03-18-2011, 12:00 AM
This is for Nemo.
I would like to address this sneaking or “darting past the eagle” and its implications in a little more depth. I have never been comfortable with the term Eagle used by DJ. He said he did not care for it either but just got used to using the term. But what is being referred to when he used the term Eagle? DJ was at least clear about that. He said he was referring to the source of emanations.
He reminded me that the description of the Eagle came from the ancient seers. The new seers were through with description, comparison and conjecture of any sort. They wanted to get directly to the source of THINGS and consequently risked unlimited danger to get to it. They did see the Eagle’s emanations. But the never tampered with the description of the Eagle. They felt that it took to much energy to see the Eagle, and that the ancient seers had already paid heavily for their scant glimpse of the unknowable. “How did the old seers come around to describing the Eagle?” I asked. “They needed a minimal set of guidelines about the unknowable for purposes of instruction,” he replied. “They resolved it with sketchy description of THE FORCE THAT RULES ALL THERE IS, but not of its emanations, because the the emanations cannot be rendered at all in a language of comparisons. Individual seers may feel the urge to make comments about certain emanations, but that will remain personal. In other words there is no pat version of the emanations, as there is the Eagle.” FFW
I find this very interesting because one would think that the source of the emanations surely would be far more mysterious than the emanations themselves. But it appears that DJ is saying that seeing the Eagle is more universal than seeing emanations which “remain personal”. However he did describe the Eagle as “the force that rules all there is.”
Later we find DJ telling CC that The Eagle bestows awareness upon individuals and that seers both old and new saw that upon death this awareness resembling something like a fluffy cotton ball rises to the Eagle’s beak and is devoured.
My purpose here is not to wrangle about certain definitions for this source. For what I intend, all of the above is fine. I am just setting the stage here because it is the “darting past the Eagle” option I wish to focus on.
So DJ also tells it is possible to avoid being devoured by the Eagle and retain a certain sense of individuality and awareness. This is further explained as a “reward” for living an impeccable life and keeping one’s “ticket to freedom in mint condition”. Whether this is achieved in groups or individually is not so much my concern here.
What has been expressed in this forum at various times and in various ways is that the energy body must be prepared so that it can readily accept awareness and that if this is mastered and can be done consciously then at the moment of death or sooner the physical body can be abandoned, or transformed or whatever and awareness transferred to the energy body which is then free to dart past the Eagle and endure in that vastness “out there”. This is the only viable option ventured in the sorcerer’s world. Heaven, hell, soul or reincarnation etc are all devoured along with individuality and awareness by the Eagle. The sorcerer is striving to “dart past the Eagle” and maintain an individual awareness beyond the limits of a physical body in what is perceived as a less limited energy body.
Now at first glance this seems like a wondrous proposition and possibility. To not be bound to this materiality and a physical body and it certainly seems preferable to being devoured and then oblivion.
Has it occurred to anybody (other than SHM) that this is so dualistic? That this option/view maintains a distinction between individual awareness and what is considered source or anything else for that matter! And that switching vehicles, physical body to energy body, addresses the vehicle but not awareness itself and just reinforces the idea that awareness needs such vehicles to carry it. That not only are all realities and beings potentially hostile to individual awareness but also ultimately so is the Eagle! That the Eagle gives a nod and a pass, is hardly reassuring when it comes to the Eagle but instead fosters the attitude that, “Whew, ok we made it by, now the Eagle will leave us alone, let’s go explore”. Does this not represent a dedication to the emanations and the science of their possibilities.
If the distinction of internal and external is not overcome by direct realization, then it will appear that awareness is always in need of a “container”. Then the container plus the contained awareness will always appear to be within a greater, vaster reality. Now perhaps there are those who do not care for my use of the word container and would suggest than an energy body is pure awareness and that it is not contained by anything. That the awareness IS the vehicle and is not “contained” within a vehicle or carried by it. I would point out that however you perceive the “transference” of awareness from a physical body to an energy body both “bodies” appear within a larger universe/reality. Not to mention the effort and discipline needed while in first attention/physical to “create” or become aware of an energy body and that the energy is capable of travel “within” different realities.
At this point I would like to point out an alternative view. I am not suggesting that anybody adopt this view as gospel, only if possible to just consider it. Toltecs were not the only ones concerned with this sort of thing. I would also like to say that what I am going to refer to has nothing at all to do with dying and going to heaven or hell type scenarios or reincarnation but is it to do with awareness itself.
