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The following post was deleted and banned over in the Sustained Reaction forum. Looks like good meaty stuff for those who want to *see*
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The human condition is so fascinating! And the theory presented by the Sorcerers of Don Juan's Lineage is incredible. I really enjoyed reading the thread on 'Richard de Mille Books'. Just the idea of someone sitting down to read these for the first time presents a perfect way to illustrate the Theory of Sorcerers.
Of course in order to illustrate or show the depth and the power of anything 1 thing it has to be contrasted with it's complete opposite hence the name of this thread. The AverageMan is going to sit down and read de Mille's books. Why is he doing this? He probably want's to expand his knowledge of the Castaneda or he wants to gain the conviction that all that Castaneda talked about was rubbish. In any case this person is wanting to read de Mille's books for a sense of power - the power of learning, the power of knowing the truth, the power of ______. - whatever it is.
The theory of sorcerers state:
"Power rests on the kind of knowledge that one holds. What is the sense of knowing things that are useless? They will not prepare us for our unavoidable encounter with the unknown."
Using this statement as a tenet (A tenet is one of the principles on which a belief or theory is based) I can test it against the actions of the Averageman on his way to power by reading de Mille's books. If one is in control of their reasoning and logic capabilities lots of questions should pop up in this exercise (most Averagemen do not know how to use logic and reasoning and have to rely upon experts or outside sources to 'tell them what to think).
Questions: What kind of power is gained in reading de Mille's books? After reading these books what kind of knowledge will the reader hold? It is usefull knowledge (depends upon what kind of power the reader is after) or it is useless knowledge? Is it for the reader to decide if the knoweldge gained is useful or useless? Luckily, this basic principle in the Theory or Sorcerers presents us with a rule of thumb, a way to measure the usefulness or the uselessness of knowldege gained by reading de Mille's books. If the knowledge gained is usefull then it will aid in the unavoidable encounter with the unknown. If the knowledge is useless then it wont.
It's easy enough to imagine the scenario whereby one has read de Mille's books and is stuffed and filled with knowledge and upon the day they die or even less so dramatic - upon falling asleep at night and encountering the unknown of the dream world - does the person have chance to survive their encounter with the unknown? Are they going to stop their death or raise their awareness (same thing) by the power gained from the knowledge found in the de Mille books?
Reading the de Mille books is a useless act. Further evidence of this acts uselessness can be gained by employing another principle from the Theory of Sorcerers:
"A warrior takes responsibility for his acts, for the most trivial of his acts. An average man acts out his thoughts, and never takes responsibility for what he does."
The reader of the de Mille books probably just wants to read the books cuz it'd be a cool thing to do. He or she will feel more informed and perhaps even feel some kind of expertise on all things Castaneda - in effect he will be able to de-brain wash himself from the fact that he will and does have unavoidable encounters with the unknown all the time. And in reading the de Mille books the person will succeed in brainwashing himself into the more than common, everyday AverageMan bliss wherein he can blame everyone else for his boredom, for the lack of mystery in his life and for being duped by Castaneda. When he's done with the de Mille books his thoughts will be complete on the matter. And he won't have to worry about taking responsibility for using his own reason, logic and intuition because he's heard it from an expert who has schooled him in the correct ways to use logic and reasoning when conversing upon or thinking of/and/or about the works of Castaneda.
But of course, the Theory of Sorcerers is all encompassing and there is a way the person reading the de Mille books could turn his act into a power. This can be done by understanding and employing the following principle in the Theory of Sorcerers:
"The average man is aware of everything only when he thinks he should be; the condition of a warrior, however, is to be aware of everything at all times."
more later . . .
The UnknownPoet
"The sorcerers' experience is so outlandish that sorcerers consider it an intellectual exercise, and use it to stalk themselves with. Their trump card as stalkers , though, is that they remain keenly aware that we are perceivers and that perception has more possibilities than the mind can conceive." POS
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"The average man is aware of everything only when he thinks he should be; the condition of a warrior, however, is to be aware of everything at all times."
Everything at all times? TheAverageMan reading de Mille's book sits in a chair surrounded by - what - an engineer would answer - electromagnetic fields, and the atomic physicist would say - atoms, and on and on, - in each and every case whatever he is surrounded by is whatever he thinks it should be. The Sorcerer in sitting and reading the book is "keenly aware that we are perceivers and that perception has more possibilities than the mind can conceive"(pos.c).
The statement or principle begets perhaps many questions, one that come to my mind is how do I know if I am keenly aware that .. . . Dot de Dot Dee Dot. POS more later . . .
"The sorcerers' experience is so outlandish that sorcerers consider it an intellectual exercise, and use it to stalk themselves with. Their trump card as stalkers , though, is that they remain keenly aware that we are perceivers and that perception has more possibilities than the mind can conceive." POS
Well if you want to be a Sorcerer you have to have a Sorcerers experience. One requirement seems to be the experience of something outlandish. What is outlandish sitting around and reading a book the debunks Castaneda? idk - however, what about the link Sorcerers are supposed to have with Intent? Is it in their intentionality? I could test it and see.
With every flip of the page does the AverageMan Perhaps do something with his intentionality? Does he think - 'oh good point and then turn the page" - or does he think - 'i've got to check on dinner in 10 minutes and then turn the page? idk - however, the sorcerer intends something with his or her intent every time he or she turns a page. He or she is interested in testing their individual link to Intent - just to see if they can fulfill the intellectual exercise. On the one hand it is an intellectual exercise being able to remember to intend to turn the page with the intention to ______- what ever you like - (find hands in dreams, journey to atlantis, experience the heart of dying son). Even conceiving of having such an intention in first place advances the requirement that a sorcerers experience is constitutionally outlandish.
Now with every turn of the page the Sorcerer must intentionally intend to be aware of going lucid at lucid any moment or experiencing something more outlandish. If the Sorcerer succeeds in reading an entire book flipping the page with whatever experience one chooses they will have realized that
" . . . the very act he is performing now may well be his last battle on earth. I call it a battle because it is a struggle. Most people move from act to act without any struggle or thought. A hunter, on the contrary, assesses every act; and since he has an intimate knowledge of his death, he proceeds judiciously, as if every act were his last battle. Only a fool would fail to notice the advantage a hunter has over his fellow men. A hunter gives his last battle its due respect. It’s only natural that his last act on earth should be the best of himself. It’s pleasurable that way. It dulls the edge of his fright.
"Acts have power. Especially when the person acting knows that those acts are his last battle. There is a strange consuming happiness in acting with the full knowledge that whatever one is doing may very well be one’s last act on earth. I recommend that you reconsider your life and bring your acts into that light."
What is the Averageman doing reading de Mille's book?
"Our fellow men are black magicians. If you remain with them, your thoughts and actions are forever fixed in their terms. That is slavery. So, fear your captors, your masters. Don’t waste your time and power fearing freedom."
Perhaps the Averageman fixes his own spirit - his own thoughts and actions - in de Mille's terms. Since the Averageman does not know how to think about complexities of the Sorcerer's world the Averageman would rather go to someone who can simplify the problem of the Sorcery's theory for them. Perhaps the Averagman thinks - that way it will not longer bother him that he's seen something about Castaneda's work but, he is glad and thanks goodness that it's not worth more of his efforts.
When the Sorcerer Succeeds in turning every page of de Mille's book with an outlandish intention she or he 'perceives a possibility that the mind cannot conceive of. And the sorcerer because of her persistence knows that: "Sorcery is the act of reaching the place of silent knowledge, and silent knowledge can't be reasoned out. It can only be experienced."
