Theun Mares student site

[Mornings Son]

http://www.toltec-legacy.com/



Does anybody have experience with their teaching facility and these people?Im interested in hearing, cos I don't have the time do engage them myself

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[shamanka]

money....apparently

books real expensive unless you get PDF's from internet..in which case they are free...

[rosygyro]

they let me on for a bit without paying..
but i eventually said the wrong thing and they kicked me off again.

I was asking the hypothetical question..
i cant remeber the exact words but this was the sort of thing.

If a man had six months to live as he runs from his natural enemy of death..
and a toltec appears and offers to cut out his heart in 18months time..
will the destiny of the ritual aid in longevity and also the victims/sacrificees perception of death?
I phrased it in the sense that rituas could increase destiny potential.

Howver unbenknownst to me theun mares was on his deathbed as this was june(ish 2011..
and i think my offer of cutting out his heart on top of a stepped pyramid to make him live longer wasnt well understood!

suppose it is VERY VERY VERY outdated..

[rosygyro]

I suppose i could outline the PHILOSOPHY  behind the need to sacrifice theun mares..
put simply Theun Mares was the dragon wolf, and as the dragon wolf his incarnation was part of the final days of the embodyment of Atl's resitence.
The infinite journey for Theun was never going to be a bolt of blue lightning darting off into potential energy till the total material inhabitation of the universe.
theuns corporeal template has already re-incarnated counteless times on countless worlds and will not do so on this world ever again..
he is locked in the deep earth, thrown back on himself by the force of universal transmutation!
His journey is still infinite... in fact more readily infinite than any energy form made by those who lost the batlle versus old age and death..
Theun like many honourable men CHOSE to die  without resisting it, infact even embracing his death as an act of intent...

I have seen several people take their opportunity to die like it was the only chance they would ever have..
I have seen people be teased by the OTHER, as if to miss your chance to die is to spend a few bittersweet years living but not ALIVE becuase the chance has been missed.
 the fleeting moment of chance exists around potential times/places of your death as well as simply opportunities for change during life and so to Aim to die is to clear the path to that point, if it is in line with intelligent co-operation for the total habitual position of man it will shift into an archetype and becon observation by the dreamers of man etc etc.. etc..
the path of the arrow once the target is set is irrefutable.

I was very upset when i heard of his death..
I had considered visiting the events in portugal as well as eastern europe and never for one moment thought i would miss the chance..
i wasnt seriously offering to cut out his heart (with a 110mm diamond disc anglegrinder/chopsaw)
its just in this day and age FEW people can tap into the pOINT OF NO PITY as it existed between jaguar priest and sacrifice..
I KNOW sorcery is not a great thing for the future.. and the old ways are flawed templates for today..
But that does not mean the past should be ignored.
with a bow and arrow draw the string back further backwards to fire the arrow further forwards.. Its very basic..

jeez.. fluidity is not the be all and end all..
we dedicate our lives, if they include folly then whoop

[rosygyro]

I was offering to move the target/death.. without disturbing the archetype... or at least to discuss the concept.

[Senear]

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rosygyro wrote:

I have seen several people take their opportunity to die like it was the only chance they would ever have..
I have seen people be teased by the OTHER, as if to miss your chance to die is to spend a few bittersweet years living but not ALIVE becuase the chance has been missed.
 the fleeting moment of chance exists around potential times/places of your death as well as simply opportunities for change during life and so to Aim to die is to clear the path to that point, if it is in line with intelligent co-operation for the total habitual position of man it will shift into an archetype and becon observation by the dreamers of man etc etc.. etc..
the path of the arrow once the target is set is irrefutable.

... jeez.. fluidity is not the be all and end all..
we dedicate our lives, if they include folly then whoop

Probably some of the most perceptive insight ive seen posted on these forums. It is not, however a surprise. I had a funny...thing, a few months ago. The golden spruce and white raven of Haida Gwaii. A debate between sea, sky, raven and tree. And Rosygyro and i believe Sacateca. Sacateca was the man who cut it down, ending the tradition of worship, but forcing an energetic...sharpening of the peoples sense of sharpness. A strange debate, as to the meaning of the act, between yourself and sacateca:
On the night of January 20, 1997, Grant Hadwin, then forty-seven, stripped off his clothes and plunged into the Yakoun River, towing a chainsaw behind him. The river was swift and the water was cold, but this was no problem for Hadwin, a self-described "extreme swimmer" who had alarmed local police in Whitehorse, Yukon, earlier that winter by spending a quarter of an hour in the Yukon River when the air temperature was thirty-five degrees below zero.
I didn't enjoy butchering, this magnificent old plant, but you apparently need a message and wake-up call, that even a university trained professional, should be able to understand. . . . I mean this action, to be an expression, of my rage and hatred, towards university trained professionals and their extremist supporters, whose ideas, ethics, denials, part truths, attitudes, etc., appear to be responsible, for most of the abominations, towards amateur life on this planet.

