Starting ALL Over Again with Dreaming

[serloco]

Another dumb thing you said.... to use my own voice?

"Time is the essence of attention" !! duh.

A master stalker sits behind the scenes yet is really directing the show!

Ever see Professor Xavier speak and control another? Remember Sabertooth?

U prolly think it's just fantasy. For me art reflects life. Secret of the Ally.

A stalker can stalk any position of life, any role he can become.

[serloco]

Listen.... read..., conceptualize... form the awareness u need to make sense of things..

You want my answer as to don Juan's inorganic Hell n my solution found after long years? Read my thread "The unveiling of edited by yuku legal". It's a featured topic right now on the main board. Read closely n try to understand it.

[serloco]

I don't hate cha Gugey.. You are a lot like I used to be actually. Like I said I have many realities, n I just came from battle n I don't take no **** there, can't in fact. If I did they would own me in that place.. This forum is earthly, n shallow to me, but has young sorcerers n sorceress' coming n going, so I frequent here.

You little fledglings know little tho, r self-important, n u think u know everything. U think there is only one reality , n u think u know what music is for everyone , n all things too. u trap each other n urselves.. crazy.. You can't even go where i go n u have no idea what is out there. U cant call my scouts, my music, my art, books, skies, nothin.. u have no tales of power yet.. and u bite the hand that feeds u!

[serloco]

Phil - del (my girl's song to me Wolf) me I am a wolf.

Fill- woman

understand?

it's awareness n form(alignment)

I am a real Nagual, my awareness moves them, slaps em, position's them, makes them, fills them with life(awareness) my life's awareness. Without me? Nope.

[serloco]

That is how u hook an Ally. MY awareness....MY ally. MY choice is. MY ideas r reality. They dance only to my music.

THAT is controlled folly.

[serloco]

You Gugey? Well your folly say's "The world is full, already charted, n nowhere to go"... "it's all their's"... all has been done.

No Allies for u, your surrounded by 'other's', prisoners like urself. N u all wurk 4 the 'Man".

[serloco]

u guys complain bout sorcery disappearing like phantom travelers !

Everything in my world reflects sorcery, n my life.

It's MY awareness n it is full of sorcery thus I see it everywhere.. u want sorcery n ur world? learn it!

another song i made one for one of my girls i had just met.. i was being honest with her
//www.youtube.com/embed/DiEwJTOderQ?featu ... detailpage

this is great one.. she says about me gettin so many Allies.. I was rejected her a bit.. makes them beg
//www.youtube.com/embed/jpcXfXHFrQA

[serloco]

I'll stop fillin ur thread with my tunes...its just amazing when everything is for you..

[serloco]

Another girl findin' my light 'creepy'
//www.youtube.com/embed/bh63nfmb3p0

[Mornings Son]

Gugeyewalker Thanks for you long good sharing of your experiences!
It comes to my mind... cleansing your room and yourself with sage. 

Looking back at your life, could there be any event where you have been surrounded by enemies (teeth)? 
Is you dreams pointing to recap that must be done?

Do you have a dream diary beside your bed and do you use it right when you wake up? 
Writing down your intend before lie down to sleep and dream, helps me to get a better recall. 

The exercises you do also helps building up personal power / awareness !! Good ))))

Best wishes for you further dream masteringMornings Son

[Gugeyewalker]

Mornings Son wrote:
Looking back at your life, could there be any event where you have been surrounded by enemies (teeth)? 
Is you dreams pointing to recap that must be done?

Do you have a dream diary beside your bed and do you use it right when you wake up? 
Writing down your intend before lie down to sleep and dream, helps me to get a better recall. 

 
I do not believe that the teeth and other halucinations at night are a direct result of any trauma. According to my mother I have been spooked by 'teeth' at night ever since I was about three years old (not a lot of time for many traumatic events to have occured) and it is not always teeth per se, but something that looks dangerous.

On the dream journal; ever since I read that Don Juan teased Castaneda about his journal labeled 'My Dreams' I never bothered. There is so much floatsom and junk in most dreams I never saw the advantage. Remembering, however I think is really important. Memory is the bridge between dreaming and waking life.

