Tensegrity - Where Castaneda Went Wrong

[dreamways]

Before Castaneda abandoned Don Juan's path of the fire from within, I think that he still had a chance of being a positive leader. But, once he decided to
teach people "tensegrity," it all went to hell. I believe that tensegrity was taught to Carlos by the Death Defier and that it cultivates insect
based energy. Death defiers look and act like insects, nothing wrong with that in itself, if that's what you want to do, but to pass off tensegrity as
something that Don Juan taught him is nothing short of evil.

[docta lee]

Cool post dreamways




i am curios to know why you say it would be evil that he lied about that part, bad yes but why evil?

[dreamways]

docta lee wrote:

Cool post dreamways




i am curios to know why you say it would be evil that he lied about that part, bad yes but why evil?


The death defiers have no conscience, either individually or as a swarm. To lure people down the path of losing their humanity without letting them know that
this was what you had planned for them, I believe that is evil. Although Howard Lee is an **** in his own right, he did get it right about the fact that
Castaneda was a tool of the death defier. I wouldn't rehash all this now except that LoneWolf mentioned that he saw a renewed presence of the death defier
emerging on Earth. I have looked into it and I believe that he is correct, which makes me sick to my stomach. I was hoping that they were gone forever, but
now I see that they will never leave.

[dreamways]

I used to think that death defiers did not have any major cycles of awareness to them, that they were kind of a one shot deal. What I have seen more recently
is that they are involved in a cycle of cohesion, in which they slowly amalgamate their awareness into a large mass, a sort of super energy-body. This pale
yellow cocoon or egg, I don't know what to call it, starts off about the size of a beach ball, and after many decades, becomes the size of a large house,
at which point it disappears. When I saw it disappear last time, I thought that this was how the death defiers got their own version of freedom, and that they
were basically gone from the earth as an active force. But, this was not the case, as there is a new mass that has formed to start the cycle again. I first
discovered this object, when I resorted to asking the inorganic beings, "what are the death defiers actually doing?" This is what they showed me,
but I've never gotten an explanation of it that I feel is complete. Anyway, the last mega-egg didn't vanish until Castaneda himself had merged with
it, after his death, so I am pretty sure they seek out naguals as an energetic ingredient for this process. The death defiers themselves have explained the
merging process that they have mastered as fusing two stones together, but, have not gone into the exact details of why they do this.

[docta lee]

WOW thanks dreamways




this is really beyond me at this point

[dreamways]

docta lee wrote:

WOW thanks dreamways


this is really beyond me at this point


It's beyond me too, what can I say. Theirs is the god of earthquakes, of stones, rocks, and bones grinding together. Earthquakes release a type of energy
that can be used to boost dreaming for several weeks or months at a time, so, the death defiers view them as a breath of fresh air.

[ARNWAY]

Dreamways you most definitely presented a new aspect that you described in this thread about Tensegrity and will try and focus it in on my dreaming, I used the
Tensegrity exercises and do them while dreaming as a anchor point or as a form of intent to do something while dreaming often I will do some exercises and then
enter into another dreaming scene.


Its all an exercise of our attention and this is what I feel is the trophy and objective as a warrior is the control of our AP and never let anything
manipulate or deceive our perception to the extent of being a puppet on strings in the arena of energy perception.




Good luck with your observance.

[Jaforidza]

So you think that Don Juan did not do tensegrity at all? ever?


Or maybe he stopped doing it at some point of his life when he saw what intent is beside it?




if Don Juan did not do it at all ,then the conversations between him and Castaneda are made up by Castaneda?

[Jaforidza]

i mean the conversations in the book "The magical passes"

[dreamways]

Jaforidza wrote:

So you think that Don Juan did not do tensegrity at all? ever?


Or maybe he stopped doing it at some point of his life when he saw what intent is beside it?


if Don Juan did not do it at all ,then the conversations between him and Castaneda are made up by Castaneda?


Here's where Castaneda got tripped up in his own lie. At the tensegrity seminars, he said that he and the witches had decided not to burn with the fire
from within, as Don Juan had instructed them, but had decided to fly off into infinity instead. The means by which they would accomplish this was tensegrity.
Only problem there is that Don Juan would not have taught them how to use the fire from within and also to not do it by practicing tensegrity to prevent it.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Castaneda revealed that he was not following Don Juan and also revealed the existence of this thing called tensegrity,
which nobody had ever heard of before, at the same time. Tensegrity was taught to Castaneda by the Death Defier, not Don Juan, because Don Juan had already
instructed Carlos to do the exact opposite thing.