I did not record this exchange, but i can quote your posting above well enough, how the act was not a wake up call, but rather i can replace a few words
I suppose i could outline the PHILOSOPHY behind the need to sacrifice (Golden spruce)..
put simply (Golden Spruce) was the (earth root herald), and as the dragon wolf his incarnation was part of the final days of the embodyment of Atl's resitence.
The infinite journey for (emmisary) was never going to be a bolt of blue lightning darting off into potential energy till the total material inhabitation of the universe.
(emissary) corporeal template has already re-incarnated counteless times on countless worlds and will not do so on this world ever again..
he is locked in the deep earth, thrown back on himself by the force of universal transmutation!
His journey is still infinite... in fact more readily infinite than any energy form made by those who lost the batlle versus old age and death..
Theun like many honourable men CHOSE to die without resisting it, infact even embracing his death as an act of intent...

A year, the albino raven aspect, after the loss of the earth root, choose to end its journey by flying into a transformer, with intent, into energy. The end of the things that dreamed with me since i was a child, but only learned actually existed, one year ago.

So the debate, was this. To one (sacateca) it was an act of...awakening. The idolized tree, or dead fish, needs to end so that the people awaken to the spirit of the thing, suffering, a symbolic death for a spiritual awakening. To rosy, it was a transformation back to the root energy, as i understood it, with intent...choosen...by the thing itself...and to be clear, i did not fully understand as it was not my pereptual filter. To the Raven, and tree, it simply was an inverting circle that is infinity and a progression. Imposed, but accepted...2 moments of death. This is what the white raven brought, made relevant by using the names of people here, to showa path in intent, and not just a journey of avoidance.

So, again, good post. Ms, Shamanka, Rosy, It was waiting to emerge, so that the other could rise...such a folly! On the wings of dragon wolf raven trees. lol lol.

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[rosygyro]

i believe all sexual abuse to be linked to the knowns desire to reamin ignorant of the natural progression of time.
The world of the beast has strong elements of natural progression.
Although no-man needs to become lycanthropic, ive always felt that avenues of abuse stemming from the known could be derailed from human awarness
by creating an emotional maze stemming from the natural time of the world of the beast!
I also believe that tapping malkut directly from the sorcerers world when sexually recapitulating can access parts of the world of the beast which are more sexually human than our current state on earth!

[messengerpidgeon]

So following the sun dial
Each day
A archetypal
Wheel
Rosy will know
A
Horse man named lord pacau
And each wind a road
Inimini
And
Iminimi
Two trees
Each bound
Which sees
Follows above the dial
And when the winding bound
Has past a
Time
Then each will find
Tao sides
Yet each must equally see
What is combined
Those
That sat on the left hand of god
And those on the right
Who can now sail onward
As the stone is placed
And the sun seal
Will the other be the self?
And what has the bind found?
who has followed
How does the light get in?

[messengerpidgeon]

How is your heart rosy?

[rosygyro]

Firstly
within the three bands of man
the objective
the corporeal 
the subjective..

It is important to see that the corporeal of the band of man is also part of the habitual assemblage point and it is not just the original resistence of atl,(the earth awarness) which keeps mankind stuck on his position.
the corporeal is like an interlocking jigsaw.. Like Dna.. only corner to universal corner demarcating what is human.
the corporeal is also the epitome of intelligent co-operation.. there exists no space between beings in the corporeal..

The subjective as i have said before is like living at the foot of a bolt of lightning..
within the bolt it is nigh on impossible to stand.. and if you should stand it is not with your spine and legs.. it is with your chakras and energy systems..
each one working against the subjective in its own energetic way..
as such the subjective is like a dissection table, you the kadaver attemtping to re-align the true vibration of your inert and controlled parts.
you have to try to remove your social conditioning in order to take on your true form.
within the objective a falso space exists between the tesselations of the corporeal.. and to be a warrior you need to not cultivate attachment within the band of man.. But rather cultivate simple co-operation,. 

anyway i digress.

the SORCERERS world is objective to the corporeal..
the corporeal subjective to the sorcerers world.

