Lucidity and Clarity

[Bob May]

Sometimes I wake up knowing some particular thing that I didn't know before.


These moments or minutes of mental/spiritual Clarity fade quickly, but not completely.


I am left with the residue of the thought or thoughts that shake my world as it was before those thoughts came to me.


That is a good thing.


It is as though these spiritual ideas cannot survive the light of the conscious mind. Or only in shadow form.


Two modes of thought. Mutually exclusive.


To put words on them dillutes them almost to the point of water only.




A few days ago I awoke in that state of Clarity, thinking that Lucidity in dreaming is a veil that confers greater abilities. Once a person goes through that
veil, (one that I have not experienced very many times), other abilities having to do with dreaming then become available.


Like any other "veil" it is a boundary that divides one condition from another.


Coupled with that idea was the realization that there also must needs be a Lucidity in waking life.


This Lucidity while awake would be a deeper realization of our condition while awake just as Lucidity in dreaming is a deeper realization of what we know while
dreaming.




Couldn't this "Waking Lucidity" be the very same thing as the Clarity that I have described?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I knew you had come to this forum before I logged on to it. Knowing is lucid clarity.

[dreamgirl]

Hey Bob May!!!!

I have read similar accounts of this experience happing to a handful of people, this is a particular interest to me, the ones I remember are Dr. Ann Faraday and Meta Zetta, and Lee Lozowick, the two latter I know little about. These few people have had a spontaneous awakening during sleep, to awake without an ego. Sounds fortunate to me, and I suspect this is what is happening to you. You already strike me as someone who is awakened, and thus you are at the doorway of being completely ego free. Here is what Ann Faraday has to say about what happened to her, I get this from Anglefire, but I could not copy and paste, so I am just re-typing it. Here goes:

"And far from being a matter of regret, this loss of self came as a distinct relief. In fact when bits and pieces of my old identity - hopes, fears, goals, memories, spritual aspirations and all the rest - began to recollect as I awoke, I tried to fight them off, in much the same way, perhaps, as the reluctant surviviors of near-death experiences resist the return to life's little boxes. But unlike those survivors, I brought back no blissful sense of divine presence or of a mission to accomplish, nor even immitations of immortality - just a total inner and outer Empty-ness which has remained ever since."

Now Dr. Ann Faraday is a psychologist, and was doing dream based work, this lead her to her experience. However, I am thinking that you are a Christian Mystic or similar ( I really don't know), but what I would assume is that repetitive prayer is what you are practicing, and this I think would produce a more "joyful" experience. But again I stress, these are just intuitive impressions from posts of yours that I have read, I could be entirely wrong. Maybe the egoless state is rather joyless, just impartial, I just don't know. One thing of interest to me is that Dr. Faraday wrote two amazing books on dreaming, Dream Power and The Dream Game, before her awakening, and has not wrote a thing since, this makes me wonder a great deal about her opinion of her work prior to her awakening. I still think her books rock, and am practicing the method myself.

I don't know why I am telling you all this, it just seemed that I should. Thanks for posting here, I really like your viewpoints.

Dreamgirl

[dreamgirl]

Here is the link to Ann Faraday:

[dreamgirl]

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/faraday.html

[Bob May]

Hi Wolf, ..Nice to meet you Dreamgirl,




Thanks for the link Dreamgirl. I will keep my eyes open for that author next time I get a chance to go to a bookstore.


You may be right that it has something to do with losing the Ego. I think the Ego tends to get "thinner" as a person get older if they exercise any
amount of self reflection and observation of the human condition.




What I think I am describing are "Glimses." We all get them. Our gifts are various, as Wolf said, he knew I would be here. That is a manifestation of
a gift. His particular gift.


With me, it is different. I have experienced many varied spiritual things over the years. The one that seems to have repeated more than any is this Knowing
upon waking.


It is obviously related to dreaming, but not in the way most often thought of in relaton to Don Juan's and Carlos' experiences as related in
Casaneda's books. I do not travel to other places in the astral or even know that I am dreaming. I have tried with little success. Yet I know that Dreaming
of some sort (there are many gifts and many various manifestations of those gifts) has been given to me.


Many years ago I was given an experience of wearing the "Coat of Many Colors" which was given to Joseph, son of Jacob. He was called "A Dreamer
and interpreter of Dreams."




I think the bottom line is to observe ourselves and discover where we get our "glimses" from. How do glimses from the Spirit manifest themselves to
Us in particular? Pay attention to how exactly these experiences come to us. It is there, I believe we will grow from having "Glimses" only into a
full awareness of our place in this Dream we call "Reality."




It is There, in paying attention to our Particular Gift, whatever that might be, that we will come to Know that we have been Dreaming, while merely Assuming
that we have been awake.






2 Pet 1:18
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.


19
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
UNTIL THE DAY DAWN, and THE DAY STAR ARISE IN YOUR HEARTS:

[ninth octave]

Hello Bob May,




What you are saying about this veil is very much what I get glimpses of right before the my mind wakes up in the


the am.


Right before all my 5 senses start to kick in and alert me to my familiar surroundings. But it is this silence (that you have


described so well ) are these little precise thoughts that get "whispered." I think DJ called it a dreaming emissary?


I think of it as the Spirit. I do have this static sound within my hearing that withholds a constant but very mild frequency


level that is always present..


Maybe all has something to do about pressing through the barrier of white noise aka the veil?. Whatever it is, it is


so close to us, that within this "noise" are probably the kept secrets of the universe?


I believe it when Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas (17) ..."I will give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard


and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."






Ninth Octave

[Bob May]

Hi Ninth,




Ah, The white noise!!


It is very familiar to me and my friends. Many a time staying up into the wee hours speaking of Spiritual things it was our constant companion. Like bacon
frying in the pan or leaves singing from the trees on a breezy day. It accompanies the Spirit. And like the Spirit, we are describing only a glimse again.




I followed that sound once in meditation and it grew to a roaring so loud that I thought it would tear my body apart and shatter my eardrums.




It is said that no man can see God and live. That may be because that man is no longer a man in the common sense of the word once he has experienced it.

[ninth octave]

Hey Bob May,




I'm by no stretch of the imagination a spiritual elitist, lol. I have yet to do meditation of any sort


but think its time I might try.


My mind was never activated by a power plant but I did have insomnia for almost 6 months straight


when I was a youth of 14.


Maybe this is how I was alerted to and opened up to the inner sounds of the night air when most people


are usually asleep and dreaming. I was being bothered to say the least by listening to this white noise.


There was an uncontrollable lull with no edge -probably like how one would become if they were unable


to steer out of the the doldrums.


What is"white noise" really about?




Ninth Octave

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