3gate of dreaming whit I.B.

[unknow]

I think,I made ​​a lot of work of crossing the third gate's of dreaming and whit I.B,now I have a lot more awareness in my dreaming,sometime's I think that it past a very long time while I dreaming,I managed to do a trick, to the language I touch the palate,when I do that I don't have to look at my arms to stay in dreaming....
Well what I done....
I consciously dive into dreams,had a vision to go through the door,then find myself in the room where I used to live,the room was all in dark,I find my arms and see a red smoke,thinking that is foreing energy I say intend to follow but nothing happands! I felt the fear,But I have overcome that I knew that is from I.B. went the room next door and I that someone sleeping on the couch,came closer and looked at him, thinking that I am that persone who is sleeping but it was not me he opened eye's,so I wnet out side of house. I was a winter night and I fell the snow, wearing clothes I had nothing and I could feel the cold in some kind garagge was light and one man was inside doing something on the car,I went in side and ask that man are you I.B. he said yes I ask him what kind I.B. you ar,then he said that he is a silver (orange or blue) I ask him to take me in you'r world but he said noooo and Did you not have a license and smiled (it sound like go whit you'r Intend) I smiled back I say my intend...... but nothing really change,there was some women whit the dog and she was I.B. i cam to her whit a really fighting conndition I think she was a death defire,I wanna go whit her becouse of new a.p....She invited me to enter the house and also insulting to stay away from it...next thing is that I wassitting on the road t with clothes on it watching the passing time of night turning into day changed very fast it came to me that I that could stop the world say intend and woke up here....
next dream was just about the will and energetycal body,and little about the herat,I met a couple I.B. and I wanted to be my allies they smiled and say ( yes yes a black...) so I came whit a black giant they said yes,I said yes I wanna they to be my allies so one of I.B. said you need go through the hole and showed me this place,It was a hole with some sign or symbol that is used in the form of a spiral I enter in that hole and close my eye's but i opened bucouse I was I afraid that I'll wake up in this world,ok I go out from hole and around me all full of people I kiss one girl and yelld is here any I.B. one girl came to me and say yes! I ask her can you show me how to use this hole,she said that she don't know but her friend know he used all the time,and that he had fun whit black giant I met her friend and he showed me another hole that he use to travel,so I ask him about to be my allies,he smiled and said something like not now the next time,I said ok but I have to woke up another time and that he said that he gonna wake me up,and he gonne... so I just walking throught my dream thinking I can go into the forest to find allies the i came to me to visit my friend but I could not remember how that was going tehnic what don huan explane something about time .....I that dream i was thinking just about the will and allies,,,I was changed into another dream but I was not awer... first and second dream I was aware (lucid)
yes question can dreamers go into I.b.world just whit intend,if they are visit they world before??
another oppinions....

[Guest]

Of course.

[unknow]

what?? can u give me more information.... thank's you...
And I see you'r forum but can be sure that I understand what is all about 1.2.3.

[Guest]

Just that for dreamers intent is the most powerful tool you have.   So yes, if you want to re-visit a world of the IBs INTEND it. Be careful about getting caught in misleading convos with the IBs, they can tend to derail a conversation from your original topic.   Try to stay on track. 
About the forum, much of it is invisible to non-members.  Basically, it's for dreamers to discuss and share their dreaming.  Just a general dreaming forum -- all paths welcome!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Unknow.nagual I have used the holes many times in dreaming and yes they are gates and most of the time they do not lead to Pelumbra (the I.O. world) but to other dreaming worlds and getting back is not hard.

[unknow]