You can't go around telling people - Hey I'm intending to jump into another world. Or - Hey hi - yeah i'm intending to experience the first three-minutes of time. Wherever you go can't be reasoned out - you witness the culmination of your intentions no matter if you are an Averagman or a Sorcerer is aware this happens and redoubles his or her efforst by hunting his intention and not losing sight of it. In this way as the Theory of Sorcerers prescribes i've notice it my intention directly effecting my dreaming attention for sure.
UnknownPoet008
"At a certain stage, an apprentice enters into heightened awareness all by himself. Heightened awareness is a mystery only for our reason. In practice, it's very simple. As with everything else, we complicate matters by trying to make the immensity that surrounds us reasonable."
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Another Banned Post on Sustained Action - I saw it posted then it was deleted and then posted again. If anyone has any posts being banned just send them to me i'll post them.
Scout1 says:
>motto: Experience is the source of all knowledge. - Edmund Husserl
Yep, ya gotta go the distance to see the other side.
What Castaneda describes is outlandish by far and not in anyway acceptable to the linearity of the socially conditioned (brainwashed) mind.
What is astounding and cannot be over or understressed is the main anthropological view that human beings have no significant predator.
The earth has been around for nearly 5 billion years and every single species that has evolved here on this planet has had a significant predator.
The scholarly evolutionary and anthropological view is that man has no predator. Sure, the scholarly academic view is that Man is unique, we are the only
creatures on the planet that have "intelligence" to the extraordinarily high degree that we exhibit it. And yet the academic view fails to account for the
fact that - just like all the species that came before us - in the long line of evolution- had a predator.
Of course, to take Castaneda at his word and to say that a predator exists that preys specifically on human beings by in large fixing their attention and hence their perception into the stagnant view that this world is all there is (ie. that there are no other worlds for mankind to journey to). It is certainly worthy of investigation.
Has anyone experienced directly the predator? Has anyone used the techniques of Castaneda to 'see' the predator. I know of many religious texts that have been passed down for millenia that describe the existence of demons.
Don Juan is purported to have stated that the Cosmic Predator came 10,000 years ago and enslaved humanity. This around the same time that agriculture started, the domestication of animals began and humans began to live in cities.
Evidence of 'flyers' - the cosmic predator is can be inferred from the paintings on the walls of Catal Huyuk, Central Anatolia, 7400 to 6200 BC. where
-" Vultures are depicted reaching for headless human bodies. The originals are drawn in red."
http://saturniancosmology.org/arch.php
". . . biting after headless corpses. Some vultures are depicted with human feet, actually a close approximation of vulture feet. There are wall sculptures of breasts which include vulture beaks breaking out to form the nipples."
Odd isn't it? Are they describing the invasion of a predator that they could see and depicting how it affected their fellow men and women? The human figures are headless and is the'vulture' replacing their heads, their 'minds'? Why do the vultures have human feet? Didn't Castaneda and don Juan say that the result of the predator eating human awareness is a fringe of awareness that only goes up to the toes?
And what of these ancient peoples worship of bull horns? (see image same page) Archeaologists call a shrine room the "horns of concentration." Was this where these people turned in order to protect themselves, their 'minds' from being eaten? Did they realize a certain degree of concentration was needed so they would not become 'prey' to the vultures (flyers). I think there is evidence here at Catal Huyuk that shows early man was aware of the flyers and these people do show human beings becoming headless, (mindless) humans afflicted with the vultures voracious appetite down to the toe level.
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warrior is stalked by man.
man is stalked by hunter
hunter is stalked by warrior
too many sorcerers hunt their fellow man.. and watch with pity as they enmeshed in folley are lost from the greater awarness.
too few sorcerers have enough respect for the nagual to allow it to flow out of normal mens eyes to make them hunted by the mystery itself.
too few hunters can even fathom the beginning of warriorship.
too many hunters are JUST an example of a failed jump past SOBRIETY!
You need a decade of madness at least every lifetime to break it loose!
SOBRIETY justifies itself..
our world is overrun by sobriety!
How does a sorcerer who has sobriety match up against a christian peado who has sobriety!
ALL THE SOBER MUST FALL!
of all the people who have failed in the battle against sobriety.. it is you the sorcerers who have the awarness to unHINGE sobriety from all men.
a bit of self sacrifice is all it needs!
WARRIORS... but no!
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rosygyro wrote:warrior is stalked by man.
man is stalked by hunter
hunter is stalked by warrior
too many sorcerers hunt their fellow man.. and watch with pity as they enmeshed in folley are lost from the greater awarness.
too few sorcerers have enough respect for the nagual to allow it to flow out of normal mens eyes to make them hunted by the mystery itself.
too few hunters can even fathom the beginning of warriorship.
too many hunters are JUST an example of a failed jump past SOBRIETY!
You need a decade of madness at least every lifetime to break it loose!
SOBRIETY justifies itself..
our world is overrun by sobriety!
How does a sorcerer who has sobriety match up against a christian peado who has sobriety!
ALL THE SOBER MUST FALL!
of all the people who have failed in the battle against sobriety.. it is you the sorcerers who have the awarness to unHINGE sobriety from all men.
a bit of self sacrifice is all it needs!
WARRIORS... but no!OOOiii
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is it so?
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Most honourable people would "will" what i say to be true!
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although i love battling sorceric will.. sooner or later there needs to be a coherant underlying group will to serve all our purposes whilst we argue about personal view!
when this underlying purpose seeps under normal man and exudes from his untapped nagual quotient you will become a warrior!
HUnting others power = EASY..
Nagual hunting you = not so easy!
1=2=3=1=2=3=1=2=3=1=2=3
see ..
1=2=3=1=2=3=1=2=3=1=2=3
you cannot become the eagle through hunting.. you must see yourself destroyed through its eyes in order to jump further whilst is savours awarness patterns it wishes to hunt again.-- for that vision you need a warriors path! only through destroying yourself in leftside awarness through a deeper hunternagual to stalk yourself.. can you possibly stalk the eagle before you are consumed.
This may sound a lot like "Let normal people F%%K with your mind!".. but really becuase it is a PATH it is better described as "tap the nagual within the reason for habitual assemblage stasis" and ask to be riddled!
The response from the nagual will either destroy your life completeley or destroy you and rebuild you depending apon response to intitial assemblage warrior shift"..
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"The sorcerers' experience is so outlandish that sorcerers consider it an intellectual exercise, and use it to stalk themselves with. Their trump card as stalkers , though, is that they remain keenly aware that we are perceivers and that perception has more possibilities than the mind can conceive." POS
Assembled knowledge various books:
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I've described to you in the past the concept of stopping the world and that it is as necessary for sorcerers as reading and writing are for the average man. It consists of introducing a dissonant element into the fabric of everyday behavior for purposes of halting the otherwise smooth flow of ordinary events--events which are catalogued in our minds by our reason.
The dissonant element is called not-doing , or the opposite of doing . Doing is anything that is part of a whole for which we have a cognitive account. Not-doing is an element that does not belong in that charted whole.
Sorcerers, because they are stalkers , understand human behavior to perfection. They understand, for instance, that human beings are creatures of inventory. Knowing the ins and outs of a particular inventory is what makes a man a scholar or an expert in his field.
Sorcerers know that when an average person's inventory fails, the person either enlarges his inventory or his world of self-reflection collapses. The average person is willing to incorporate new items into his inventory if they don't contradict the inventory's underlying order. But if the items contradict that order, the person's mind collapses. The inventory is the mind. Sorcerers count on this when they attempt to break the mirror of self-reflection.
Only a human being who is a paragon of reason can move his assemblage point easily and be a paragon of silent knowledge. Only those who are squarely in either position can see the other position clearly. That was the way the age of reason came to being. The position of reason was clearly seen from the position of silent knowledge.
