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“I am happy that you finally asked me about my controlled folly after so many years, and yet it wouldn’t have mattered to me in the least if you had never asked. Yet I have chosen to feel happy, as if I cared, that you asked, as if it would matter that I care. That is controlled folly!”
We both laughed very loudly. I hugged him. I found his explanation delightful although I did not quite understand it...
"With whom do you exercise controlled folly, don Juan?” I asked after a long silence.
He chuckled.
"With everybody!” he exclaimed, smiling.
"When do you choose to exercise it, then?”
“Every single time I act.”
I felt I needed to recapitulate at that point and I asked him if controlled folly meant that his acts were never sincere but were only acts of an actor.
“My acts are sincere,” he said, “but they are only acts of an actor.”
“Then everything you do must be controlled folly!” I said truly surprised.
"Yes, everything,” he said.
“But it can’t be true,” I protested, “that every one of your acts os only a controlled folly.”
“Why not?” he replied with a mysterious look.
“that would mean that nothing matters to you and don’t really care about anything or anybody. Take me, for example. Do you mean that you don’t care whether or not I become a man of knowledge, or whether I live, or die, or do anything?”
“True! I don’t. You are like Lucio, or everybody else in my life, my controlled folly.”
I experienced a peculiar feeling of emptiness…
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Now, DJ was very clear about the Path with Heart. The path has to have it. Now, this was titled "heartless" regarding not caring, and it being a controlled folly.
This is an interesting note which seems on first glance, quite contrary - the quotation - implying apparently what Josh construed as 'Heartless.'
Yet DJ speaks about the path with heart - so what gives?
Now, first, I do not see this as 'the toltec path' or especially a 'religion.' I do see the series offering a set of techniques which can a) open a doorway to the nagual or 'unknown,' and whilst many have already crossed this doorway which is fine - it also offers b) strategies and techniques which can be extremely helpful on the path such as (and not limited to), *recapitulation, *stalking and *dreaming and c) tools for whatever one decides they are or should be (ie warrior, sorcerer, et al).
But there is a huge misconception say, on DJ and saying he had no compassion - or such as the above, not 'caring.' The masteries and so forth can be used as basic seasoning (as we were talking about salt - seasoning if you will, salt and pepper), the real journey is our path, and its gotta have heart.
So I read quote above, I see title Heartless - and yes, I see it as a wise quote and understand it, still like anything written, and per warnings, I do not take any wisdom as 'gospel' or literal, I do not shun the obvious which is within me and knows much better.
The main deal I see per unconditional love is that - looking at it, examining it as a 'word' and perhaps creating various unrealistic expectations of implementations (ie we are 'striving for impeccability' not-necessarily there quite yet), on the same token - to shun the obvious and say, use the techniques as lower level excuses to act like assholes and not give a damn about unconditional love is not only folly, not only falling away from controlled folly, but downright stupid. It is ignoring a vital aspect of the path to free one from not only their own suffering but the suffering of others by invoking their own stupidity and thrusting it on them.
Therefore, I caution with the CC masteries, techniques, toltec, et al, dont use them as an excuse to be an ****, and if conflict is seen or felt, dont worry about resolving it amongst the masses of wisdoms, seek the wisdom within to guide you - and dont ignore the TRUTH which answers back from the voice within.
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Edited --- good post, Datura!
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Windwalker wrote:
Edited --- good post, Datura!Thank you!
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What I take from what Don Juan said was that its not that he doesn't have feelings, but rather that he does not cling to any of them. If he feels affection in a moment with Carlos, he experiences that and expresses it as laughter, an embrace, what have you. But a minute later he is not 'reflecting' on that, he is in a new moment and is himself new. His self-reflective process has come virtually to a halt. I say virtually because there would still be a level of self-awareness, otherwise he would forget he's Don Juan .
Now you got me in the mood to hear the band Heart.
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Nu Lang wrote:
What I take from what Don Juan said was that its not that he doesn't have feelings, but rather that he does not cling to any of them. If he feels affection in a moment with Carlos, he experiences that and expresses it as laughter, an embrace, what have you. But a minute later he is not 'reflecting' on that, he is in a new moment and is himself new. His self-reflective process has come virtually to a halt. I say virtually because there would still be a level of self-awareness, otherwise he would forget he's Don Juan .
Now you got me in the mood to hear the band Heart.
I wouldnt mind hearing them too!
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Nu Lang wrote:What I take from what Don Juan said was that its not that he doesn't have feelings, but rather that he does not cling to any of them. If he feels affection in a moment with Carlos, he experiences that and expresses it as laughter, an embrace, what have you. But a minute later he is not 'reflecting' on that, he is in a new moment and is himself new. His self-reflective process has come virtually to a halt. I say virtually because there would still be a level of self-awareness, otherwise he would forget he's Don Juan .
