05-05-2010, 12:00 AM
fuckin factual!
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Self-proclaimed and or internet Naguals
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05-05-2010, 12:00 AM
Does anyone know about Energy systems...
i know "we" seek integrity, fullness and fluidity" within our basic human self... but does anyone consider the greater energy body of the nagual... and the flows it makes... a gambler.. has an energy body with... crazy dice attached... all forced on one side... and in pain as they are tortured by his greed... a gamblers touch on dice is a cruel thing indeed... which makes me wonder where lady luck actually lives...its not in the dice and thats for certain! to the eagle our world is a NEST of movements in line with life..... every fluid man moves with life.. and every WILLFULL man... has a willed energy structure around his tonal.. representing his desire to inflict control on his life.. the nagual flows between all men as the "unknowable" and between all men and women as the "UNKNOWN".... But lady luck.... where is she... shes not in the dice of that im certain! Theun speaks of "the dice of life" and the "dance of death" the mystery of golgotha! and the end power makes for sorcerers.. but Nothing of the end power makes for warriors! Get in LIne soldiers,wooz click/
05-06-2010, 12:00 AM
my father concieved my presence whilst on acid in 1975!...
he was a photographer for rolling stone "aledgedly" he named me harley as they were his favourite machines.. he then disappeared with my namesake before i was a year old! i treasured a silver hashpipe of his made of many pieces that screwed together... as my only sentient connection to him! throughout my childhood and teens!!! when my father finally returned from darkest africa.. (johannesburg))...... i showed him the pipe i had treasured in his absence... he said thankyou and put it in his pocket... and gave me a broken lighter in "exchange"... and then went back to africa... and "disrobed" my entire life.. as the pipe that went with him... caused a tear,, of tap, and dies, screw threads and wonderment""££ that sent me into a deep evaluating time..... as my physical father had been missing for nineteen years.. and now my "representative" of him had gone .."in the same direction admittedly" within three months.. I had decided to begin to aquiesce.. an individual form of enlightenment.... that explained my angst! I sincereley thank my father.. for making me question tensions in the dream,,,, and also for making me think of africa my whole life! when i begain to read theun mares books... I discoved i had a twentyone year arrow pointing straight at southafrica.. which is where theun lives.. It hit my aura with some force,, I spoke to my father last week on the Telephone Communication Systems!" and explained i would rather send presents such as books by boat... as it represented a profound curvature of the earth,, which airmail.. would devalue! then the icelandic volcanoe exploded and all the planes stopped flying! I am in love.. and love is the law! if the law is love,,, why place value on a gift or a theft it makes no difference! shamans lose because they dont let go!
05-06-2010, 12:00 AM
The way the assembage point works for a warrior!
If you consider the "concept of an assemblage point" directly with the "owner" of that assemblage point! you see there a differing modes of attack on its structure... cleargreen for instance recommend striking the cocoon in order to free substantial energy swirls.. that will enliven the assemblage movements... crusted up energy is both an individual concern.. as well as a habitual concern... a selfish person... will move his or her assemblage point.. like a tool... a tool that keeps the being that occupies his cocoon .. happy and energised... as you can imagine... if the assemblage point was a ragdoll.. it would be shaken quite brutally at first .. and then sporadicly and deliberatley around different "paths" according to the will of the central being of the cocoon structure or sorcerer! but what if the ragdoll is alive.... or female... or a TONAL! then we see that a sorcerer just like a gambler..is actually ruining the object of his focus wether it be dice.. or a AP.. through his use of will! a warrior does something different... he asks for the "perfect TONAL" and essentially.. asks that his assemblage point.. occupy a path.. that is perfected... while the being that occupies the cocoon.. or his warrior self... is DRAGGED through DImensions as time progresses! come