The one-way bridge from silent knowledge to reason is called "concern." That is, the concern that true men of silent knowledge have about the source of what they know. And the other one-way bridge, from reason to silent knowledge, is called "pure understanding." That is, the recognition that tells the man of reason that reason is only one island in an endless sea of islands.
A human being who has both one-way bridges working is a sorcerer in direct contact with the spirit, the vital force that makes both positions possible.
Their trump card as “stalkers”, though, is that they remain keenly aware that we are perceivers and use sense data in utterly ordinary situations to forge a dreaming body. The dream body can only be reached by working on it here in the daily. If you want to 'appear' in dreaming you have to show up in the daily world.
There is a critical mass trigger in the body that launches an inviduals consciousness off into the the more abundant, extremely filled living universe that exists. That is if you are a sorcerer. If you're not trained then your self-reflection crashes into piles of rubble and self-pity and sharp points of self-importance. When the sorcerer shatters his own mirror of self-reflection, as Genero used to say, BOOOM! BOOM! BOOM! . . . the sorcerer experiencing the dreaming body. The averageman's mind collapses into defeat or bewilderment and then hate.
The sorcerer is unattached to the world and specifically uses sounds, tastes, touches, smells, and sights of the world to 'feed' the dream body. The dream body is hungry for and the averageman has never been taught how to feed it. It doesn't feed on self-pity nor self-importance. The dream body feeds on sense data. A sorcerer knows this and will as he's working away at McDee's or something, relabel the sound of a fan with his own intentional label - the sound of fan is now something abstract because the sorcerers intends to roam the greater universe.
The sorcerer may intend to experiences the finding of his hands in his dreams. Or she may intend to experience the course of evolution on Earth. A sorcerer with a dedicated not-doing practice has an abstract intention always going. It creates the dissonance needed to reach the 2nd set of practice whereby the sounds, tastes and textures, etc., of the world are transmuted by the sorcerers very will. The Sorcerer collects the abstract sensory information in the environment by paying attention to it. Listenining intently to the sound of the fan, circling my attention onto the not-doing and back again to the idea that don juan spoke of:
"A warrior-hunter knows that his death is waiting, and the very act he is performing now may well be his last battle on earth. I call it a battle because it is a struggle. Most people move from act to act without any struggle or thought. A hunter, on the contrary, assesses every act; and since he has an intimate knowledge of his death, he proceeds judiciously, as if every act were his last battle. Only a fool would fail to notice the advantage a hunter has over his fellow men. A hunter gives his last battle its due respect. It’s only natural that his last act on earth should be the best of himself. It’s pleasurable that way. It dulls the edge of his fright."
Sorcerers are known to prepare elaborate, rich, delicsious meals or simple snacks and can devour an entire meal with the sole intention of manifesting any thing they that strikes a tune with the spirit at large: finding their hands in the dreams, or flying in their dreams or turning into another kind of animal. Every morsel of the meal eaten as if were his last. The taste, the touch, the feel of it on his tongue. All these incredible sensations/sense data channeled directly to an abstract intent.
The Sorcerers call it: The Calling of Intent.
A Sorcerer/Warrior calls out his name into the vastness and loudly states his intention. Then he works his butt off keeping to that decision to eat breakfast every morning with his abstract intention. Overtime, even this new habit will slowly collect abstract sense data into his/her body and with persistence a critical mass is reached. And Shazam!! There it all is! An immense waking in dreaming.
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when you jump you jump with everything you are . . .
http://theavantgardeexist...ter-9-atoms-of-body.html
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if we have sorcerers and average men!
and sorcerers are so much more powerful at intending than average man!
then why dont sorcerers intend for average man to awaken or for certain average troubles to cease!
seems to me average man is at the mercy of selfish sorcerers.
and as the average man makes up the flow of civilisation that sorcerers are at the mercy of average man!
still dont understand how anyone can imagine a jump point to an infinite journey off a planet full of people who are not free!
freedom for the planetary people first.. then design a jump!
You wanna jump to infinity from a crappily behaved planetary consiousness then your will is in direct opposition to my intent!
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rosygyro wrote:
too many sorcerers hunt their fellow man.. and watch with pity as they enmeshed in folley are lost from the greater awarness.
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a bit of self sacrifice is all it needs!
WARRIORS... but no!Mmmhhhmmmm!
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According to the theory of sorcerers:
“He (Don Juan) said that a warrior had no compassion for anyone . For him, to have compassion meant that you wished the other person to be like you, to be in your shoes, and you lent a hand for that purpose. The hardest thing in the world is for a warrior to let others be. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can afford to help anyone——to his understanding every effort to help on our part was an arbitrary act guided by our self interest alone.”(271) La Gorda
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UnknownPoet008 wrote:According to the theory of sorcerers:
“He (Don Juan) said that a warrior had no compassion for anyone . For him, to have compassion meant that you wished the other person to be like you, to be in your shoes, and you lent a hand for that purpose. The hardest thing in the world is for a warrior to let others be. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can afford to help anyone——to his understanding every effort to help on our part was an arbitrary act guided by our self interest alone.”(271) La GordaThanks UnknownPoet008
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Your welcome Seer.
the following from http://terebess.hu/english/fire5.html
"What do you mean by that, don Juan?"
"I mean that they used the rolling force to shift their assemblage points to unimaginable dreaming positions, instead of letting it roll them to the beak of the Eagle to be devoured."
The Death Defiers
I arrived at Genaro's house around 2: 00 p. m. Don Juan and I became involved in conversation, and then don Juan made me shift into heightened awareness.
"Here we are again, the three of us, just as we were the day we went to that flat rock," don Juan said. "And tonight we're going to make another trip to that area.
"You have enough knowledge now to draw very serious conclusions about that place and its effects on awareness."
"What is it with that place, don Juan?"
"Tonight you're going to find out some gruesome facts that the old seers collected about the rolling force; and you're going to see what I meant when I told you that the old seers chose to live at any cost."
Don Juan turned to Genaro, who was about to fall asleep. He nudged him.
"Wouldn't you say, Genaro, that the old seers-were dreadful men?" don Juan asked.
"Absolutely," Genaro said in a crisp tone and then seemed to succumb to fatigue.
He began to nod noticeably. In an instant he was sound asleep, his head resting on his chest with his chin tucked in. He snored.
I wanted to laugh out loud. But then I noticed that Genaro was staring at me, as if he were sleeping with his eyes open.
"They were such dreadful men that they even defied death," Genaro added between snores.
"Aren't you curious to know how those gruesome men defied death?" don Juan asked me.
He seemed to be urging me to ask for an example of their gruesomeness. He paused and looked at me with what I thought was a glint of expectation in his eyes.
"You're waiting for me to ask for an example, aren't you?" I said.
"This is a great moment," he said, patting me on the back and laughing. "My benefactor had me on the edge of my seat at this point. I asked him to give me an example, and he did; now i'm going to give you one whether you ask for it or not."
"What are you going to do?" I asked, so frightened that my stomach was tied in knots and my voice cracked.
It took quite a while for don Juan to stop laughing. Every time he started to speak, he'd get an attack of coughing laughter.
"As Genaro told you, the old seers were dreadful men," he said, rubbing his eyes. "There was something they tried to avoid at all costs: they didn't want to die. You may say that the average man doesn't want to die either, but the advantage that the old seers had over the average man was that they had the concentration and the discipline to intend things away; and they actually intended death away."
"What do you mean by that, don Juan?"
"I mean that they used the rolling force to shift their assemblage points to unimaginable dreaming positions, instead of letting it roll them to the beak of the Eagle to be devoured."
