Gathering power

[Guest]

This is intended as a manual for the awareness harvesters as i guide the new nagual woman to her own path, perhaps i will gather all the posts on this matter to monitor her progression.
I dreamed again with the new nagual woman last night, she presented me
the first fabric she managed to create herself. I saw the day before
yesterday that alone or aided she successfully harvested 5 broken human
cocoons correctly. The point is not weather or not a harvester is
allowed to harvest is how to harvest in the best possible way without
putting herself in danger. Humans wilt death always, some from the
moment they get born, others at some point in life, the ones that die in
accidents do so because their cocoon imploded some nights before the
real thing happens. Like all living things humans need to balance what
they know to what they sense yet do not comprehend ( the unknowable) for
that reason some get lost in dreaming and their physical body is
weakened by the loss of contact with the double. Some lost contact too
far along and the double imploded in dreaming and the bits were returned
to the physical body, all of this kind will die in mass deaths (
accidents, social riots, murdered as a group).



For a human
luminosity harvester the purpose is to identify such beings in dreaming
then harvest their broken and twisted luminosity, consume it then
present their understanding of what they managed to harvest. That looks
like a fabric, because i was with the two women i had my own copy of
what i gathered to compare with the younger nagual woman put up. The
fabric presented by her had holes in it, some big some small mine was a
continuous fabric of human luminosity. Because she managed to achieve
that i will explain what the holes are. Most of the cocoons we gathered
that night were at adult age, that means that they had a sexual life as
well. I choose not to gaze at that part, so i offer the beings i gather a
deserved privacy on that matter. In order to complete my fabric i solve
the gaps with some kind of anticipation game ( scrabble, crossword the
one they prefer). To aid her compare and achieve a correct fabric i left
mine attached to her fabric to help her create her own. ( i suppose
that the other nagual woman will do the comparing as well).

[Guest]

I remember i got angry with her in dreaming and i took her fabric and stapled it to mine. I realised she was about to stitch her fabric that means she will exclude the sexuality out of the beings next life. What she should do instead would be separate the two pieces of fabric, unravel her fabric, make a string again (when she plays some game) then knit it until it looks like a flowing continuous fabric that is why i left mine behind as sample.

[Guest]

PerSyd wrote:dreaming and their physical body is
weakened by the loss of contact with the double. Some lost contact too
far along and the double imploded in dreaming and the bits were returned
to the physical body, all of this kind will die in mass deaths (
accidents, social riots, murdered as a group). 


  

This is extremely interesting.

[Guest]

This in neither new nor interesting someone usually takes them and makes sure they cannot return. Usually preying on children that cannot defend themselves what i see as the ideal harvester would fetch something like it's own match however that rarely happens. Because the idea of the worthy opponent seems to have lost it's original meaning, i would advise a being attempting such to pick on someone trained more they were then they would be proud of their own small victory. Taking someone without their age and experience or their seeing or sorcery training is unworthy of the name warrior, those that never were trained cause they were unlucky are not the harvester's prey for each taken the Eagle counts as kill by intent without punishment ( use of the Ra- Horus -Ra -unseen by the eyes of gods and mortals).
In the ancient maya world the nobles and the strong and powerful that were aware were sacrificed to the Eagle because the people amongst who they lived considered those worthy of it's attention. Those were the offerings it consumed gladly, however a bit forced it ate many more of those it found repulsive by pinching it's nose to avoid the stench they exulted. If and when it found them worthy of a rebirth, those that harmed the innocent used to suffer a lot and returned to life in a destroyed body regardless of how many times they asked for death, the mark of Cain is their sign. No one and nothing alive or dead would harm them living on and on until they found forgiveness, because that is the curse of a trained harvester that ended up exceeding it's attributions.

[Cedar Waxwing]

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[Guest]