Now you got me in the mood to hear the band Heart.
The difference in self-reflection between 'social' man and warrior like Don Juan is that the self-reflection of 'social' man shines from mind, thus warriors self-reflection shines from will. It is not possible to reduce it completely, just to maintain it differently in more fluid manner.
Adding to the topic theme, in my opinion unconditional love is the most powerful motivating force. With it great deeds could be walked through. Also, unconditional love is very dangerous feeling, especially if it is destroyed, then self pity is threatening and dark occupations are soaring in mind that feel unbend. Anyhow, only love matters... The true love, with controlled folly for bypassing the hormones in mind.
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Unconditional love. Only creature of maintaining it for its own life is the dog.
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Yes, and I'm thankful for the dog...imagine a world without dogs. We'd have no representation of pure unconditional love to encourage us in times of need and loss of faith. I need to get me a dog, when I move back to the states, if I manage to settled down enough I want to get one so I can learn from him. I won't ever completely embody that unconditional love as he does, but some can rub off. Having cats is great but when you have the flu, are sad or hurt, they really don't give a sh**. Sorry cats but its true...and I tell them so. Heck, when I'm sick in bed, that's when they get even more upset I'm not paying attention to them, lol.
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God is unconditional love . A dog is also a reminder and doer of this unconditional love. IMO.
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Nu Lang wrote:Having cats is great but when you have the flu, are sad or hurt, they really don't give a sh**. Sorry cats but its true...and I tell them so. Heck, when I'm sick in bed, that's when they get even more upset I'm not paying attention to them, lol.I've not had this experience with cats. In fact my last cat Willy (aka Princess Willy Sparkles) was quite the healer. If I had migraine, she would come sit as close to, if not right on top of, my head if she could. Also with various other ailments, she seemed to know and would lay her kitty energy right on the perfect spot. It's true that cats, and dogs can smell dis-ease in humans.
About unconditional love, it's everywhere, once you start to see it, it kind of dominoes on you.
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You had a cat named: Willy?
I still have a 'willy' named: Willy
Fancy that!
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Enchantra wrote:Nu Lang wrote:Having cats is great but when you have the flu, are sad or hurt, they really don't give a sh**. Sorry cats but its true...and I tell them so. Heck, when I'm sick in bed, that's when they get even more upset I'm not paying attention to them, lol.I've not had this experience with cats. In fact my last cat Willy (aka Princess Willy Sparkles) was quite the healer. If I had migraine, she would come sit as close to, if not right on top of, my head if she could. Also with various other ailments, she seemed to know and would lay her kitty energy right on the perfect spot. It's true that cats, and dogs can smell dis-ease in humans.
About unconditional love, it's everywhere, once you start to see it, it kind of dominoes on you.
All my cats ...they just wanted to be loved. There are moments when I hold mine...he's purring and he presses his body against me, I think thats when he's 'giving back' a bit and I take what I can get Otherwise, I'm here for them as far as they are concerned.
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unconditional love imo ,is the consistent genuine acknowledgement, of all choices within existence and non existence.
This 'genuine acknowledgement' is the foundation of controlled folly, through Spirits will, to offer other choices for perusal and therefore, acceptance or rejection happens..
ie..a choice is made..
Everyone " loves a choice".huh?
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Unconditional love. Only creature of maintaining it for its own life is the dog.
One of my friends once said to me that if you had a dog as large or larger than you are and you ran out of food you and the dog would starve to death together.
If you had a cat as large as you were and ran out of food, your cat would eat you.
I think he was correct.
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Enchantra wrote:Nu Lang wrote:Having cats is great but when you have the flu, are sad or hurt, they really don't give a sh**. Sorry cats but its true...and I tell them so. Heck, when I'm sick in bed, that's when they get even more upset I'm not paying attention to them, lol.I've not had this experience with cats. In fact my last cat Willy (aka Princess Willy Sparkles) was quite the healer. If I had migraine, she would come sit as close to, if not right on top of, my head if she could. Also with various other ailments, she seemed to know and would lay her kitty energy right on the perfect spot. It's true that cats, and dogs can smell dis-ease in humans.
About unconditional love, it's everywhere, once you start to see it, it kind of dominoes on you.
I've had a few cats over the years who were healer-cats. Some weren't, as well, but the ones who were were very clear in their intention. When I fractured my shin, one of the healers would lay on top of it, purring. Another, when I was pregnant, kept rubbing her head across my belly. Yet another was so in tune with me that I fully expected him to start speaking to me in English! All depends on the cat, I suppose.
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Bob May...funny! And likely. They'd wait till you were unconscious before eating you so I'll give them that much, lol.
Windwalker...nagual cats it sounds like.
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Nice post Bob...Im sure your right the cat would eat you.
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