the end of days the warriors Tonal.. is alive.. feminine and powerful...and ultimatley Alive... in an energeticly "superior" yet co-operative manner the sorcers "assemblage arm" is a dry stick that protects its owner from real feeling... whilst his "true TONAL" is out of reach beyond his shallow desire to remain in control... sorcers maladay.. is the realisation that something has already been lost! and that that very thing is alive in the warriors of mankind! and also is within the sorcers framework as "UNTOUCHABLE" but also DOMINANT.. as a truer and more refined aspect of the EASTERLY NAGUAL! Its pedantic and annoying... but you must admit it is perfect JUSTICE! you see as the habitual position or energy strike is stabalise amongst both old and new seers.. we will all be given new focus! even the dry sticks and energy tools of the sorcerers will identify with a second lesson! we cannot continue to ruin each others lives with isolation from the habitual position and the consequences it brings! there must a be a habitual position.. that encompasses all MEST... for people wether they are fluid or not! this world is called the world of the sorcerers... it is a position of the assemblage point described by theun in "cry of the eagle" however within the world of the sorcererss is a single need.... it is for illusion of the mind.. to become Omen for the heart! and a single energy strike to exist in the sorceric present! NOW""
05-07-2010, 12:00 AM
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As I'm carrying on about perfection, let's add this... A Nagual or Master certainly knows that s/he is a Nagual. That being said, a Nagual may not consider himself or herself one inasmuch as s/he realizes that perfection is not a destination, but a direction. We can only perfect a thing if we are undyingly resolved to its betterment; perfection is unattainable, but we can only approach it if we set our hearts to it day and night. (Day and night relating to Stalking and Dreaming. Or, tonal and nagual work). "Continuous improvement." A true Nagual is ever a warrior…s/he realizes that being alive signifies a lifelong quest for knowledge and the pursuit of unattainable self-perfection. As an example as an Aikidoka, or with martial arts, as I feel is true today, receiving a black belt does not signify that one has learning (anything close to) all there is to know. Quite to the contrary, it means that one has attained enough of an understanding of the basics of the art so that the real learning can begin. Earning a black belt is far from attaining Mastery. But is not Mastery then a new sort of beginning? Similar to earning a black belt, I believe that Mastery is another level, another plateau of knowledge in the quest for unattainable self-perfection. A black belt or becomming a warrior means you have the knowledge to start to learn. Mastery or the full realization of being a Nagual means you have the knowledge to start to create. But the learning must never cease. The more you know, the more you are able to know. As a Master or Nagual you have the wisdom to grasp concepts that others cannot – you command the ability to comprehend the most exclusive, challenging, most insightful knowledge. You have the vision to perceive or 'see' what others cannot; the insight to 'see' order where others see only chaos; the wisdom to integrate where others see only isolated, non-related parts. This makes learning as a Nagual even more important than learning as a warrior. The more you learn, the more important your continued learning becomes. Let me be quiet now. SHM
05-08-2010, 12:00 AM
its an isolated, dejected path
nagual signifies an isolation and aloneness that can never be breached, ever welcome to hell its fun time to bust out
05-08-2010, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:
on the contrary herbamatey!!! YOU CAN NEVER ESCAPE!Last thing I remember, I was Running for the door I had to find the passage back To the place I was before relax, said the night man, We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!
05-08-2010, 12:00 AM
actually i meant "house of the rising sun" not hotel california! I was trying to fit it!
05-24-2010, 12:00 AM
the only reason they tell you you can never escape is 'cause they r cowards scared u will
***ive escaped***
05-27-2010, 12:00 AM
im bored!
lets de-rail the human mind and start a world freedom revolution using only energetic relationships within mass generic actions of civilised society!
05-29-2010, 12:00 AM
i envision it as a "chain reaction".
