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I was reading a bit from The Fire From Within, the last chapter actually, and something caught my attention. It reads:
"He [Don Juan] explained that in the few days that he was lost in the black world he aged at least ten years, if not more. The emanations inside his cocoon felt the strain of years of solitary struggle."
Castaneda goes on:
"Silvio Manuel was a totally different case. The nagual Julian also plunged him into the unknown, but Silvio Manuel assembled another world with another set of bands, a world also without the emanations of time but one which has the opposite effect on seers. He disappeared for seven years and yet he felt he had been gone only a moment."
My question is: who among you have had a similar experience to Silvio Manuel's. I've felt glipses of this in dreaming of course, but to assemble another world like he did is a mythic feat. If some force tried to crush my unbending intent, then I would simply reassemble as i've done in the past, but not with as much luck as Silvio. What things must he have learned.
This is on page 294 in the Washington Square Press edition (publisher). If anyone interested reads their copy in the right context, then perhaps we could have an informed discussion.
Yours,
--Teopiltzin
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I once caught a ride with a huge glowing jellyfish type creature to a layer outside this one. This happened whilst fully awake. The short version is that I was beyond terrified and was immediately surrounded by alien entities. Its a job to recall it exactly probably cos it is not something i even want to go back into, even as a memory.
I lost all awareness of this layer, all except a pin prick which i was desperate to cling to. I really felt i came close to being dragged over boots and all. Obviously i did make it back but ****, it was close.
The moral of this story, take care with cosmic jellyfish. Wondrous as they are, they play pretty awesome games with participants. In fact if anyone has any knowledge of them i would love to hear hear about it. No one seems to know much about them as far as i can see.
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The question is, why would you want to have a similar experience? Silvio was bound to do something clever, sort of his nature. Why not do something clever in tune with your own nature?
What things do you think Silvio may have learned, and of what use were they?
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Well i guess the same urge that makes you ask why is a similar urge that compels us to investigate the shere awesome possibilities of what we are alive within.
If you grow up in a house with many rooms why the hell would you just stay in one and think you needn't bother with the others? It is the very essence of what awareness is all about, ie becoming aware of more and more. If we havnt got that then might as well shoot yourself in the head now and get it all over and done with. I can mail bullets to any interested parties. Other than that have you seen that door over there?
To speculate what Silvio learned is only ever speculation. I can read a book about Canada but you know what im gonna go see it for myself. Words are not the same as the direct experience.
(Throws the bullet away). Now where was that magic exit again?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/1wy_i6NFG-Y?f= ... tube_gdata seesaw wrote:
If you grow up in a house with many rooms why the hell would you just stay in one and think you needn't bother with the others? It is the very essence of what awareness is all about, ie becoming aware of more and more. FOREBEARANCE!
In the case of this metaphor with "rooms"... Forebearance is like walking around a death camp, or asylum, or abandoned prison, or black magical cult aftermath!
When your ROOMS in this case have had women raped in some, children abused in others, people murdered left right and central!..
Then we realise the ROOMS are thousands of years old.. and in a certain sense MANIFEST certain attrocities within them out of habit over time..
sometimes to be FREEOF or FLUID OF the habitual assembkage.. it is a case of NOT ALLOWING habitual flows to exist!
FOREBEARANCE is the artform of becoming aware of yourself in totality before choosing a door.. and apon the intent to enter.. assessing how your energy body begins to change as the path is viewed..
Forebearance is the ability to refuse to behave in a way ruled by the rooms themselves..
forebearance will drive a man mad..
It is like doping yourself with the wrong drugs before a race.. struggling uphill only to lose..
putting in twice the effort only to achieve something worthless in the eyes of others..
in context.- I refused to go into a magicians meditation chamber at an estate in britain.
The moment i started to approach the door i felt a style of mind energy that only respected silence but not time..
So irefused point blank to go inside..
I agree with you that the essenc eof awarness is to become aware more and more..
But i would have to argue that some learning events are structured and obvious, not all rooms are a good adventure.
a TRAP is something you must learn to recognise.
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So how do you learn about traps WITHOUT venturing beyond a little?
I think i follow maybe about half of what you say. Then of course i may well be wrong. Its a job to tell at times. Seeing you in person would i am sure clear up much of this.
The thing i have noticed about your posts is that statistically they stand a good chance of becoming thread killers. I just dont always follow the intent of what or why you communicate in the way you do. Then again that is the perfect unmasking of who you are isnt it?
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I find rosy's post uncharacteristically clear and sensible (to me) . Apart from the edit on chickens, though I do see connecting lines to that as well.
One question I would have though and I would appreciate, rosy, if you could explain a bit.. You say the chamber "respected silence but not time." How does this not respecting time behave? - meaning something along the lines of: Why is it dangerous/bad? What would it do? What effects would it have?
And, seesaw, how do you learn about traps without venturing is that you are vigilant. And aware of boundaries and space(s), so when you come close to one you notice and then you can scout ahead a bit. Ok you might say for this to be able to be done that you already got into the space of influence of whatever it is you are approaching. But that does not have to be the case, I am not far enough to argue one way or the other for sure, but I could imagine that it is just visible without it being that territory yet. Maybe (or maybe not) like looking at a person and seeing his intent without talking to him or getting to know him or having anything to do with him - just scouting, picking up stuff, being vigilant and being aware of different spaces .
[ edit: even non sorcerers do it. they then say that such a person has 'good instincts' and some even call it 'intuition' ]
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I took this from a web site I like to read. It is apparently a conversation had with Silvio Manuel himself!
Silvio Manuel
“I, Silvio Manuel, tell you: only a daring person can walk confidently the Path of knowledge! One has to have a venturous heart to travel to the Unknown!