Awareness only appears to “happen” within phenomena because of ignorance.Everything that appears to happen, happens only in awareness!
Dzogchen, concerns itself with awareness but also 4 different modes of dying. Mode 3 has striking similarities to “burning from within” and energy body but without the “baggage” of darting past the Eagle and all that that evokes. This also supports the idea of physical disappearance at the burning from within.
When, in the Longde and Menngagde or Upadeshavarga series of Dzogchen, the final attainment is carried to its very limit or very near it, the yogi may attain one of the four modes of death that are characteristic of Dzogchen. These are
1) The rainbow body or jalüv, which results from the “mode of death of the dakinis (khandrosvi),” proper to those who have attained the highest realization resulting from the practice of the Vajra-bridge or Dorje Zampavii pertaining to the Longde series of Dzogchen. This realization should not be confused with the so-called “rainbow body” resulting from specific Tantric practices of the Path of Transformation, which is not at all equivalent.(2) The body of atoms (lü dül thren du dengviii), which results from the “mode of death of the vidyadharas (rigdzinsix),” proper to those who have attained the highest realization resulting from the practice of Tekchö or the Nyingthik (which, as we have seen, belong to the Menngagde series of Dzogchen). This realization is compared to the breaking of a closed vase, upon which the internal space or dimension and the external space or dimension fuse.(3) The body of light (ökyikui or öphungii), which results from the mode of death called “self-consuming like a fire,” proper to those who have developed to a certain extent the fourth vision of Thögel and/or the Yangthik, and thus attain the second highest level of realization that can result from these practices. This type of body is often called “rainbow body” as well.(4) The total transference or phowa chenpo (powa chenpoiii), which does not involve going through the process of death and which results from the mode of ending life called “invisible like space,” proper to those who have attained the highest level of realization resulting from the practices of Thögel and/or the Yangthik. P158-159 Elias Capriles, Buddhism and Dzogchen (available free online).
Rainbow body is exclusive to Dzogchen and has been witnessed many, many times and even photographed. Dzogchen claims to not only be able to trace its lineage and introduction to this world and activity therein but is also capable of tracing its lineage through different eons and the named teachers of those eons and their activities across thirteen different solar systems other than our own and even knows the location of said solar systems. Not able to speak of this just thought I would mention it.
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I would like to address this sneaking or “darting past the eagle” and its implications in a little more depth. I have never been comfortable with the term Eagle used by DJ. He said he did not care for it either but just got used to using the term. But what is being referred to when he used the term Eagle? DJ was at least clear about that. He said he was referring to the source of emanations.
He reminded me that the description of the Eagle came from the ancient seers. The new seers were through with description, comparison and conjecture of any sort. They wanted to get directly to the source of THINGS and consequently risked unlimited danger to get to it. They did see the Eagle’s emanations. But the never tampered with the description of the Eagle. They felt that it took to much energy to see the Eagle, and that the ancient seers had already paid heavily for their scant glimpse of the unknowable. “How did the old seers come around to describing the Eagle?” I asked. “They needed a minimal set of guidelines about the unknowable for purposes of instruction,” he replied. “They resolved it with sketchy description of THE FORCE THAT RULES ALL THERE IS, but not of its emanations, because the the emanations cannot be rendered at all in a language of comparisons. Individual seers may feel the urge to make comments about certain emanations, but that will remain personal. In other words there is no pat version of the emanations, as there is the Eagle.” FFW
I find this very interesting because one would think that the source of the emanations surely would be far more mysterious than the emanations themselves. But it appears that DJ is saying that seeing the Eagle is more universal than seeing emanations which “remain personal”. However he did describe the Eagle as “the force that rules all there is.”
Later we find DJ telling CC that The Eagle bestows awareness upon individuals and that seers both old and new saw that upon death this awareness resembling something like a fluffy cotton ball rises to the Eagle’s beak and is devoured.
My purpose here is not to wrangle about certain definitions for this source. For what I intend, all of the above is fine. I am just setting the stage here because it is the “darting past the Eagle” option I wish to focus on.
So DJ also tells it is possible to avoid being devoured by the Eagle and retain a certain sense of individuality and awareness. This is further explained as a “reward” for living an impeccable life and keeping one’s “ticket to freedom in mint condition”. Whether this is achieved in groups or individually is not so much my concern here.