[Jaforidza]

Is it truth that Don Juan did not want to have anything with inorganic beings , i mean.. not only with Death Defier but also inorganic beings?(this is just my
opinion, so i would like to hear yoours)


Cause it seems to me that he was put on the path (by fraud as it is always when "recruiting " of the new warrior is in question) that he later saw as
wrong for him, in the sense that he would lose his humanity..and he realized that it is not something he would like to do..not his path.




and one more question..if all sorcery is inorganic, are practices such as Tai chi , Chi kung and similar , any different?I mean do these two also count as
sorcery ..as magic..?Who is behind them?again inorganic beings, or maybe death defiers ?or maybe someone else?

[Guest]

this makes sense to me.




one thing that never sat right with me was that the cleargreen group seemed to be so secretive and sort of elitist - but then they teach the passes to huge
groups of people at once? it never made sense to me....


but -


would it have been possible that the group was aiming to cultivate a certain kind of energy by having all these people do the passes together? do you think
they were generating an appropriate energy for something else to "feed" on?


it seems that it is clear that the old sorcerers were involved with human sacrifice... for offering the energy of others to the inorganics in exchange for
favors, etc . ....if this group was so influenced by that tone, it stands to reason they might have had the same motives.... what else could have been gained
from getting random groups of people to alter their energy?




in any case, what does it mean that the death-defiers have a cycle?

[docta lee]

hi mothersdream




Read Amy Wallace's book the Sorcerer's apprentice.




It gives her view of the whole carlos cult and from what i read he would get his close fave apprentices to pimp for him and get him willing lost souls so he
could *** them.





http://books.google.ca/bo...ult&ct=result&resnum=4If you are a follower of CC it cant hurt to read it right?




It cant hurt to read it right? Or can it? People have a way of seeing, believing and protecting that CC was beyond human needs but her book clarifies some
things for me about him.

[Guest]

and so i followed that link to look into that book.


to be fair, i am only 40 pages in, but this woman is ridiculous.


she is a victim because that is what she wants to be.


if you go playing with fire - how can you blame anyone but yourself when you get burned?




her taking up with castaneda & co. seems like a rabbit wanting to sleep among wolves.




anyway,


castaneda's personal conquests aren't really what i was talking about.


what humans do to each other in matters of human energy is - i think - a different issue. we can all hold our own there because we're all equal in that
we're human.




if castaneda was training people to morph their energy away from humanness...... without them knowing... well, that's pretty inhuman.


it's totally out of my capacity to think or feel what that even implies. he had to know that would be the case for 99% of people. that is pretty...ahem....
evil.




it's one thing to allow people to lie to themselves - only you can dissolve your own self-importance....


it's another to train them up to be food for alien energy.

[docta lee]

yes you are correct she is a suck. I just enjoyed it because it gives some of the behind the scenes of CC.

[scout1]

This is serious problem. Analysis:



1) Alteration of energy (but only the videos I., II. and III.) III. is the insect, I. very ancient, II. too.



- I.,II. ancient Mexico



III. insect.



2) Distribution in the mass - "tensegrity - "the community that we are", formerly individual passes, now generic.



Not appliable to the Magical Passes book, every series individual.



Westwood very old and specific to the concern - e.g. inner silence (immediately effective), for the dreaming (qualitatively changing dreaming after practice)





So, this problem breaks into, as the tensegrity is really effective -



a) alteration of energy (the problem of videos) from the human energy and significant lure for the inorganic beings and the problematic/deleterious "sorcery of ancient Mexico".

b) distribution in the mass - id est to be bonded energetically to other practitioners, this is possible for the video IV - e.g. to be bonded to the cleargreen practitioner

c) bond to the ancient mexico intent.



Tensegrity is problematic. It can "eat your energy body" via these ways a,b,c.



The series are very different. You should consider this in your practice, i.e. not to do this in a naive way.

[scout1]

Nevertheless, on the heat series practice practioners started to see the luminous sphere (i have seen the energy in the physical body too, the track past the limbs e.g., the same can be seen under elevated body temperature or after ingestion of powerplants)



- series for the inner silence immediately effective shutting the internal dialogue

- series for dreaming qualitatively changing/deepening dreaming.

etc. the magical passes are for real.



But problematic:



- intent of ancient mexico

- alteration of energy and inorganic lure

- energy loss in the mass distribution.

[scout1]

Dreamways should ask DJ how it was with Tensegrity if Don Juans group and lineage had those individual passes and rows as stated in the Magical Passes book or not, i.e. if it taught him Death Defier (that super-old sorcerer) and CC faked those DJ dialogues (and those about Elias Uloa, Julian Osorio and Silvio manuel) etc.

[Guest]