In my dreaming last night i went on shopping and i met the older nagual woman trying to sell me a blouse. At first look was just what i was searching but at some point i looked at it better and was not even close to what i knew it should be.
My best guess is that she rushed into transforming the fabric( was perfectly knitted no holes) without asking what should be done next, i realised that she had learned how to harvest and knit before and the younger one should start by doing that properly without marveling at her own achievements so much( i happen to consider that not my job it's her teacher's task).
The human beings that are about to reincarnate, and will be reborn healthy newborns look like adults not children, and the adults are an age range for this time 20 -45 i see the healthiest babies were born with this form. People that know what is the next step are already aware that dead human energy looks human on the other side usually at the age they died dressed in the funeral clothes, so they are to be fitted into the limits of this age group before reincarnation according to the local tonal of the time. So the dead are offered clothes usually by the harvester of their luminosity and food until they look proper, that means small amounts of what the harvester eats ( they request, something like a biscuit the harvester does not particularly want, old clothes it does not wear anymore, a dress it does not use, that means the harvester feels an urge to clean the closet the cupboard from food that might have gone bad even if it was not meant to). They will attack a harvester that does not know what is doing or does them injustice, by sickening it, many grow ill because of that, so it is a job done by those that know the order well.
If the cloth that was offered does not fit or does not look proper( the harvesters natural tendency is to know size, ideal weight, height), like in my dream last night the being will be reborn an immature that will need tending most of it's life, if the life it had ended with such result the harvester must find the being next to it and present it as it is the consequence of it's actions. If however i see that it was a harvesters mistake of interpretation the dead will attack the harvester as unfair to them, so it must turn the dress into a fabric then recreate the age appropriate model or destroy it (burn it) and buy on it's own expense a proper blouse created by another ( that means that the harvester will ask another harvester that has a duplicate to give to charity an item that was bought never proper because the error in interpretation is older).  In the world exist hundreds of aware harvesters in one small country and tens of thousands that are unaware in a same country i measure after the one i was born into. That means that a meal is shared amongst a group for a purpose like the last supper and someone else that ate has an extra fabric as sample and then the harvester is free of it's action's consequence it can always invoke it always did the best it knew( that is why i take a sample of each harvesters meal when i am about to teach others).
So the next task for the older nagual woman is to fit adult clothing for the humans that will reincarnate together with the younger one. ( i happen to know the name for what she created it's called down syndrome that is why i refused the product she was selling).
Task for the harvesters now is to find out the ideal weight for adults male and female caucasian white height range 1.55m to 1.80 m female, and 1.70- 1.95 m male, average shoe size, average cloth size for each of this ranges. ( Underweight, or overweight babies are called dismature and can die, and i am certain none knows how much they should weight or if they are within the normal range or not).
Example: caucasian female, height 1,55 m, weight 45- 50kg depending on it's ascendants, shoe size 35 -36; caucasian male height 1.70m, weight 70- 80 kg, shoe size 40- 42.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Just a note: Per Syd refers to harvesting fabric/luminosity of a human's awareness, a technique used by the Tenant and taught to Nagual Women. This is done mainly to those who have a small or no chance to reach the eagle or have already suffered the eagle's blow which disconnected them from their double. Another type of harvesting Per Syd has referenced is that of the double. This can only be performed by naguals beings, allies and other types of inorganic beings. Harvesting doubles is done to create coats of awareness to replace their coats (eaten from many years by the foreign installation), the nagual uses the coat to become immune to the eagle's pull and puts it on when the time to shift is happening. This of course is very advanced nagual teaching and practiced in warrior groups once the members have gone through the preliminary basic instruction such as accessing their luminous shell, having the eagle vision, learning to move their assemblage points, losing the human form by reaching the place of no pity, silencing the internal dialogue, etc.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Further Note: The first premise of harvesting is also performed on powerful nagual beings for the purpose of sharing power, this technique is used by Tenants to increase their life span. There is no taking of the "fabric" but the sharing is very much like harvesting where the Tenant moves both their aps to the harvest position. The nagual being feels like they cannot move and are frozen during this process.

[tambourine wind]

How is this process of harvesting any different than theft?



It seems so fitting, the metaphor of fabric, because what does one end up with, other than an energetic Bride of Frankenstein, full of finite patches stolen from the dead?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Theft? Just your perception. I take something from you and give you something in return or the other means: I survive because you cannot. I do find your metaphor amusing I must admit and perhaps somewhat fitting.

[tambourine wind]

It's rationalized cannibalism, and probably the undoing of the real Toltecs.