“I, too, followed such a Path. Set out on a sorcerer’s journey to the unknown worlds, I never thought about returning to the earthly. I strove only toward new unexplored expanses awaiting Me on this Path. A life filled with sorcery and new worlds — drove Me forward!
“But as I advanced, I gained Wisdom. And I turned from a ‘restless’ sorcerer-traveler striving for the unknown worlds — into a Calm, which embraces everything.
“Gradually I gained understanding of the true Goal of the Path, granted to Me by the Power.
“And one day I moved from the state of a separate self — into the state of the Higher Self and became the entire boundless Light-Power.”
“How did You manage to attain everything in one lifetime?”
“It was the only purpose of life for everyone of Us. Seeing unbelievable prospects open to Us, We discarded from Our lives all the rest, let go of everything that We ‘clung to’ before.
“… In relation to this, let Me tell you about detachment — an essential attribute of warrior’s life.
“Detachment implies two things: a system of values revealed to the warrior by the Spirit and resolute adherence to this system.
“To have detachment means to walk through your life not as if through a bazaar, idly looking here and there, but to move forward taking every step in accordance to this system.
“Don Juan said about the same when He explained to Castaneda that spiritual warriors have to plan their actions asking advice from death.
“And one more thing: sad is the future of those who do not seek companions, do not take others on the journey! Spiritual warriors weaken, faint if they have no one to fight for!
“First, the spiritual warrior fights for oneself, then — for others, and grows thanks to this. A warrior who has no one to fight for weakens and soon dies a natural physical and spiritual death.
“Therefore, one must fight!
“I invite you to My Depths!
“But do not try to entice people into Me!
“The Freedom which lives in My Depth is the highest reward only for those who truly strive for it and are ready to pull themselves out of the commonness and limitedness.
“Do not entice anyone into Me! I receive in Me only those who desire to live with Me, in Me — and not for a moment, but to unite their lives with Me!
“As a water current flows around all obstacles and runs to the depths, so you — pursue your course and do not turn back!”
Kind regards,
Littlepaw.
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Which website is that from ?
very curious
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Your link goes nowhere. How about you? Are you going somewhere worth being?
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watergaze wrote:I find rosy's post uncharacteristically clear and sensible (to me) . Apart from the edit on chickens, though I do see connecting lines to that as well.
One question I would have though and I would appreciate, rosy, if you could explain a bit.. You say the chamber "respected silence but not time." How does this not respecting time behave? - meaning something along the lines of: Why is it dangerous/bad? What would it do? What effects would it have?
I mean it in a sense that a sorcerer who has something to hide will manifest silence to obscure his secrets..
silence of the void is perfectly in line with MEST ..
silence manufactured around individuals is usually a barbaric attempt at "containing the female" or similar.
the only way such LIES and SILENCE can be made is if the CONTAINMENT is itself WRONG in terms of TIME.MES(t)
NOTE- if you wish to discuss anything that seems to be my own take on the universe, please direct it in a thread i have created.. I do not wish to detract from the core of this topic.
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“And one more thing: sad is the future of those who do not seek companions, do not take others on the journey! Spiritual warriors weaken, faint if they have no one to fight for!"
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How you learn about traps without venturing forth...you can't. Only by venturing, or attempting to venture, forth can you realize what is holding you back...what is holding you back is the trap that keeps you where you are. Some traps only exist at certain areas along the way. By fostering a clear view of how it feels to be on your path can you begin to discern when you err off and it is only when you err off that there is any danger of another trap. But, if you can manage to get out of the trap you are in now then chances are you will be able to work yourself out of any future trap you may find yourself in. That is the true skill of the warrior...imho.
added: those who worry about traps without venturing...their trap is fear, and it is clear how it holds them back. Be brave warrior.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:“And one more thing: sad is the future of those who do not seek companions, do not take others on the journey! Spiritual warriors weaken, faint if they have no one to fight for!"
Yes, there was a time...I refer to as the good ole days, when I did not care if I was alone as a warrior. Funny how that changed, and now that I think of more than just me, it feels a greater responsibility, more heartache, and more uncertainty than I care for. It was definitely easier before, but the other funny part is I wouldn't want to go back to the old days of only it being me, in fact, I would consider it a fate worse then death.
In a sense we will always be alone...just us and spirit,...but once in the company of other warriors, you realize their essence brings you closer to a tangible relationship/path/future with spirit, and that you cannot find with every person you meet. Everyone has a different ap assemblage and warriors share a similar assemblage thus make great companions on the journey. Just think if we didn't have the internet here, we'd be restricted in the tonal to our local environments and people in them.
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i find that EXILE is the best place for a warrior, The mental and emotional madness and trial that a warrior goes through is a wonderful bearer of POWER should he suceed on the warriors path.. But the plain and simple truth is that if a warrior begins to fail he will make energetic attachments to those around him..and so become a burden on those he treads the path with!
As the warrior will not know the outcome of the battle for a while after it is fought it is best not to take chances with those you love.
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Yes, there was a time...I refer to as the good ole days, when I did not care if I was alone as a warrior. Funny how that changed, and now that I think of more than just me, it feels a greater responsibility, more heartache, and more uncertainty than I care for. It was definitely easier before, but the other funny part is I wouldn't want to go back to the old days of only it being me, in fact, I would consider it a fate worse then death. In a sense we will always be alone...just us and spirit,...but once in the company of other warriors, you realize their essence brings you closer to a tangible relationship/path/future with spirit, and that you cannot find with every person you meet. Everyone has a different ap assemblage and warriors share a similar assemblage thus make great companions on the journey. Just think if we didn't have the internet here, we'd be restricted in the tonal to our local environments and people in them.-Ravenmoon
So very true RM. It is truly just us and the spirit.
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