Internal dialogue

[Guest]

““The internal dialogue is what grounds people in the daily world. The world is such and such or so and so, only because we talk to ourselves about its being such and such and so and so. The passageway into the world of shamans opens up after the warrior has learned to shut off his internal dialogue.””

[Guest]

You must learn how to stop your internal dialogue at will. At the beginning of our association I delineated another procedure: walking for long stretches without focusing the eyes on anything. My recommendation was to not look at anything directly but, by slightly crossing the eyes, to keep a peripheral view of everything that presented itself to the eyes. If one keeps one's unfocused eyes fixed at a point just above the horizon, it is possible to notice, at once, everything in almost the total 180-degree range in front of one's eyes. That exercise is the only way of shutting off the internal dialogue.
      The internal dialogue is what grounds us. The world is such and such or so and so, only because we talk to ourselves about its being such and such or so and so. The passageway into the world of sorcerers opens up after the warrior has learned to shut off the internal dialogue.
      To change our idea of the world is the crux of sorcery, and stopping the internal dialogue is the only way to accomplish it. The rest is just padding. Nothing of what we do, with the exception of stopping the internal dialogue, can by itself change anything in us, or in our idea of the world. The provision is, of course, that that change should not be deranged. Therefore a teacher doesn't clamp down on his apprentice. That would only breed obsession and morbidity.

[Bob May]

I used to walk about two miles a day doing this excercise.
It works. I stopped the world.
Then I had to try and put it back together.
It is the most important thing Don Juan taught Carlos.
Don Juan also said that stopping the world comes a little at a time and then, all at once. I agree. It comes just like that.
I like to think of it as reafirmations become constant and you find yourself living in two worlds at once.
It is like an acid trip that you do not come down from for a very long time. Maybe months.


Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

[Guest]

Yes! A little at a time...more and more until it becomes the habit that takes the place of the previous habit...the internal dialog.
I was able to get there by listening...I had found that when I was washing dishes or taking a bath...anything that involved a part of my body being immersed in water...the water "talked" to me...that is, I perceived a cognizant awareness that was less like a single or discreet entity but literally best described as a "voice of many waters"...it was more than one thought stream but not chaotic or conflicting...and in the years since I first heard the water...it has become a more clear and singular voice but only in the perceiving of it...it is still the voice of many waters...
To listen to the water's thoughts and ideas...I had to be silent! The communication was from within me because it is like the water, in contacting my skin, sends the info through my skin into my "within."
It truly is finding one's self living in two worlds at once...it is far better than that which it replaced...it was a big relief, to me, as well...I was tired of hearing myself!

[Guest]

and damn it! Ever since I replied to this thread...I'm back at square one on the internal dialogue!

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