INTENT??

[DoktorGreen]

We all know all about Intent right?? Well here's a new look at it. I would suggest that no normal human being has any idea what to Intend. Unless one is dwelling in the Nahual, one is living as the flyer dictates! It is absolutely ludicrous to even think that a self-focused tidbit of awareness has the ability to know what he/she needs to Intend for his/her energetic benefit! How incredibly arrogant!
Are you working with a true Nahual? If so, Intend what he/she tells you to Intend. Oh, you're not?... well then, Intend to find one! Or Intend something for your material benefit.
We have absolutely no idea what we need. All we know is what some wannabe wrote, and 99% of the time that is nothing more than a re-hash of someone's personal tradition that only applies to them (and maybe a close fit to a few just like them).
So what does a Nahual Intend??? NOTHING! He/she is already everything! For the Standing Mother,
DG

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"So what does a Nahual Intend??? NOTHING! He/she is already everything!"
lol)))
so fucking true))

[seeitall]

I want to say I completely disagree with this. it's contradictive nonsense for those that don't want to do any dirty
work beacause they are everything already. you are talking about arogance - ok
but aren't you arogant in the first place saying we
have no idea what we need ? how do you know so sure with your
tidbits of awarenes ? isn't this arrogance ?
I say if you don't know what to intend, intend freedom !
you cannot go wrong with this . (well, nothing's for sure)
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[Aranno Way]

Here's a good question and exercise to play with.
If you were to dream and have all your resources as far as memory and compassion that you possess while in your normal awareness what would you do with it while dreaming?
If you could go anywhere and do anything what would you do?
This is where intent comes into to the equation.
What you are going to do if you have such freedom?
What direction do you choose and what are you trying to accomplish?
These are some things that warriors have to determine and figure out when you reach your crossroads of direction of intent.
I know what I personally have to do but what I do may not be compatible with other peoples intent.
Aranno.

[DoktorGreen]

Good! A little verbal exchange going on!
I didn't mention that there was no effort required. I did imply that someone immersed in the self-focused world dictated by the flyer was in no position to know what they needed to acquire the awareness of the Nahual. Any Intent he comes up with on his own is simply self serving, since he is under the pretense that he is a separate entity. The Nahual is the whole...., everything. From that perspective, he can KNOWINGLY SEE that he is all. To sidestep an obstacle is automatic. Being everything, he naturally moves in harmony within himself.
Here is a contradiction for you. A teacher tells you to do some exercise that confirms your separateness from the universe around you.... like acquiring a power object. Why invest your own power in a stone? You are the rock. You are the air. The earth. The ocean. The whole. It is self-defeating to act in a way that re-enforces separateness. For the Standing Mother,
DG

[seeitall]

there is a happy world where there are no differences between things
because there is nobody who would ask about them. but that's not a world of man.
some proudly belive they are living in both worlds but that's their vanity only.
for us there is only one world. we are humans and we must humbly follow the world of man.
thats's a back translation from wheel of time, i don't have the english version,
so you'd better read it there. but it's exactly what I think is wrong with
this "you are everything" ideology.
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[Bob May]

""but aren't you arogant in the first place saying we
have no idea what we need ? how do you know so sure with your
tidbits of awareness ? isn't this arrogance ?""
No, he is not being arogant.
He is speaking at a deeper level than we are used to thinking.
We do not have the entire picture! When we ask or intend for something from God, (or the Nagual or the "Great Spirit" or whatever you want to call the Great Unknown or Unknowable) we do so thinking that that particular request is what we need. We do so without all of the "facts", having only a part of the Whole Picture.
I disagree with Doctor Green on one point. The Spirit does have one intent, concerning this particular subject.
It is that all that wish to return to the Source Will return to the Source. But our free will is never infringed upon in the process.
But, back to Agreeing with Doctor Green. The Bible says; "...we know not what to pray for as we aught. But the Spirit maketh Intercession (prayer or Intent) for us
with groanings which cannot be uttered. (put into words)"
We do not know what we need, or the best way to get where we want to go. Though we may want to return to the Source of All, since we have never been there before, our intent or prayers can lead us off of the main path onto "rabbit trails".
Bob
Bob

[DoktorGreen]

Thank you for your comments, Bob. I hope all keep this as a casual discussion. It is nothing more!
We have no disagreement on that one point Bob! You are right on target. I might expand on this comment by you: "Though we may want to return to the Source of All, since we have never been there before, our intent or prayers can lead us off of the main path onto "rabbit trails".
My experience is that we have all been there before; in fact we are all there right now and have never left! The only thing is that we have a mission to expand the Source. We do that by infusing our awareness with the whole, the Nahual. We do that here... in the Tonal. By this difficult act we expand the light and overcome the darkness!

Rabbit trails.... yes indeed. I am preaching to the choir! You have danced in the light of God, my friend. For the Standing Mother,
DG

[Bob May]

"My experience is that we have all been there before; in fact we are all there right now and have never left! The only thing is that we have a mission to expand the Source. We do that by infusing our awareness with the whole, the Nahual. We do that here... in the Tonal. By this difficult act we expand the light and overcome the darkness!"
Yes, in the greater sense we are asleep and in the process of waking to reality. Or dead and becoming alive to it. So, we are within it now, but are unaware of that truth.
And since everything came from and is returning to it, I term it the "Source of All", and that process (spiritual progression that is) is really a "Great Remembering."
And what we experience here "in the flesh', the great Unknowable is incapable of experiencing for Itself, being that it is pure Spirit. In that sense we ad to the awareness of the ALL, after our return, by our experiences here in the plane of "Death and Decay" or "Time/Space", or whatever your terminology.

Rabbit trails.... yes indeed. I am preaching to the choir! You have danced in the light of God, my friend
Yes, I have. But it has usually been where and how God wants that to happen. I do not have too much control over it except to keep myself Open and watch and Listen.
I'm on a perpetual "Hunt for Power" might be one way of putting it.
If it were entirely up to me, I would probably want to experience Power and the Higher Planes much more often than I do or have. Probably too often for my own good.
And THAT can be a rabbit trail also.
It's good to keep in mind that Spirit knows better than us where we are going and how to get there.
And to take our personal selves out of the equation sometimes. Just remain open and not resist the Spirit.Bob

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