the way it should work is fairly simple! POWER as it is today is a response to the current greater naguals question! it includes all the emotional riddles around mind and sexual abuse through systemic relationships! The main concern we face today.. is caused by the LIMINAL areas of the mind! The liminal areas of the mind are ruled by no-one as they are the unknown.. however... Good and fair people.. A0 do not access the liminal zones.. and b) exert no pressure in the liminal zones as they deem it unnessiary.. within their heart of hearts they will not use sorceric will as they deem it a lower virtue.. willfull and psychotic people however are not so meek.. and exert huge focus within the liminal areas causing the pressures of resistence in the human mind today! the power the sorceric will is forced from.. is from our past... and has through the ages sculpted the human mind and civilisation to where it is today! however we are rapidly reaching a point where willfull control over others is of no benefit to our species future.. so the POWER core must shift! The idea is that the power shifts to a future point and ceases to flow through historical or traditional forcing methods.. and instead begins to flow naturally and without the use of will through the hearts and minds of those who would never abuse another using power.. essentially pitting power against sorceric will! or love against will! the planes and spindles theory.. is firstly an intelligent energy on the nature of planes and spindles.. but secondly a "false matter core" essentially matter is solid.. but much of matter including generic objects are shared... the fact generic objects are shared, specifically objects engineered.. gives us the possibility of having areas of energy within planes and spindles intelligence.. creating a false core to our physical world.. the false core will be connected to the east! it is not the style of core that a man could live inside and defend with iron spikes.. as it is a micronsbreadth away into the future. it is the kind of false core that moves with easterly intelligence.. in many ways it is more like a snake within matter.. that is always teaching! the energy of the east will impact different types of men.. the innocent.. who do not require power over others will be empowered by its peacefull properties... the warriors who have completed self evaluation will become emotional transmissive.. sorcerers.. will become unable to touch the matter core without first becoming warriors or learning to not want power anymore... the whole principle of the mattercore.. is that it will make us all equal before earth and the east... becuase it is life supportive easterly energy it could quite pheasibly make us all live a lot longer.. without westerly energetic attachment... as such it may not ever become destructive to the bad guys... but is more likeley. to say... EVERYONE LIVES LONGER.. and as the easterly energy aligns those who are more easterly natured will begin to be shone apon by yet more life energy.... skulking in dark corners.. is likeley to leave a person pale and unenergised... swiftly put.. if the COSMIC TRIGGER clicks.....the whole kaboodle changes.. Theun mares mentions "the mythical core of AZOTH" this power core is reputed to drive people insane at the merest touch! it is becasue this core is refined potential easterly energy... and should you touch it... it "TELLS" you how to make the most of your potential! tradegy is.. that few people.. can make the most of their potential without struggling first in order to make personal strength! so it just messes people up!.. the core of AZOTH. will become exposed to the living vessels and carriers of the "sorceric mind"... many of these souls will happily drop their burdens of power in favour of a summers day and good company....(NETZACH-The world of beauty) The remaining will either become warriors or lose the battle against power..! (MALKUT-warrior or converseley slave to power) the beauty of this first phase.. of confusion on our world is that it is only the first phase bringing us to equality! "slave to power" sounds quite scary... Until you realise that POWER from the east will bring equilibrium and unified heart energy! meaning even a slave to power will wake up oneday.. in exactly the same mood as someone in netzach... and someone in netzach will awaken in the mood of the warrior...The warrior is already a slave to power but he does it on purpose.. in order to activate the sacred TRINE! .
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Sounds good Rosy begin your evolution derailment!
That's some pretty funny ****, lolz. I think that any real nagual can serve a very good purpose, even if they aren't your nagual, in that they can show you what it is you are looking for, or what you have the potential to become yourself. Naguals are like steam locomotives, in that they pull the rest of the party along with them, but they can also fail and take the whole party off the tracks with them too. So, just because you found a real nagual, or are one yourself, it doesn't mean you are home free. I've always wondered if, even if you knew your chances of success with your nagual were very slim, should you still stick with them anyway? I mean, is it better to die alone or go down with the, uhm, train?
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
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"I mean, is it better to die alone or go down with the, uhm, train"? Die alone? Is there any other way? "We're born alone, we die alone..." Now of course this will bring about speculation and conjecture, so let me ask: Has anyone else here physically died? Pronounced dead? If so, did you feel you were with others or alone?
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
dreamways wrote:
Nagual LoneWolf wrote: Sounds good Rosy begin your evolution derailment! Naguals are like steam locomotives, in that they pull the rest of the party along with them, but they can also fail and take the whole party off the tracks with them too. So, just because you found a real nagual, or are one yourself, it doesn't mean you are home free. True.
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
fear-destruction of the self in order to see your true purpose!
sobriety-seeing a solution or purpose and working to a time scale.. old age..discovering you are still working to a purpose even though everyday you die a little bit more.. hoping that if you always work to purpose.. you will shed your human form and mereley be a force of purpose.. death- either the fruition of purpose in life or the cessation of life while true to purpose... hopefully blurring the two... creates a personal "vesica piscis" of intent!