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http://www.theshiftofcons...ness.info/castaneda.html
Over the past twenty years, I have written a series of books about my apprenticeship with a Mexican Yaqui Indian sorcerer, don Juan Matus. I have explained in those books, that he taught me sorcery, but not as we understand sorcery in the context of our daily world: the use of supernatural powers over others, or the calling of spirits through charms, spells, or rituals to produce supernatural effects. For don Juan, sorcery was the act of embodying some specialized theoretical and practical premises about the nature and role of perception in molding the universe around us. Following don Juan's suggestion, I have refrained from using shamanism, a category proper to anthropology, to classify his knowledge. I have called it all along what he himself called it: sorcery.
On examination, however, I realized that calling it sorcery obscures even more the already obscure phenomena he presented to me in his teachings. In anthropological works, shamanism is described as a belief system of some native people of northern Asia, prevailing also among certain native North American Indian tribes, which maintains that an unseen world of ancestral spiritual forces, good and evil, is pervasive around us and that these spiritual forces can be summoned or controlled through the acts of practitioners, who are the intermediaries between the natural and supernatural realms.
Don Juan was indeed an intermediary between the natural world of everyday life and an Unseen World, which he called not the supernatural, but the Second Attention. His role as a teacher was to make this configuration accessible to me. I have described in my previous work his teaching methods to this effect, as well as the sorcery arts he made me practice, the most important of which is called the Art of Dreaming. Don Juan contended, that Our World, which we believe to be unique and absolute, is only one in a Cluster of Consecutive Worlds, arranged like the Layers of an Onion.
He asserted, that even though we have been energetically conditioned to perceive solely Our World, we still have the capability of entering into those other realms, which are as real, unique, absolute, and engulfing as Our Own World is. Don Juan explained to me that, for us to perceive those other realms, not only do we have to covet them (crave for them), but we need to have sufficient energy to seize them. Their existence is constant and independent of our awareness, he said, but their inaccessibility is entirely a consequence of our energetic conditioning. In other words, simply and solely, because of that conditioning, we are compelled to assume, that the World of Daily Life is the one and only possible World. Believing, that our energetic conditioning is correctable, don Juan stated, that sorcerers of Ancient Times developed a set of practices, designed to recondition our energetic capabilities to perceive. They called this Set of Practices the Art of Dreaming. With the perspective time gives, I now realize, that the most fitting statement don Juan made about dreaming was to call it the "Gateway to Infinity." I remarked, at the time he said it, that the metaphor had no meaning to me.
"Let's then do away with metaphors," he conceded. "Let's say, that Dreaming is the Sorcerers' practical way of putting ordinary dreams to use."
"But how can ordinary dreams be put to use?" I asked.
"We always get tricked by words," he said. "In my own case, my teacher attempted to describe Dreaming to me by saying, that it is the way Sorcerers say Good Night to the World. He was, of course, tailoring his description to fit my mentality. I'm doing the same with you."
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On another occasion don Juan said to me: "Dreaming (Out-Of-Body experiences, LM) can only be experienced. Dreaming is not just having dreams; neither is it daydreaming or wishing or imagining. Through Dreaming we can perceive Other Worlds, which we can certainly describe, but we can't describe, what makes us perceive them. Yet we can feel how Dreaming opens up those Other Realms. Dreaming seems to be a sensation, a process in our bodies, an Awareness in our Minds."
In the course of his general teachings, don Juan thoroughly explained to me the principles, rationales (logical explanations), and practices of the Art of Dreaming (Out-Of-Body experiences, LM). His instruction was divided into two parts. One was about Dreaming Procedures, the other about the purely abstract explanations of these procedures.
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1. Sorcerers of Antiquity: An Introduction
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Don Juan stressed, time and time again, that Everything, he was teaching me, had been envisioned and worked out by men he referred to as Sorcerers of Antiquity. He made it very clear, that there was a profound distinction between those Sorcerers and the Sorcerers of Modern Times. He categorized Sorcerers of Antiquity, as men, who existed in Mexico perhaps thousands of years before the Spanish Conquest, men whose greatest accomplishment had been to build the Structures of Sorcery, emphasizing Practicality and Concreteness. He rendered them as men, who were brilliant, but lacking in Wisdom. Modern Sorcerers, by contrast, don Juan portrayed as men, renowned for Their Sound Minds and Their Capacity to rectify the Course of Sorcery, if they deemed (considered) it necessary. Don Juan explained to me, that the Sorcery premises (statements) pertinent (suitable) to Dreaming, were naturally envisioned and developed by Sorcerers of Antiquity. Out of necessity, for those premises (statements) are the Key in explaining and understanding Dreaming, I again have to write about and discuss them. The major part of this book is, therefore, a reintroduction and amplification of what I have presented in my previous works.
"During one of our conversations, don Juan stated that, in order to
appreciate the position of Dreamers (Out-Of-Body-Travellers) and
Dreaming, one has to understand the struggle of modern-day Sorcerers to
steer (move) Sorcery away from Concreteness towards the Abstract.
"What do you call Concreteness, don Juan?" I asked.
"The practical part of Sorcery,"
he said. "The obsessive fixation of the Mind on practices and
techniques (rituals), the unwarranted influence over people.
All of these were in the realm of the Sorcerers of the Past."
"And what do you call the Abstract?"
"The Search for Freedom, Freedom
to perceive, without obsessions, all that's humanly possible. I say
that present-day Sorcerers seek the Abstract, because they seek
Freedom; they have no interest in Concrete Gains. There are no social
functions for them, as there were for the Sorcerers of the Past. So
you'll never catch them being the official Seers or the Sorcerers in
residence."
"Do you mean, don Juan, that the Past has no value to modern-day Sorcerers?"
"It certainly has value. It's
the taste of that Past, which we don't like. I personally detest the
darkness and morbidity of the Mind. I like the Immensity of Thought.
However, regardless of my likes and dislikes, I have to give due credit
to the Sorcerers of Antiquity, for they were the first to find out and
do everything we know and do today.
Don Juan explained, that their
most important attainment was to perceive the Energetic Essence of
things. This Insight was of such importance, that it was turned into
the basic premise (statement) of Sorcery. Nowadays, after lifelong
discipline and training, Sorcerers do acquire the capacity to perceive
the Essence of things, a capacity they call 'Seeing' (seeing Energy
instead of things).
"What would it mean to me to perceive the Energetic Essence of things?" I once asked don Juan.
"It would mean that you perceive
Energy directly," he replied. "By separating the social part of
perception, you'll perceive the Essence of Everything. Whatever we are
perceiving is Energy, but since we can't directly perceive Energy, we
process our perception to fit a Mold (don't accept this Mold: break it
mentally, turn it into Energy, LM).
This Mold is the social part of our perception, which you have to separate."
"Why do I have to separate it?"
"Because it deliberately reduces
the Scope, of what can be perceived, and makes us believe, that the
Mold, into which we fit our perception, is all that exists. I am
convinced that for human to survive now, his/her perception must change
at its social base."
7
"What is this social base of perception, don Juan?"
"The Physical Certainty, that the World is made of Concrete Objects. I
call this a social base, because a serious and fierce effort is put out
by everybody to guide us to perceive the World the way we do."
"How then should we perceive the World?"
"Everything is Energy. The Whole Universe is Energy. The social base of
our perception should be the Physical Certainty, that Energy is All
There Is !
A mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive Energy as Energy. Then we would have both Alternatives at our fingertips.
"Is it possible to train people in such a fashion?" I asked.