But if the warriors path is trodden..
the points at which the abudant energy of the sorcers world can strike the corporeal become programmed/guided.
and the point at which you the warrior can stand is augmented by the changing nature of the riddles of awarness as you complete sections.
You cannot tread the warriors path and remain the same.

The codex nuttal has been seriously misinterpreted..
where you see lord eight wind.. simply turn the page..
and see who is printed on the other side THE TOLTEC.
 my heart is very weary.. this ae of man is a hot bed of chrlatanism... years have been wasted..and still some of the most evil men and women declare spiritual status..

there is an entire section of the easterly feminine that is set to be severed from the nagual..
and an entire section of the westerly male which is set to be severed from the nagual
the advent of the machine age is allowing a second edge to the sword of differentiation.
 atl' who decreed our awarness as resistence based can shift..
when this happens the mechnaical will become a part of the corporeal in the west.

THE TWO reeds do not need to be left and right path..
it will do to declare them as atl' earth based time.
and universal rythm time.. tzolkin.

like i said my HEART is weary of this free for all game..

[rosygyro]

here you go..
one below.. warrior.. severed from the tonal (three women)
one above sophist.. who will not connect to the westerly root.

cure.. sever sophist from the tonal and awaken his underworld lessons.

[messengerpidgeon]

I walk in awe
My heart grows weary too

Pakalian Group of Mexico. October 26. 2006.

” A few shall see what none yet understands; for man shall not know the coming until its hour and belief shall be not until the work is done.” (Lord Pakal Ahau).

[Littlepaw]

I was a member and I think it is probably worth the money. In my opinion Theuns books are a one off assuming that he is not a fraud and a liar............hmmm anyway incase you would like to see the man in action there are a series of interviews on youtube in which Theun talks about ....... stuff a good place to start if you would like to hear it from the horses mouth

[rosygyro]

Theresa great bit in the shadows of wolf fire where he describes the feelings of being severed from the tonal and nagual..
caught myself laughing when i first read it as i tried to throw the book down and knew i was hooked on a fear!
hahaha.

[Littlepaw]

A friend of mine had that book and two others in the series, I had borrowed the first one, Return of the Warriors and taken it with me on an attempt to go busking through france and eventually Spain during winter. On my first night in Calais I slept on the beach using my bag as a pillow. The bag in fact had a banana in it which went all over the book and made it difficult to give back to my friend and I never did which makes me ashamed because this is kind of trademark behaviour from me. I did buy for my friend a cool pair of Volkswagen cufflinks (he used to have a VW Van) as a present but I actually lost them which is strange because I do not usually loose things.

A part I read of SOWF which intrigued me was nearish the end where Theun speaks to the reader in a personal way like the princess in the never ending story speaks to sebastien.... used to love that film

[rosygyro]

the second and third attention still have roots of inertia.
when you are in second or third attention your physical body is still in the winds of power and forces of death!but if you are to transmute you must aquiesce to them.
2nd and third attention convey vitality true..
but just as maggots can be used to remove dead flesh so that you may heal there are even greater gifts within applying death directly to the areas of your being exposed when in altered awarness.
this is one of the main problems of SOBRIETY.. it tricks the warrior into no longer being naturally destroyed.
Theun i feel was tricked by power at the end..
he wrote about it many many times.. and with no-one to challenge him he was tricked by something without form.

[Littlepaw]

I suppose my feeling that if someone who I have built up as being a master fumbled at the end then what hope does anyone really have? I do not know enough to do more than speculate about such things. When my life fell apart sometime ago was right around the time Theun stated that he would not continue developing the Game of Life which was a computer game he was creating, his reason for this he said was that no one is interested. I have tried to make sense of Theuns death as being perhaps merely a choice although if you feel as though he was tricked by something without form I suppose it would fascinate me to know this, would change the game for actually.

[rosygyro]

well he got poisoned in slovakia didnt he?
someone turned up at the retreat behaved like a nasty tumbler and ended theuns path with an isotope or whatever,,
russians, slovakian mafia whoever, for whatever reason, 
maybe just to see the spear fall out of his hand.

[Littlepaw]

ok, news to me.

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