in the hour of the talk, so the content should be more adjusted to that imo, many more important things to be said than the language background of a zillion words and names, and why some numbers are important to them).

I would be more interested in the practices than the theory of the numbers and earth sun rotating and whatnot. Though that is also interesting, the practices are more important .

(I have yet to watch the second part..)

MS, what did you think?

[Littlepaw]

serloco wrote:His understanding of the tonal and nagual was weak to meHis kung Fu is no match for your style

[Xlyer]

The crocodile tip worked for me. Without the mirror practice or much recap.
Of course the money wasn't anything substantial(coincidence? maybe...most likely). Still worth looking into imo. Ive heard of the egg practice when i was a younger.From vomiting hair afterwards to a rotten yolk coming after a session.
Its interesting in its own respect, although ive only heard from second hand accounts.

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