Don Juan replied that it was possible, and that this was precisely,
what he was doing with me and his other apprentices. He (Don Juan) was
teaching us a
new way of perceiving:
first, by making us realize, that we process our perception to fit a Mold;
second, by fiercely guiding us to perceive Energy directly. He assured
me, that this method was very much like the one, used to teach us to
perceive the World of daily affairs" (and to create the Mold of our
social physical Life, this method was the opposite to what we should do
here now , and it was/is used
on 4th Level of Consciousness, to prepare the New Players of our
Planetary Game till our Game is over! This method was described by
R.Monroe as well !)
Don Juan's conception was that Our Entrapment in processing our
perception to fit a Social Mold loses its power when we realize, we
have accepted this Mold, as an inheritance from our ancestors, without
bothering to examine it.
"To perceive a World of hard Objects, that had either a positive or a
negative value must have been utterly necessary for our ancestors'
survival," don Juan said. '"After ages of perceiving in such a manner,
we are now forced to believe that the World is made up of Objects."
"I can't conceive the World in any other way, don Juan," I complained.
"It is unquestionably a World of Objects. To prove it, all we have to
do is bump into them."
"Of course it's a World of Objects. We are not arguing that."
"What are you saying then?"
"I am saying, that this is first a World of Energy; then it's a World
of Objects. If we don't start with the premise (statement), that it is
a World of Energy, we'll never be able to perceive Energy Directly.
We'll always be stopped by the physical certainty, of what you've just
pointed out: the Hardness of Objects."
His argument was extremely mystifying to me. In those days, my mind
would simply refuse to consider any way to understand the World, except
the One, with which I was familiar. Don Juan's Claims and the Points,
he struggled to raise, were outlandish propositions, that I could not
accept, but could not refuse either.
"Our way of perceiving is a Predator's Way," he said to me on one
occasion. "A very efficient manner of appraising and classifying food
and danger. But this is not the only way we are able to perceive. There
is Another Mode, the One I am familiarizing you with: the Act of
Perceiving the Essence of Everything, Energy Itself, directly.
"To perceive the Essence of Everything will make us understand,
classify, and describe the World in entirely new, more exciting, more
sophisticated terms." This was don Juan's Claim. And the more
sophisticated terms to which he was alluding were those, he had been
taught by his predecessors, terms, that correspond to Sorcery Truths,
which have no rational foundation and no relation whatsoever to the
facts of our daily World, but which are self-evident Truths for the
Sorcerers, who perceive Energy directly and See the Essence of
Everything. For such Sorcerers, the most significant act of Sorcery is
to See the Essence (Energies) of the Universe. Don Juan's version was,
that the Sorcerers of Antiquity, the First Ones to See the Essence of
the Universe, described it in the best manner. They said, that the
Essence of the Universe resembles Incandescent Threads (yellow at that
Time, but now they are White), stretched into Infinity in every
conceivable direction, Luminous (White) Filaments (M-Field, LM), that
are Conscious of Themselves in ways impossible for the Human Mind to
comprehend.
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Good one Lightwolf, yet I sort of miss one thing from you - wtf is the point of this post in this thread??
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UnknownPoet008 wrote:According to the theory of sorcerers:
There is no theory in sorcery, only action!
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Ah, there is always theory with action.
Certainly a warrior strategizes every action.
But what is her driving strategy?
What does she aim to do in the dream mists that come at night.
Say unto these these dreams, of a similar occurrence a fortnight ago?
you can't just whence, whim, or quance' about it.
There's always theory and infinite theories upon infinite theories . . .
of light gesturing to itself . . . and gesturing to the other . . .
how often have you fell asleep at night gesturing your light to the other,
__ _ __
From: http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan6.html
"The compulsion to possess and hold on to things is not unique. Everyone who wants to follow the warrior's path has to rid himself of this fixation in order not to focus our dreaming body on the weak face of the second attention.
The dreaming body , sometimes called the "double" or the "Other," because it is a perfect replica of the dreamer 's body, is inherently the energy of a luminous being, a whitish, phantomlike emanation, which is projected by the fixation of the second attention into a three-dimensional image of the body.
The dreaming body is as real as anything we deal with in the world. The second attention is unavoidably drawn to focus on our total being as a field of energy, and transforms that energy into anything suitable. The easiest thing is of course the image of the physical body, with which we are already thoroughly familiar from our daily lives and the use of our first attention. What channels the energy of our total being to produce anything that might be within the boundaries of possibility is known as will .
At the level of luminous beings the range is so broad that it is futile to try to establish limits--thus, the energy of a luminous being can be transformed through will into anything.
We are not merely whatever our common sense requires us to believe we are. We are in actuality luminous beings, capable of becoming aware of our luminosity. As luminous beings aware of our luminosity, we are capable of unraveling different facets of our awareness, or our attention. That unraveling could be brought about by a deliberate effort, as we are doing ourselves, or accidentally, through a bodily trauma.
The old sorcerers deliberately placed different facets of their attention on material objects. By unraveling another facet of our attention we might become receptors for the projections of ancient sorcerers' second attention. Those sorcerers were impeccable practitioners with no limit to what they could accomplish with the fixation of their second attention.
__ __ ___
That fixation maintaining and maintaining it, as an inherent and whole other worldly experience, produces a core 'understanding' of what don Juan and Carlos Castaneda talked about.
'Sorcery (is) a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise.' 'Shamanism is a journey of return. A warrior returns victorious to the spirit, having descended into hell. And from hell he brings trophies. Understanding is one of his trophies.' --Don Juan
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(((((((((((Los Angeles August 1995 - 4
To: The Ixtlan Mailing List
From: genrich@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:23:46 -0400
Los Angeles Intensive Tensegrity Workshop, August 6, 1995
Combined Groups - Sunday Afternoon Lecture - Carlos Castaneda
[The cafeteria this time was set up with chairs in three sections: in front
and on either side of the platform. The distance between the front rows of
chairs and the platform was 15 or more feet. The first two rows were reserved
for Castaneda's party, and as it neared 4 PM, Florinda Donner and Carol
Tiggs, along with the Blue and Orange Scouts, Taisha Abelar, Amalia Marquez
and the Chacmools filled in the first row. Others of the party, including
Fabrizio, Tracy Kramer, Raoul and Phillip made up the second row. The Scouts
had left some large envelopes (one looked like it was made up to look like a
fanciful pig) on front row chairs for Florinda and Taisha and others.
Castaneda took the platform wearing a light gray suit, with a light blue
shirt, dark blue tie and black shoes.]
Castaneda's first comments were "Why are you so far away? Why this distance?
I want proximity! Who set up the chairs?" [Florinda said, "Fabrizio."] CC
continued jokingly, "Ten points down!" After hesitating about having us move
up, everyone in the crowd finally dragged their chairs forward so they were
right up next to the platform. CC responded that, "I heard something unique
today -- the rumble of chairs. Extraordinary!" Then he explained that he was,
"going to talk about the Warrior's Path, but I want you to ask questions. But
not personal kinds of questions [meaning questions relating to ourselves]."
[He gave as an example a question someone had asked him the previous day
about the meaning of some magical word they'd heard. CC, of course couldn't
answer. The person had heard it in dreaming or something. This led CC to talk
about "dreaming."]))))))))))))))))
"Dreaming is a very serious affair. It requires discipline. Otherwise it's
just lucid dreaming, dealing solely with the concerns of the toes," i.e.,
self reflection. "But that [self reflection] is not what you will find in
that infinity. Knowing that, the sorcerers curtail their ego and personal
identity as much as possible. If I say something caustic, I don't mean it,
it's just to help you stop that 'me, me, me' fixation. To make you stop for a
second. If we could stop being eaten for a moment, our awareness would begin
to rebuild." DJ was a master at stopping this "me, me," fixation -- the idea
that "I am the center of the universe and I am receiving messages from
everywhere."