What has been expressed in this forum at various times and in various ways is that the energy body must be prepared so that it can readily accept awareness and that if this is mastered and can be done consciously then at the moment of death or sooner the physical body can be abandoned, or transformed or whatever and awareness transferred to the energy body which is then free to dart past the Eagle and endure in that vastness “out there”. This is the only viable option ventured in the sorcerer’s world. Heaven, hell, soul or reincarnation etc are all devoured along with individuality and awareness by the Eagle. The sorcerer is striving to “dart past the Eagle” and maintain an individual awareness beyond the limits of a physical body in what is perceived as a less limited energy body.
Now at first glance this seems like a wondrous proposition and possibility. To not be bound to this materiality and a physical body and it certainly seems preferable to being devoured and then oblivion.
Has it occurred to anybody (other than SHM) that this is so dualistic? That this option/view maintains a distinction between individual awareness and what is considered source or anything else for that matter! And that switching vehicles, physical body to energy body, addresses the vehicle but not awareness itself and just reinforces the idea that awareness needs such vehicles to carry it. That not only are all realities and beings potentially hostile to individual awareness but also ultimately so is the Eagle! That the Eagle gives a nod and a pass, is hardly reassuring when it comes to the Eagle but instead fosters the attitude that, “Whew, ok we made it by, now the Eagle will leave us alone, let’s go explore”. Does this not represent a dedication to the emanations and the science of their possibilities.
If the distinction of internal and external is not overcome by direct realization, then it will appear that awareness is always in need of a “container”. Then the container plus the contained awareness will always appear to be within a greater, vaster reality. Now perhaps there are those who do not care for my use of the word container and would suggest than an energy body is pure awareness and that it is not contained by anything. That the awareness IS the vehicle and is not “contained” within a vehicle or carried by it. I would point out that however you perceive the “transference” of awareness from a physical body to an energy body both “bodies” appear within a larger universe/reality. Not to mention the effort and discipline needed while in first attention/physical to “create” or become aware of an energy body and that the energy is capable of travel “within” different realities.
At this point I would like to point out an alternative view. I am not suggesting that anybody adopt this view as gospel, only if possible to just consider it. Toltecs were not the only ones concerned with this sort of thing. I would also like to say that what I am going to refer to has nothing at all to do with dying and going to heaven or hell type scenarios or reincarnation but is it to do with awareness itself.
Awareness only appears to “happen” within phenomena because of ignorance.Everything that appears to happen, happens only in awareness!
Dzogchen, concerns itself with awareness but also 4 different modes of dying. Mode 3 has striking similarities to “burning from within” and energy body but without the “baggage” of darting past the Eagle and all that that evokes. This also supports the idea of physical disappearance at the burning from within.
When, in the Longde and Menngagde or Upadeshavarga series of Dzogchen, the final attainment is carried to its very limit or very near it, the yogi may attain one of the four modes of death that are characteristic of Dzogchen. These are
1) The rainbow body or jalüv, which results from the “mode of death of the dakinis (khandrosvi),” proper to those who have attained the highest realization resulting from the practice of the Vajra-bridge or Dorje Zampavii pertaining to the Longde series of Dzogchen. This realization should not be confused with the so-called “rainbow body” resulting from specific Tantric practices of the Path of Transformation, which is not at all equivalent.(2) The body of atoms (lü dül thren du dengviii), which results from the “mode of death of the vidyadharas (rigdzinsix),” proper to those who have attained the highest realization resulting from the practice of Tekchö or the Nyingthik (which, as we have seen, belong to the Menngagde series of Dzogchen). This realization is compared to the breaking of a closed vase, upon which the internal space or dimension and the external space or dimension fuse.(3) The body of light (ökyikui or öphungii), which results from the mode of death called “self-consuming like a fire,” proper to those who have developed to a certain extent the fourth vision of Thögel and/or the Yangthik, and thus attain the second highest level of realization that can result from these practices. This type of body is often called “rainbow body” as well.(4) The total transference or phowa chenpo (powa chenpoiii), which does not involve going through the process of death and which results from the mode of ending life called “invisible like space,” proper to those who have attained the highest level of realization resulting from the practices of Thögel and/or the Yangthik. P158-159 Elias Capriles, Buddhism and Dzogchen (available free online).Rainbow body is exclusive to Dzogchen and has been witnessed many, many times and even photographed. Dzogchen claims to not only be able to trace its lineage and introduction to this world and activity therein but is also capable of tracing its lineage through different eons and the named teachers of those eons and their activities across thirteen different solar systems other than our own and even knows the location of said solar systems. Not able to speak of this just thought I would mention it.
(edited font color for easier reading)