CC's explanation on seeing

[shamanka]

In order to manipulate and understand the emanations which arrive to our senses, sorcerers develop the power of their attention, sharpening it through discipline to exquisite levels, which allow them to transcend human limitations and to fulfill all the possibilities of perception. Their concentration is so intense that they can penetrate the thick armor of appearances, and expose the essence of things. Seers call that degree of increased awareness 'seeing.'
- Carlos Castaneda

[NagualHuman]

Oh, thats insightfull has castaneda wrote something about the topic of inscreaing awareness via decreasing ?

[dreamgirl]

Hmmm, would that be dreaming awake?

[serloco]

Its just seeing what is, the energy of what is actually occuring. The essence. In my seeing their are different levels of seeing. It depends on what you are seeing. When you see a person you see their awareness, their position, and even their thoughts. Some things are more difficult to see like the Eagle and His emanations. To see them directly takes more power then to see a person. To see someone as a cocoon of luminous awareness takes power and a certain amount of fluidity. It takes intent. I enjoy how don Juan taught Carlos and so many of us, by using words and descriptions that tempt us to intend them. First comes the tonal description of what to expect, aligning to our reason, then comes later the actual experience and shift into awareness. Seeing is not done with the eyes, it is done with awareness, you are aware of the energy you see therefor you see it.

[NagualHuman]

Yes, dreamgirl.
Rather than solidifiying consciousness on opinion that is old and welknown, creating new ones with fresh energy.
There are always layers for example physical plane and inner beign's plane, what makes them join together the world as they both have access point from each another, yet the connection that is made between is undefined and allows any projection - connection to be implanted between. Shift below draws the conscioussness into the plane and products sensuality and overal state of beign that draws the attention the outer world, Ancient Mayans used shift below to live inside fluorescent reality made of hues, patterns and shades of colors, using this their consciousness was mainly external and fluid towards the objects thye saw, by hooking their attentions to these elements of world, which are in modern life mostly taken as "nothing and usual", their conscioussness was in state of sensual extravaganza, they were mainly shapeshifters. Incan used shift upward to take their own consciousness - heart as center of the whole dream pertained and that made their consciousness to slowly but accurately synchronize their beign - the dream, with the outer dream, after some time this practise lead them to beign aware of even the subtlest changes and how is it connected with their own consciousness, improving their ability to shift the dream anyhow, just by move of a finger.
I prefer using both of these states along with the free energy - dark matter - void to project elementalis powers and gates via movements of body and "move projections" of mind, this reconstruct reality pretty much by blazing speed and leads to double, naturaly.

[shamanka]

consciousness works NH on the basis of frequency and geometry... the eagles emanations is a metaphor of such, and therefore is not 'opinion' but the archetypal basis for seeing...

the fact that you believe there is new energy available to you, is subjective, based on the perception of awareness of your own unknown and known and your descriptions/reflections of such.

all energies frequencies exist already, our vessels journey in remembering what we already know, within or various energy bodies..is the process of be-coming totality of self.

i do not deny that you indeed have a perception of such, but to advise that another takes your way, over an archetypal/ metaphorical way is self importance. considering at some point, your way will indeed fit or intersect, into electro-magnetics, which the whole structure /projection is made up of.

'seeing' seems to be founded on a combination of individual experience and built up glossary index. The way we interpret frequency would be shown to us as something we would recognize, pointing at truth or representing our position to it..

for example: fear could be shown as a spider, to one afraid of spiders, or a black cloud to another, who isn't afraid of spiders. Or is one is auditory it could be heard as a growl, or felt as like a kick in the stomach...

Seeing does not have to be visual but may be perceived as one or several responses to stimuli received.
the clearer the vessels link to its perceived environment..often called spirit or nature, the more subtle stimuli can be received and noted and the greater detail can be gathered in awareness terms.

dreaming awake, dream girl, from my perception is the ability to enter fully into 2nd attention at will/or by urge, whilst being in 1st or tonal attention. you are embodying your dreaming body or your double,( bearing in perspective, in my view these are different), whilst being consciously awake.

the experiences are the same as in dream state, with no mind, but by just knowing and attention. these dreaming awake experiences are like shamanic journeys or similar, and can effect the tonal world.

[NagualHuman]

I made no single advice to anyone, nor did I devalued others perceptions, if you see it that way, I dont know where the wind blows, do you ? Please elaborate!

[serloco]

I associate seeing with the silent knowledge, a truth we can perceive about what truly is. Direct examination of energy. A connection that exists with the essence of all things.

[NagualHuman]

Seeing is simply state of beign that deepens along with the path of re-gaining knowledge a "sight-in-sight" because shows the underlying flows beneath, beyond and how they produce surface. To say that seeing connect to the source is on one side absolute truth and on other absolute demagogougery because the patterns, connections that the individual sees simply shifts along with own preferences - composition of power - the "peeking points" and the shifts through which we are walking through every day, that is the core of seeing to see how proccessess the inner structures energy shifts. Seein comes naturally when the culmination of energy align with certain flow and shifts the whole perceptoral points into position in which are often gained insights and other "good spiritual shits" + unfolding the base pattern which is all the time everywhere same, yet everytime more detailed. Seeying is made from personal energy-field through which is the whole act of seeing made - physical or not, That then derives and categorize the experience and their meaning - action+reaction afterwards,
Unknown can anytime change into known and vice versa. All states are in nature unknown and of second attention, what makes it first is predispotion to hook to one place/dialog, feelings,- from which then whole round - Table of Tonal perpetuates. Process of Changing and Silent Intentions are what makes it to get it and get somewhere, unconsciously or not.

The decreasing of awareness serves to unlock the stable "nurmal" joints of awareness, by dettaching one's known and vague "no-values" about the enviroment; i.e. meditation etc. and that naturally shifts the possibilites of what it is or can be and even how it looks. There are many levels on which one takes hiemself as aware, influencing and beign influenced by realm around.

This is just the same old bullshit - "CeeCee" as all the time...

[Littlepaw]

You mention the second attention nagualHuamn, what is the process or technique an apprentice can use to discover the second attention?

[NagualHuman]

You cant, the You would have to be someone else. + There is lot of it everywhere on this forum.

[Littlepaw]

Do you mean to imply that I am not capable of learning such things? or that you would rather not explain to me for another reason?

[NagualHuman]

The "You" - "I" have to be someone else, thats what I ment.

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