"I went to an astrologer as Joe Cortez; I paid $180. The woman said, 'Joe,
you're a mess. Your heart chakra is impinging on your throat chakra, your sex
life is terrible. You have a terrible complex about your race, don't you?
White women drive you insane.'" CC just hung his head and acted like she was
right. Then he went back six months later as Carlos Castaneda. And the woman
screamed, "Wow, what a beautiful, a beautiful, uh, uh" she couldn't find the
words. "Your brilliance equals the brilliance of my spiritual advice," or
some nonsense to that effect. "We like that, we fall for it." CC received a
letter from a man who wrote, "My spiritual advisor tells me my energy is just
like yours. I don't know exactly what he means, but do you need me?"
"I'm in Spain giving a lecture to a room full of Spaniards. You don't know
what it's like to talk to a room full of Spaniards. They all sit there like
this [he mimics their stone faced, serious looks]. My best jokes -- nothing!
Then a man stands up and asks, 'What do you see when you look at me?' I said,
'Uh, uh, I see you.' The man responds, 'Don't you see I'm just like you? You
have three compartments of energy; I have five!' CC says, 'Oh, how could I be
so dumb? I look at you and all I see is a turd.'
"There's nothing you could ask me about yourselves that is relevant to this
maneuver, to eliminating the weight of "ME." To get to our true heritage! We
have let something win by default. We're not present. You've taken the
trouble of coming here -- make it worthwhile! The Chacmools are giving you
200% They have selected the best exclusively for this occasion." Castaneda
advised us that perhaps it is worthwhile to cease encumbering the self, and
turning ourselves into egocentric beings. "Ultimately, we're all going to
die. Sorcerers say why don't you make this time extraordinary? You won't do
it again."
"People talk about reincarnation. I was very involved with the Self
Realization Fellowship when I was young. Paramahansa Yogananda held my hand."
He described receiving a mailer after an event there, and going up afterwards
to the shrine in Mount Washington [an area in Los Angeles north of downtown]
"and this divine, exquisite man held my hand. I liked the idea of what they
were doing." But DJ said, "Reincarnation is putting too much emphasis on the
self." CC told him about the theory that we come back as humans nine times
until we are perfect, at which point we can go to heaven. DJ said that the
emphasis on man coming back nine times is absurd; it puts an egocentric
emphasis on man. What about the animals and birds -- they evolve into humans?
What would the top be? I never found anyone who was at the top." DJ told him
he could give him a better explanation for sorcerers, "You have four
grandparents, eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents,
thirty-two great-great-great-grandparents. At the end of 1,000 years you have
10 million people contributing to you. All the ideas of reincarnation are
based on fleeting images people have. Why don't you think the fleeting images
come to you from your genetic frame -- your great-grandmother? Having a quick
image means you were someone else? We have ideologies that we wouldn't have
if we were on our own. The idea of us coming back over and over again is
absurd. I would like to leave you with this desire to really think, not
repeat descriptions of procedures we don't really understand but which we
just find easy to repeat. Sorcerers like DJ are down to earth, they are
really pragmatic, sober beings -- they use their brain."
"I came from a university setting. Don Juan asked 'What are you doing there?
You're not having a romance with knowledge; you are just going to be a
professionist.' He accused me of being an ****. 'What you are is a "bored
***."' I responded, 'What, what?'" He explained to CC that there are two
ways of conceiving children. The first is in "tremendous passion. It is
especially great if the mother is really excited. If she has an orgasm,
you're in great shape." The opposite is "the conception of a 'civilized man,'
who comes home late and says, 'No Honey, don't wake up.'" [He mimics the
woman being awakened in the middle of the act.] The result of this is "a
bored *** -- conceived in boredom -- 'civilized man.' People sleep together
in the same bed, mandatorily. I know a man whose wife is huge and she takes
over the bed, and snores. [He mimics the man squeezed up at the other edge of
the bed.] "And in the morning, when he's at the office, he's snoring. I know
a couple who wear matching pajama outfits," complete with the little night
cap with the little ball dangling in their face. The wife nags at the man to
blow the cap back. [He mimics the man blowing it back.] "Once every three
months, he has an erection. And he says, 'Oops, Honey what do we have here?'
They've had two children like that. I know what Don Juan meant"-- these
civilized man products "have no chance to jump into the inconceivable. They
are literal minded, go by the letter, and can't deviate. And Don Juan used to
say I was like them. He said, 'You think your mother was excited?' The more I
thought, the more desperate I got. 'Your father?' The more I thought, 'This
is a man incapable of anything.'" If you don't know this about yourself, "You
spend energy right and left as if you had loads of it. But nothing is final
for sorcerers. If you hold onto your energy, you can be like those conceived
under the best conditions. And your discipline will take you further yet.
Nothing is final. We have to know where we are first; otherwise, we spend all
our energy uselessly. Inexorably we are being led by something. That's what I
want to leave you with when you return home. We tell our parents, especially
our mother, to go *** herself. '*** you!' Then you end up doing exactly
what she wants. Always, one way or another. That's not a revolution. Like in
movies now, there's no possibility of leaving out the phrase, '*** you,' or
'Let's kick ass.' That's how we protest, with three letter words. Then we
have to go confess." [He mimics someone going to confession about saying
four-letter words.]
"Anger is an idiotic way of protesting. Revolution is the refusal of
surrender. You don't give up, no matter what, even bored *** that you are,
there's enough to get a shiver from this. The Warrior's Way includes
reinforcement of certain premises that are final if what we want is to face
infinity. For what? Don Juan says to go through whole. There is a force that
goes through us and when you die, sorcerers found out that the force that
takes your life experiences lent you your energy for you to enhance with your
experiences. And in the end it takes it back. The fact that the
disintegrating force takes the awareness of those experiences back, however,
doesn't mean it has to take our life force."
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IUnknownPoet008 wrote:
1. Sorcerers of Antiquity: An Introduction
6
Don Juan stressed, time and time again, that Everything, he was teaching me, had been envisioned and worked out by men he referred to as Sorcerers of Antiquity. He made it very clear, that there was a profound distinction between those Sorcerers and the Sorcerers of Modern Times. He categorized Sorcerers of Antiquity, as men, who existed in Mexico perhaps thousands of years before the Spanish Conquest, men whose greatest accomplishment had been to build the Structures of Sorcery, emphasizing Practicality and Concreteness. He rendered them as men, who were brilliant, but lacking in Wisdom. Modern Sorcerers, by contrast, don Juan portrayed as men, renowned for Their Sound Minds and Their Capacity to rectify the Course of Sorcery, if they deemed (considered) it necessary. Don Juan explained to me, that the Sorcery premises (statements) pertinent (suitable) to Dreaming, were naturally envisioned and developed by Sorcerers of Antiquity. Out of necessity, for those premises (statements) are the Key in explaining and understanding Dreaming, I again have to write about and discuss them. The major part of this book is, therefore, a reintroduction and amplification of what I have presented in my previous works.
"During one of our conversations, don Juan stated that, in order to
appreciate the position of Dreamers (Out-Of-Body-Travellers) and
Dreaming, one has to understand the struggle of modern-day Sorcerers to
steer (move) Sorcery away from Concreteness towards the Abstract.
"What do you call Concreteness, don Juan?" I asked.
"The practical part of Sorcery,"
he said. "The obsessive fixation of the Mind on practices and
techniques (rituals), the unwarranted influence over people.
All of these were in the realm of the Sorcerers of the Past."
"And what do you call the Abstract?"