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
fear-destruction of the self in order to see your true purpose!
sobriety-seeing a solution or purpose and working to a time scale.. old age..discovering you are still working to a purpose even though everyday you die a little bit more.. hoping that if you always work to purpose.. you will shed your human form and mereley be a force of purpose.. death- either the fruition of purpose in life or the cessation of life while true to purpose... hopefully blurring the two... creates a personal "vesica piscis" of intent! im very difficult to accept as a nagual! ive only got this far by being seen as a fool! its a bit of a knife edge! I crave to tell the truth in contrast to the lies.. but if you look at me truthfully,, there is nothing left to tell! catch 22
05-31-2010, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:
fear-destruction of the self in order to see your true purpose! Fear - the great mind killer....
06-01-2010, 12:00 AM
SelfHealedMadman wrote
 ie alone? Is there any other way?"We're born alone, we die alone..." I guess I should have been clearer, I mean that you can die a normal death, alone, and have a "normal" afterlife, or you can have an afterlife with your nagual, in some weird inorganic world that you never intended to end up in, ever, in a million years.
06-01-2010, 12:00 AM
What about the MAYAN TWENTY DAY SIGNS
Has anyone considered the "twenty deaths" The mayans were very very clever.. and even today we realise what crass bullshit astrology seems to be... perhaps the twenty day signs do map peoples births.. but are a reflection of a very real order of events transmitting a spirit or soul to the afterlife... like some big invisible death machine! I wrote a post a while ago about ritual sacrifice.. and explained that for some.. being ritualisticly sacrificed was a world they were not only socially lead to.. but also spiritually destined to be born into! and that in some ways for a "sacrifice" person.. to decide to avoid his ritualistic death.. was itself a giving in to a very human form of social conditioning! the terrible thing about meeting your death this lifetime.. is that unless you run headlong at it! it recedes back to the dimension from which it came... my experience was like this.. I travelled to a world of beauty connected to the aztecs.. and danced and fought my way around a maze for several hours.. trying to follow only intent to find my way through the world! of course intent.. began to lead me square up against my death! and as it did the parrallel world began to co-alesce... I realised i was going to die! and faltered in my intent! and the dream began to shift! as the parrallell world began to "leave" this dimension.. i screamed in anguish! "what if my perfect death left my life forever" and once this parrallell dimension was gone.. all that would be left was a dry a souless normal death with no afterlife! But i couldnt chase this parrallell reality without being murdered or killed... and so i was stuck on a knife edge... one step back and i would become pointless for the rest of my life.. one step forward and i would be instantly killed! (NOW THATS AN ASSEMBLAGE POINT POSITION)
06-22-2010, 12:00 AM
I came back. Every time I died. It hurt. Real bad like. Then I let go. And then it felt good. Then, I was surprised, momentarily, to find myself back to life again.
06-22-2010, 12:00 AM
why do you say it past tense?
If you are as you imply an infinite incarnating being... then sureley it is possible you are currently in a "previous incarnation" to a future self! as such is it the best future incarnation you wish to be your guide.? or the best "ROOT" incarnation.. and if you say " I want the best of both" are you sure they are both you and you are not just being selfish? even if you are present! inherant awareness is in many ways created by our root incarnation! but equally.. we represent inherant awarness for our future selves... making certain wether we are a stone or not in this path of life is vital... and when!
06-22-2010, 12:00 AM
datura8 wrote:
dreamways wrote: Nagual LoneWolf wrote: Sounds good Rosy begin your evolution derailment! Naguals are like steam locomotives, in that they pull the rest of the party along with them, but they can also fail and take the whole party off the tracks with them too. So, just because you found a real nagual, or are one yourself, it doesn't mean you are home free. True. Dont be ridiculous.. a nagual cant drag people off course.. you either listen to the nagual or you dont! where you end up is always your decision! besides how would a nagual be attatched to a party.. in such a way that they couldnt let go when he decided to go completeley apeshit? hmmm. |
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