Trouble with I.B help please

[unknow]

I keep asking myself  what about I.B after you cross a 3rd gate of dreaming and after a while find yourself at the finish of 4th gate.... So my question is -is it useful to hang out with I.B. do we need them anymore?? maybe is faster to cross all gate of dreaming with them or .... So any answer will be useful

[Gugeyewalker]

This is up to you and you're nature. I would prefer not to work with the IB's that seem to tempt me to go to the twin world we are most familiar with, because it is full of projections that seem to appeal to my indulgences and this makes me suspicious. But if you are strong in spirit you can go there to serve your needs and then leave (after a while you shouldnt need them).

But not all IB are the same. I would bet that not all scouts are IB's either (although most probably are) but dreamers from other organic realms or this one.

Personally, I would prefer to work on my skills and use the dreaming body in the waking world.

Are you at the 3rd gate? Do you have an IB hanging around?

[unknow]

I am at 4th gate at finish (I just think that not sure yet) and before that I was often visitor of Inorganic world stuck there for almost 2 years (that was a second gate)! after crossing inorganic world.i was just work out my will in dreaming ,to move by my own will...and about useing dreaming body in a wakeing world dont understand that..dont understand anything about useing dreaming body in this world or using the abbility from dreams to use it here

[Gugeyewalker]

Using the dreaming body in the waking world is simply an out of body experience. Which contrary to what some cynics or skeptics think is a real thing that is verfied by science in the lab (will get reference if ya like)

In a dream you are to go and find yourself sleeping, or as you fall asleep ans stay aware of it, your dreaming body will peal away from your sleeping body.

Ive only had two brief experiences with this where I had any kind of control. In one experience as I fell asleep for a day-nap I felt myself rising out of the body, and turning back to look at myself lieing there. I could barely contain my excitement and decided to bolt up, but something like a branch was hanging over me that blocked me.

In another experience - the neigbor's dog (who I found as a stray and gave to them) used to keep me up with his barking. Sooo one night he was barking. I 'floated' over to the open screen window, and let out a long 'shhhhh'. The dog stopped barking, then I woke up - dog was quiet.
There have been many other instances where I begin to feel myself splitting away from the body but some damn thing keeps me from going further,

This kind of thing is described countless times in the Cataneda Books, apparently Don Genaro interacted with Castaneda from his dreaming body on many occasions. Imagine if you could do the same? If talented enough you could appear to others as a ghost, a dog, a mime, or just yourself! People outside the Toltec discipline report on appearing for others as an apparition all the time. This is the verge of real sorcery! 

When you get to this point we can go and visit each other and say hello! As many have reported being able to do this.

[unknow]

thx man,you help me alot and my thinking is to not go with them anymore ) peace

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