"The Search for Freedom, Freedom
to perceive, without obsessions, all that's humanly possible. I say
that present-day Sorcerers seek the Abstract, because they seek
Freedom; they have no interest in Concrete Gains. There are no social
functions for them, as there were for the Sorcerers of the Past. So
you'll never catch them being the official Seers or the Sorcerers in
residence."
"Do you mean, don Juan, that the Past has no value to modern-day Sorcerers?"
"It certainly has value. It's
the taste of that Past, which we don't like. I personally detest the
darkness and morbidity of the Mind. I like the Immensity of Thought.
However, regardless of my likes and dislikes, I have to give due credit
to the Sorcerers of Antiquity, for they were the first to find out and
do everything we know and do today.
Don Juan explained, that their
most important attainment was to perceive the Energetic Essence of
things. This Insight was of such importance, that it was turned into
the basic premise (statement) of Sorcery. Nowadays, after lifelong
discipline and training, Sorcerers do acquire the capacity to perceive
the Essence of things, a capacity they call 'Seeing' (seeing Energy
instead of things).
"What would it mean to me to perceive the Energetic Essence of things?" I once asked don Juan.
"It would mean that you perceive
Energy directly," he replied. "By separating the social part of
perception, you'll perceive the Essence of Everything. Whatever we are
perceiving is Energy, but since we can't directly perceive Energy, we
process our perception to fit a Mold (don't accept this Mold: break it
mentally, turn it into Energy, LM).
This Mold is the social part of our perception, which you have to separate."
"Why do I have to separate it?"
"Because it deliberately reduces
the Scope, of what can be perceived, and makes us believe, that the
Mold, into which we fit our perception, is all that exists. I am
convinced that for human to survive now, his/her perception must change
at its social base."
7
"What is this social base of perception, don Juan?"
"The Physical Certainty, that the World is made of Concrete Objects. I
call this a social base, because a serious and fierce effort is put out
by everybody to guide us to perceive the World the way we do."
"How then should we perceive the World?"
"Everything is Energy. The Whole Universe is Energy. The social base of
our perception should be the Physical Certainty, that Energy is All
There Is !
A mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive Energy as Energy. Then we would have both Alternatives at our fingertips.
"Is it possible to train people in such a fashion?" I asked.
Don Juan replied that it was possible, and that this was precisely,
what he was doing with me and his other apprentices. He (Don Juan) was
teaching us a
new way of perceiving:
first, by making us realize, that we process our perception to fit a Mold;
second, by fiercely guiding us to perceive Energy directly. He assured
me, that this method was very much like the one, used to teach us to
perceive the World of daily affairs" (and to create the Mold of our
social physical Life, this method was the opposite to what we should do
here now , and it was/is used
on 4th Level of Consciousness, to prepare the New Players of our
Planetary Game till our Game is over! This method was described by
R.Monroe as well !)
Don Juan's conception was that Our Entrapment in processing our
perception to fit a Social Mold loses its power when we realize, we
have accepted this Mold, as an inheritance from our ancestors, without
bothering to examine it.
"To perceive a World of hard Objects, that had either a positive or a
negative value must have been utterly necessary for our ancestors'
survival," don Juan said. '"After ages of perceiving in such a manner,
we are now forced to believe that the World is made up of Objects."
"I can't conceive the World in any other way, don Juan," I complained.
"It is unquestionably a World of Objects. To prove it, all we have to
do is bump into them."
"Of course it's a World of Objects. We are not arguing that."
"What are you saying then?"
"I am saying, that this is first a World of Energy; then it's a World
of Objects. If we don't start with the premise (statement), that it is
a World of Energy, we'll never be able to perceive Energy Directly.
We'll always be stopped by the physical certainty, of what you've just
pointed out: the Hardness of Objects."
His argument was extremely mystifying to me. In those days, my mind
would simply refuse to consider any way to understand the World, except
the One, with which I was familiar. Don Juan's Claims and the Points,
he struggled to raise, were outlandish propositions, that I could not
accept, but could not refuse either.
"Our way of perceiving is a Predator's Way," he said to me on one
occasion. "A very efficient manner of appraising and classifying food
and danger. But this is not the only way we are able to perceive. There
is Another Mode, the One I am familiarizing you with: the Act of
Perceiving the Essence of Everything, Energy Itself, directly.
"To perceive the Essence of Everything will make us understand,
classify, and describe the World in entirely new, more exciting, more
sophisticated terms." This was don Juan's Claim. And the more
sophisticated terms to which he was alluding were those, he had been
taught by his predecessors, terms, that correspond to Sorcery Truths,
which have no rational foundation and no relation whatsoever to the
facts of our daily World, but which are self-evident Truths for the
Sorcerers, who perceive Energy directly and See the Essence of
Everything. For such Sorcerers, the most significant act of Sorcery is
to See the Essence (Energies) of the Universe. Don Juan's version was,
that the Sorcerers of Antiquity, the First Ones to See the Essence of
the Universe, described it in the best manner. They said, that the
Essence of the Universe resembles Incandescent Threads (yellow at that
Time, but now they are White), stretched into Infinity in every
conceivable direction, Luminous (White) Filaments (M-Field, LM), that
are Conscious of Themselves in ways impossible for the Human Mind to
comprehend.
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great speculations should go both ways
sure you can speculate that its utter bs
or you could speculate it without doubt and push the envelope castaneda told in his stories
I attended a seminar wherein carlos said aloud to the all of us in attendance, : " _____"
-something to the effect that if he told us the truth of his experiences it'd fry our minds.
When he said, fry our minds, it was insinuated, at least from my perspective, by the tone of
his voice that he meant we would think was lying.
The emblazened scene in our minds is the one where he jumps off the cliff and wakes up in LA!
Certainly we can speculate within the accords of reason that indeed this is false.
But to balance things out so that the whole brain can communicate with itself
you'd have to speculate the opposite way with equal force.
The emblazing speculation
Castaneda's on the cliff with don juan and don juan tells him he's leaving.
Don Juan's silence is in the most pristine condition possible as is Carlos's.
A bird caws in the distance, and thunder can be heard rumbling through the
desert mountains. The thunder gradually turned into the familar force both
of them have supposedly shared during the course of their time together
- the sound Carlos first encountered in his trip to see Mescalito. And
this force is the same one Carlos encountered on the highway ride between
san diego and tucson when he said a dust storm kicked up and blew fury
at him for hours and came along some guy in a truck - a semi the drive
of which pretty much had the same power don juan - the power to call
the vibratory force to your side.
On the mountain top as don Juan is leaving perhaps carlos witnesses this
vibratory force for the first time in a sober state of awareness. Carlos
actually steps into this world as he duly believes it is dream of great
proportions. Here he meets and sees and all of don juan's party. And
he sees his timeline with these new people and see's he and don juan,
as well as three other women and he knows that he has spent a lot
there in the last 13 years dating all the way back to the first time
don juan and carlos met in the greyhound station back then.
They all say good-bye to eachother and vibratory force disappears
in a flash of blinding yellow shine and carlos finds himself on the cliff.
All alone. Longing for this group of people, this memory of this moment
and their departure and yet his first time meeting them from sober awareness.
From here he see's who don juan popped in the back to induce the realm of the vibratory
force into him. He doesn't feel offended, used, or abused by all the different ways, genero
and silvio manuel physically manipulated his body to induce this vibratory world.
idk maybe he spends hours on the cliff writing. If he's a compassionate man he weeps for
the contradiction in his emotional mindset -saying good bye forever to a group of
intimate teachers for whom you are indebted to for-life, and the fact that he's a bumbling
shaman moron who never see them again ever. And he can't have any doubt over the gift
they have given him.