That is perhaps why really good recapitulation is helpful. A lot of dreams are semi-lucid now. My best shot at dreaming recently came after a day I had really concentrated on recalling details in recapitulation - amazing how we cannot even remember what we had for breakfast two days ago! We walk around in waking life in a mostly unaware fog, and so it is in dreaming.

This is ironic and funny. For two nights I have had dreams where I realize 'this is ridiculous, this isn't supposed to happen', but I forgot to look at my hands. In fact in one of them it was as if a house had landed on another and merged with it. As if one house fell from the sky catty corner to the other, and rested perfectly well on the original's foundation. I wandered around inside the house (houses), I could go from the living room of the original into the bedroom of the off-center house, and different people were in the rooms. I remember trying to figure out how the hell this could be real. In one room there was someone in there that I actually talked to about dreaming. But I never made the damn connection and realized I was in a dream, forgot to look at my hands. *facepalm*

Maybe there are some other memory devices that can help. 

So close for two nights.

Never tried the sage thing (I associate it with a particular airy fairy hippy chick I know so I am prejudiced against it therefore it may not work for me). Is sage really helpful though? Would sweetgrass work?

I am so impatient. I realize long dryspells are natural and it took a couple of years to be able to look at my hands for the first time since I was introduced to the concept. I'll get it.

[Mornings Son]

Hey G. 
About the sage, it just came to me. I use it in shamanic healing and cleansing. Does it work? in my experience it does work. 
I'm not familiar with the powers of sweetgrass, maybe give it a try?

Recap... yeah that is a pearl ))) 
I feel that all to often it is neglected, both by myself and other warriors. 
What do we recall, it depends on our level of awareness. How much of a consumer automatic zombie are you? The more aware we are the better our recall, don't you think so too? 

Another memory tool, during the day ask yourself 'Am I dreaming?' do it many times so it become a routine that you also will do in dreaming!

'I am so impatient' 
Staking with patience is one of the four methods Don Juan taught Carlos, maybe you would benefit from taking up practicing that. I guess fishing is a good practice for this. 

Thesseee teeettth 
Could it be that you from early age Saw the flyers??

[Gugeyewalker]

Well its been about 3 months since I heavily started putting the dreaming intent out there. And even though I have had a few weird dreams or 'dreaming experiences', I am still unlucid and stuck - I have been unable to find my hands.

Almost every night I think 'maybe tonight', and I remind myself quite often before going to bed. I put effort into being aware of falling asleep, I've occasionally tried the passes for dreaming before bed. I find it odd that when I was younger and less experienced this was often easier.

I dunno...I'll keep trying.

[Absyllyon]

Have you tried doing not- doings that focus your attention. Like a new way of dancing or complex movements involving mirroring movement with the one side of the body with the other whilst focusing intently on the sensation of your body as it moves through space? Miles of walking backwards on a wooded path with lots of contrasts of shading I find intensely relaxing, but also focuses my attention acutely. Can you translate any of your kung-fu training into a attention-meditation?
Perhaps going into dreaming from a more sober position would assuage your reason. Try falling asleep consciously. Relax your body until it is still and heavy as lead floating in a avoid, then imagine doing tumbles head over heals, first forward and then backward for a time - until you wear out your attention, then just relax and observe. When you imagine doing the tumbling be sure to remain completely relaxed and ensure that you can actually feel it. Getting butterfly sensations in your stomach would indicate that you are feeling it. Just watch as your body goes to sleep.

[Absyllyon]

Focusing the attention in a new way unshackles it until the new way becomes rote, so new more demanding exercises are implemented to keep it moving from been shackled to unshackles, thereby making it fluid and tensile.
The way I see the butterfly sensation is that it indicates ones nagual is moving from its position around the navel. You may notice that it is extraordinarily difficult to feel the sensation of rotating head over heel without any jumps. At a certain angle the sensation flips to its apposing angle on the other plane missing out a whole quadrant. The idea it to rotate with a complete sensation of every angle until the tonal moves from the head to the navel and the nagual moves from the navel to the head, at which point you will either be dreaming awake or dreaming whilst your body sleeps.
Also, to put your fears more at ease, see the tunnel world of the IBs as your liver. See it as an organ of unfettered passions which will need to be transmuted at some time. Do not fear 'them'.