Hej,something similary happed this morning while I was dreaming.... After realizing that I dreaming,went to find my body ( to see him as he sleep) walking whit one more man,I said to him man we are dreaming (like wooo) then in front of me was so many peoples (I knew them all from this world) laying on the floor sleeping but no one was me... maybe I have to chek betther... I move on and wanna enter in one room,but I felt fear,already  know that is from I.B. so I enter and see another sleeping body but it was a woman... what I wanna do next is  move my energetycal body in circle (like don huan matus explane) so I start move in the circle,I am not entirely sure what I was doing,but it came to me that I have to first see my body as a sleeping... it was coming to me some thoughts about the nagual.because I see one man and in this world I know him,and everytime i see him thinking maybe he is a nagual,so have on my mind that I have moving by my own will went to my room to look at my bed ,to find my body,I came in the room but the bed was empty.... Next on I was doing some creation like opening the door from distance puting colors around me and intending to see energy but when I star intending,yes the preception was change but I fell the I loseing energy and that I gonna wake up from the dream,so look back at a  hand's... In front of me was a girl and I ask her are you I.B. she said yes and ask me are you I.B.   I am automaticly responnd YES I AM,, ( and it was aaaa ?!?!?!?) then I heard in my head no,no I am human... little bit confusing....  I aproch to another I.B. and said to him to take me beyond human bands....he ask me are you sure... I said yes ( and the voice in my head I heard (ask him to be you'r allias) ) he said ok,and there was one girl came to me,very sexy and I forgot about that I was talking whit I.b. to go in beyond hunam bands,I wanna have sex whit her (and lately I.B.appearance to be very sexy when I traying to do something at my will,it like they what you (songbird) write roll away from real the topic,ok next thing I was looking at my hand's and trying to see,like (I don't have my physical arms,I wanna see energetycal part,and my hand disapired) but that often appearance when I look at the hand's... next thing I went to the room where was one girl I.b. and she said to me that she gonna take me to antoher world's,but I have to wait...becouse two man was in that room,so I have to wait tham to leave... The interesanting thing was I turn to right and ask the being to chek my ear,to see it is drty (like a joke) he respond ufff man it gonna bleed... nad I woke up here....the thing when I was cleaning my right ear it was bleeding...   Still trying to find my sleeping body.....   how to dive whit Inorganic Being to cros all seven gates of dreaming whit them,but not to lose you'r freedom,and when you are dreaming are you then inorganic???

[NagualHuman]

Now, all you must do is to forget about getting back, imagine like if you take time and connect it like a snake eating its tail, slightly feeling time as something that ever was, and allways was, and as something that always will be in ways that are of undefinite abstract yet very substracted definition of using IB, Introducing IBs to all your friend is a good way to begin, with these, when you speak like a dragon and then like chameleon it creates diversion that is of so Directive Immensity that the Bluntness must be used so that the Directive is not just imbelicis deconcept and such things like gateless gate and realm dreaming...

[Dreamer32]

unknow wrote:In front of me was a girl and I ask her are you I.B. she said yes and ask me are you I.B. I am automaticly responnd YES I AM,, ( and it was aaaa ?!?!?!?) then I heard in my head no,no I am human... little bit confusing.... I aproch to another I.B. and said to him to take me beyond human bands....he ask me are you sure... I said yes ( and the voice in my head I heard (ask him to be you'r allias) ) he said ok,and there was one girl came to me,very sexy and I forgot about that I was talking whit I.b. to go in beyond hunam bands,I wanna have sex whit her (and lately I.B.appearance to be very sexy when I traying to do something at my will,it like they what you (songbird) write roll away from real the topic,ok next thing I was looking at my hand's and trying to see,like (I don't have my physical arms,I wanna see energetycal part,and my hand disapired) but that often appearance when I look at the hand's... next thing I went to the room where was one girl I.b. and she said to me that she gonna take me to antoher world's,but I have to wait...becouse two man was in that room,so I have to wait tham to leave... The interesanting thing was I turn to right and ask the being to chek my ear,to see it is drty (like a joke) he respond ufff man it gonna bleed... nad I woke up here....the thing when I was cleaning my right ear it was bleeding... Still trying to find my sleeping body..... how to dive whit Inorganic Being to cros all seven gates of dreaming whit them,but not to lose you'r freedom,and when you are dreaming are you then inorganic???
 

If you really want freedom you better forget about making Ibs friends and having sex with them, I was stuck there for years. Have you been in their world already? To cross the 2 Gate of dreaming requires a relatively stable 2º chakra in your dreaming body, which means a relative control of desire. Ibs know that your arn´t yet stable and they are playing wit you while they eat your energy for free. You don´t wait for them to offer, you command them to take you to their world with clear intent. You don´t follow their stories, you don´t focus on the concrete, but on the abstract. That if you want freedom, of course. You won´t find your real sleeping body before 3º gate, but just see mental projections of it. Your dreaming body is of course inorganic.