Or is his mind fried and he actually smoked a joint on top of the Hollywood Hills, and
thought about throwing himself off, so that someone would find his short ass, and just
love him and except him for who he is. One his way down he makes some new friends,
drinks 1/3 of a 5th of Jack Daniels and wakes up in the morning not knowing how he
got back home.
he gets outta bed opens a beer and flips open a 1936 facsimile at the UCLA library. Nueva Corónica y Buen Gobierno- 1615, and goes to the chapter in Spanish "Capitulo De Los Comon Hichezeros" Hechizeros = sorcerers.
Later in the day, after scholarly reading and bear 10am-3:15pm he finishes the day with a little
non-fictional writing of a shaman and his apprentice and at five goes out with a friend for dinner.
Or without any doubt he knows and looks at the tremendous scope of the power and knowledge
of these people whom he's just met and left that makes aliens, war and sex meaningless. He
would have no doubt that these people had access to the universe at large that is not in anyway
measured equally by any other religion he'd ever studied.
I think here he would have run and jumped off the cliff and spent years anywhere between 3
and 15 years and possibly up to 36 years in the vibratory realm. Somewhere in this time
period he must've remembered or been drawn to something back here in the tonal and came
back only to find himself in 1982 living in Los Angeles, CA. He spents three years here
trying to figure out what in the heck is going on. he reads his books published between
1971 and 1982 for the first time and is furious! He can't believe it! Why did he
write about this? He feels as if someone has hijacked his career
so he tries to call back the vibratory force because he wants
his timeline back he wants to live it as he did after 1971. He wants to go back to 1972.
working himself into a huge crazy two year old temper tantrum fit of rage and despair
he drives to mexico and throws himself off the same cliff don juan left upon in the hopes he will
enter the vibratory force world. It works. He spends the next 6-7 years in the vibratory
world and comes back the tonal in 1987. He spends 16 minutes wondering around
an art festival in grand rapids, mi. here he feels the presence of the Nagual woman
and three other ladies but they are not so distinct. This is his second linear time
interacting with the women. After the 16 minutes pass his tonal flings him back to the Vibratory realm
where he spends twelve years doing and learning and battling against the most
unfathomable odds and pops back into the tonal in Mexico City laying in a bed
with the nagual/woman death defier in the late 1960's.
Carlos realizes don juan is still alive and he can go seem him.
In Carlos linear timeline of his experiences
as he possibly may have experienced them this is his only second time
meeting Carol Tiggs, first-time in the flesh of the tonal and first time
he meets the death Defier energy.
Castaneda tells Carol that he want to get back to 1972 so he can
fall in love with her and get married and live a 70's style life. He tells her
that he longs to know her more deeply.
This meeting is recounted in Carol Tiggs talk on 5/95.
(She also mentioned an american actor from the 30's or 40's who smoked
a pipe and this character became a regular also in that world where
she and CC went in dreaming. this old man wich spoke with a special
accent used to call Carol "honey" and also used to call Carlos
"shorty")
"..like any other visit to this world it started when we found
ourselves naked in that bed, suddenly we heard someone coming, carlos
got himself inside a closet that was in the room, he wanted to hide
from whoever was coming but he was not able to shut the door closed
from the inside. At that moment the little girl came into the room
shouting as ever 'not again mami', she went directly to the closet and
shut the door closed right on carlos's nose. At that moment i heard
the footsteps of the old man with the pipe, he entered the room and
said "whats up honey", i noticed that he had a newspaper in his hand
and i became intrigued with it, i tried deperately to catch a glimpse
of it trying to figure out in what language was it written or what was
the date on this publication, i knew that Carlos will be very
interested in this newspaper because since he is scientifically
oriented he would love to corroborate whatever info from this world in
"our real world". so i dont know where i got the nerve to snatch the
paper from his hand as the old man was leaving the room and hurried to
lay it flat on the bed to see its contents. There were color pictures
of people but when i fixed my attention to the text i noticed that the
characters where not the alphabet we use, they where some sort of
"symbols" like spirals, triangles and circles. i was so excited that i
wanted Carlos to see it so i went to the closet to let him out but i
noticed that there was no door knob or anything to open it i started
to get anxious that the oldman would come back when i heard Carlos
voice comming from inside the closet instructing me about a dark spot
on the floor that i had to step on, i looked down at the floor and i
saw the dark spot wich looked like a button, i steped on it and the
door opened and Carlos jumped out with feline agility. i showed him
the newspaper and he was perplexed all he told me was "this is real
Tiggs... this is real" we heard footsteps again and we jumped into the
bed and started to twirl like the other times until we woke up in our
beds."
"... in order to get in and out of these "other worlds" one must be
very sober and in control because if you "hooked" to something in that
world (like the newspaper) you will be lost in that world cause you
will forget from where you come from and you will end up living and
dying in this world. that is why the path of the warrior needs to be
impecable because when you become a "navegante" (navigator) you can
not afford any mistake. This world was very similar to ours because
people also got old and died. actually we saw the little girl grow
up."
(From Mexico City - May 1995
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Report on the Tensegrity Workshop held May 19-21 in Mexico City.)
Carlos stays with the Death Defier for days in the tonal and an eternity
in the nagual. They travel back and forth and the Death Defier shows
Carlos how not to get caught in one view or the other (the view of
the apartment building next door/view of beach - as written about
in his last book).
Carlos still wants to get back to 1971 the moment don juan left the world
because he wants to know what he did after he wanted to write about the
scope of don juans knowledge he wanted to present at the world academy
of sciences and had aspiratations to get rumored to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
But he still hasn't yet got a handle on how to call the vibratory force
(or rather elicit and command the spirit). Carol Tiggs shows him how.
He goes back into the tonal in 1971 standing on the cliff. Don Juan left moments ago.
He gathers up his things and begins to head for his car intending to drive home
and mull over the different ways to present the scope and power of don Juan's
knowledge to united nations, to presidents and kings, to school and universities
across the country and all over the world. He wouldn't write about Tales of Power,
or the apprentices he'd begin an authentic hermanuetic study.
I think that this speculation, even though it is opposite to the usual speculation that occurs
here, in this forum is a very good thing to practice.
Given the theoretical position of Don juan - time walker from the ancient mexico who said in
one of carlos' books that "when a sorcerer comes back to this furrow
he doesn't always have to come back to the same period of time in his life' - speculations
on the good, the bad and the ugly are always bold. Can't have enough boldly thinking people
in a world like this one.
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"A male sorcerer who is the nagual perforce has to be fragmented
because of the bulk of his energetic mass. Each fragment lives a
specific range of a total scope of activity, and the events that he
experiences in each fragment have to be joined someday to give a
complete, conscious picture of everything that has taken place in his
total life.
That unification takes years to accomplish. I have been told of
cases of naguals who never reached the total scope of their
activities in a conscious manner and lived fragmented.
The world of sorcerers is not an immutable world, where the world
is final, unchanging, it's a world of eternal fluctuation where
nothing should be taken for granted.
How could all this be possible? Who are we really? Certainly not
the people all of us have been led to believe we are.
A sorcerer weeps when he is fragmented. When he's complete, he's
taken by a shiver that has the potential, because it is so intense,
of ending his life.
There is nothing to mourn, nothing to feel sad about. Nothing
matters. All of us are warrior-travelers,
and all of us have been swallowed by
infinity.
We are warrior-travelers. Only
energetic facts are meaningful for us. All
the rest are trimmings that have no importance at all.
Our normal cognition requires a linear explanation in order to be
satisfied, and linear explanations are not possible. That is the crux
of the interruption of continuity. That interruption is sorcerer. In
order for you to stay behind, you need all your strength, all your
forbearance, and above all, a warrior-traveler's
guts of steal."
-From http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan12.html - active side of infinity
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