[Gugeyewalker]

Thank you Absyllon.

My dreaming 'discipline' has became a bit sloppy if i think I don't have to put more effort into it than saying 'remember to look at your hands'.

Perhaps later in life when we've had some experiences, our tonals know 'too much' about dreaming. Its like a second barrier for me, and I have several 'expectations' about what will happen when I go beyond that barrier.

Maybe I should do some of the work you describe while also detaching myself from the results I expect in this next round of dreaming.

[Absyllyon]

Yeh, I am one of those people who saw my hands the night I read about it in CC's book. After that my expectations caused me to have to work excessively hard at seen them again.
I also find that once I have tried a technique and then forget about it for a few years and then try to do it again, I am not nearly as successful as the first time around. In fact the looking at my hands and asking if I am dreaming only serves to make me day dream in a numbing way. I can't get that fresh, new avid interest feeling again.

[Gugeyewalker]

Last night I followed your suggestion, but also have been doing a little tensegrity nightly (only 10 mins worth)...I focused on attaching the strands from the center of the will (a theme going around here lately) to my head, and inserting whatever wierdness those lines and tentacles have in place of internal dialogue. This resulted in restless between state for hours, and the feeling of being stuck on lines...finally I got to normal 'restful' sleep and dreamed vividly.

I had a dream about a friend of mine who vexes me, and before going to bed I had put the question out there as far as why he acts the way he does, perhaps dreaming would answer. So I had a vivid dream and flat out asked him, he explained why he is the way he is while we were riding in a car...

It explained a great deal of things

[Gugeyewalker]

Progress!

Finally for the first time in about 3 or 4 years I was able to look at my hands...

It was really odd, and even embarrassing on this forum which prizes the elimination of self-absorption...
Basically I had been dreaming that I was playing a video game and was towards the end-game, so I had been traversing through a sort of maze where I eventually came into what I believed to be my house. I knew I would find a 'verion of myself' inside there somewhere and I might have to fight it (kung fu style). Instead what I came to was a mirror...

I knew I was dreaming then. In the past dreaming of a mirror meant that I could practice changing my dreaming body, and even minor changes to my physical body's appearance by attempting to shape shift in front of the mirror. I believe I ironed out some wrinkles around my mouth that way once.

I held the image of my body, which was nude, as long as I could. I examined every detail while also glancing back to the hands from time to time. I became so caught up in what the body looked like, even mildly aroused. I played with the appearance a little, altering the length of the neck, attempting to cut some fat from the belly, and expand some muscle mass. I went over a different details for a long time all while making short glances back to my hands.

The mirror eventually began to fog up, I could not hold the image, and I woke up.

[jumpingmouse]

Your post is so welcome at this point in my life.  While is does me no practical good on how to proceed,  in comforts me to know I am not the only one who hasn't made any progress (or regressed ) for the last couple of years.  Your post encourages me to get over a stalling point, my own fears, or apathy, or both.     I get bogged down in worldly activities and put off things that I believe are truely important.  I'm glad I came here today.                Jumpingmouse

[Gestblinde]

There´s nothing wrong with taking up dreaming again, mind you.. if you feel the need to balance yourself by doing a spot of recapitulation or such your dreaming ability will temporarily disappear as you focus on other things.

[trinsic]

I just want to point out sage really helps me. I look at it as plant spirits protecting me by inhalation. either way it acts as a cleaning on my body and mind.Dreaming is really tough for me, Im pretty much a spectator in my dreams now. When I was yonger it was much easier.Im not a spectator in life as far as I cant tell, but I do not do many not-doings so I need to work on that.

[Mornings Son]

Sage is a good cleaning herb, I did not know that it could help with dreaming as well.

Good luck trinsic.

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