[Guest]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Just a note: Per Syd refers to harvesting fabric/luminosity of a human's awareness, a technique used by the Tenant and taught to Nagual Women. This is done mainly to those who have a small or no chance to reach the eagle or have already suffered the eagle's blow which disconnected them from their double. Another type of harvesting Per Syd has referenced is that of the double. This can only be performed by naguals beings, allies and other types of inorganic beings. Harvesting doubles is done to create coats of awareness which was eaten from many years by the foreign installation, the nagual uses the coat to become immune to the eagle's pull and puts it on when the time to shift is happening. This of course is very advanced nagual teaching and practiced in warrior groups once the members have gone through the preliminary basis instruction such as accessing their luminous shell, having the eagle vision, learning to move their assemblage points, losing the human form by reaching the place of no pity, silencing the internal dialogue, etc.In my knowledge since the tenant was male he couldn't have been the teacher of any nagual woman on the terms of harvesting awareness. That was passed on by the nagual women to another nagual woman of this particular liniage in a form they understood and practiced since ( was presented as related to CC in the Kylie Lundhal videos as ripping the ball of yarn or the Abelar passes regarding the pull of the rope. )
Harvesting a human's luminosity has been done by the ancient liniages related to Mexico, Egypt, India, Tibet, Nubia, China and further on( NLW is correct, upon the Eagle's blow). Because of the many deaths that occur daily those that had the ability became the so known psychopomps: guides to the afterlife usually when a being finds itself overwhelmed by the situation it refuses to harvest the awareness and guides it to the nearest priesthood community for the aid a passed being needs, in asia is seen as the offerings for the monks consisting of meals given to those that posses certain knowledge , by the families in the community they inhabit and guide.( In my knowledge there is a powerful harvester community in Thailand that deals with the deceased. ) Someone with the ability of gathering the remains of a dead human is taught by the local priesthood what to do further for the soul that perished is still present in asian countries however in the west such thing rarely appears as part of knowledge passed on, i decided to post what i knew in here due to the relation this community has with CC and his witches.
It has to do with the last honor a living human presents to the dead, not canibalism humans do eat another humans energy with every meal however they are not aware of it in most cases. ( Canibalism did occur in the past in all the regions humans lived, that however is another story i will detaliate if and when time comes.)
I agree with NLW, this is not for everybody's understanding and certain parts of the CC teachings should have been understood and mastered to avoid undesired tonal association made by those that did not read fully nor comprehend a teacher's work yet. That is why i post for those that understand, beings i know from nagualism forums and met in dreaming, naguals that made me realise that they already know certain facts and can understand what i write then can adapt or use them properly further if they wish to do so.  ( I progress with new posts related to meeting them in dreaming, i was part of this forum's dream group, however the progression is due to their own involvement not my choice).

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Per Syd, I didn't mean to imply that the Tenant taught Nagual Women only that he learned how to do it and was able to perform the harvesting for his own means later documented in Castaneda's books. Again thank you for your meaningful posts here.

[Guest]

The tenant knew several things that were passed on to him by who taught the first nagual woman. I thank you as well for directing the forum members by explaining to them that first they should understand CC and the witches to be able to grasp what i post, also that they should pay attention to your own interpretation on the world of the unseen and those made by other posters as well. I will reveal how i will aid the older nagual woman in a different topic based on the question she posed to me in dreaming because it belongs to another kind of mastery. ( This is west also presented as mastery of awareness in CC books ).

[Guest]

This belongs to the mastery of sleep if i use my own system of reference.

[Docta Lee.sorcery]

Hello Nagual Wolf and PerSyd. It has been sometime....

[dreamgirl]

Docta Lee!!!!

[Guest]

Dear Lee you appear to be alive, i never met you before. I am curious what are you doing here, still i thought you left them as well.
Dreamgirl, your mate is dead as you are, if this man did not die he cannot be destined for you.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hiya Docta Lee. Drop me a pm sometime and tell me what you have been doing this last year.

[dreamgirl]

My mate? Whom do you speak of? I was just saying hello to Docta lee, not propositioning him.

[Guest]

Like you'd know the difference, doll. In my experience with you lineage such difference does not exist within your comprehension, it could be anything not necessarily a human being that would trigger the urge to ... mate.

[dreamgirl]

Actually, I am pickier than even you could imagine.

[delawaredan]

PerSyd is the least picky of all.  She has so much self importance that she continues to have conversations with those she calls corpses.    I guess there is no one alive she can stalk.

[Guest]

Doll, do not overestimate yourself i saw what you did in dreaming with your own kin read family picky corpse. That is how picky you are none else is ever truly good enough for you but your own blood, is it?
Goes for your brother as well, i do not comment further over you seeing on one another not me, that much pickyness does not make you smarter either.

[delawaredan]

I do not over estimate myself.   I am humble but I do not like bullies.   You may have seen me in dreaming, but do not forget, I see you too, and what you really are.    You can say whatever you want about me, I do not care.
However, I will protect my family from parasites.