[Mornings Son]

How did this hindu knowledge of chakra get mixed with the Dreaming body and Nagualism?

[Dreamer32]

Mornings Son wrote:How did this hindu knowledge of chakra get mixed with the Dreaming body and Nagualism?
Well, I supposed if your custom here is to "rewrite" Castaneda at your will inventing what the 2nd gate is about in contradiction with the books, you wern´t that attached to him. Was just trying to explain that emotional control is required to dream safe around entities.

[Mornings Son]

aha. Good ))
Right. I let me ask again. The 2nd chakra of the Dreaming body. That is new to me. Would you please explain it or link to this aspect of the Dreaming knowledge.

Personally i favor exploration also in knowledge and traditions. So no censorship ))

[Dreamer32]

All traditions are not separated, they all speak of reality, which is unity, and unity is everything that a warrior is intending. The dreaming body has energetic centers, aswell as the physical one, in all esoteric traditions we talk about 7 main centers (chakras), each asociated with a key aspect of our being, to open the 7 chakras by following the warrior's way lets the kundalini force pass trough you which is illumination, or in castaneda's words: "losing human form", which can be very violent, both in budhist, vedic, sufi, fourth way, sorcerers or wathever tradition, they all speak of the same.
Being jus an aspecto of our global develpment, the 7 gates of dreaming are another way to express the opening of the 7 chakras. 1º chakra deals with physical survival, and thus 1º gate of dreaming deals with survival of the dream (mantaining attention). 2º chakra deals with desires and emotions, and therefore 2º gate deals with your desires or emotions inside dreams, which are an obstacle to exercise "will power", which is 3º chakra, and 3º gate of dreaming. To confront inorganic beings without falling in desire is thus the challenge of the 2º gate of dreaming, like confronting the "others" in waking life without losing yourself is the challenge of the 2º physical chakra. All deals with the same, which is our emotional soberty. Without emotional soberty, you lose attention easily, and more easily when inorganics intervene. Everything you are not creating or controlling in a dream is usually their work, very planified and personalised for you according to what they think will make you lose attention, cause if you lose attention and get caught by emotional discharges, then they eat the energy you are expelling "by your own uncontrolled will". Thus, the only rational proceeding is to "isolate" scouts in the dream and deal with them directly, instead of with their projections.
As I´ve discovered, a greater soberty and attention tends "automatically" to direct you towards inorganics, cause you easily identify the source of the interference in your dreams. Now, if someone is fucking around in your dreams (or in your life), and you are sober and self confident, best thing to do first is to speak with him. To ask them some questions and make some tourism in his homeland doesn´t mean you are going to marry them forever. Fearing that means, of course, that you are emotionally unstable, cause every deal with them depends fully on your own desires: therefore 2º gate and mastering of desires is one and the same thing.

[Draco Fellicci]

I've been trying to find a way of channeling Inorganic - IOB's energy in most organic fashion and over the years the question, started to resemble an answer to other more intrusive question. The Inorganic energy is unlike Organic which is the current we are in right now, this attention.

The question is about the accessible energetic reservoir and the inner syntax used at any timewave, because the energy that is "not here" in reality creates balance between what energy is,... used and between the two attention at whole and also, what is paradoxical and sort of a parallel, that it is what is the seal of third attention made of.

As the energy of inorganic beigns is addictive, the only thing we can do to remain sober with using that energy and to relocate it's influence that the IOB's are channeling through the exchange of organic energy to us -/ with us -/ through us is to tell them loud and clear that we won't stay in their world.

So the question how to get in right syntax with the IoBs and the inorganic energy which is the core of the question at all, is more about getting to recognize the kind of energy and refluctuating it, relocating it's focus to elsewhere, than getting to know how to channel it.

Because however it may seems anytime, quite amount of dreams is filled to brim with inorganic energy as this is the world where all others cross and that is by the way the gateless gate.

The inorganic realm is below ours which does not mean anything practicaly in matter of sovereign position. Only that, that the organic energy contains inorganic energy.

[Guest]