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When a experiences dreamer dreams they can go through different gates. We call them 'gates' but they can be described as portals or shifts. Where one dreams, I feel needs to be addressed here. Most of the time a dreamer dreams in the real world of earth. We will journey through gates to a past events such as the house we used to live in (which may no longer be there), we may journey into the future where we might interact with future events (another gate). We dream real time in other places on on the earth, in houses, rooms,streets, etc. Often in these dreams we meet other dreamers and beings. There is a special personal gate we each have. This gate is where we have created a place that does not or has not ever existed except in our minds (example: such as carnival or town) and this place can contain created people but they are creations from your mind and do not exist. For another to enter your gate to your created place can be done but the dreamer has to pull the other dreamer pass their gate. With that said, mind you that inorganics can enter any gates including your special gate and interact. Often they do for this is a special type of energy and they love to roll play. A dreamer can go through thousands of gates to other worlds out there in space, to worlds within our world, to places that existed long ago, to worlds that can only be accessed in a special dreaming state (dream within a dream). By creating the dreaming body and learning to use it by manipulating its assemblage point one can do in dreaming just about anything in a lucid state. Thats's right I said the dreaming body's ap. Why? Because the dreaming body has its own perception and awareness and it percieves other worlds THAT IT IS IN using its assemblage point. Your human body lying asleep in bed has its ap with it, you do not take it with you. Make sense?
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Regarding the dreaming body having its own AP it makes sense at a level of rational thought. The thing is for me seeing is not rational. It sometimes (rarely) happens and it is nothing to do with any type of thought. As such I have no idea how such things as you speak of explain themselves when 'seen'. Im not trying to put down your post here LW. I think its an excellent post. My question is merely, is this a speculation, or something you have seen? If its something you have seen i would love to read a description of the experience. I find descriptions of experience way more valuable that extrapolated explanations if i am honest.
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Once we can lose our rigid intents and become fluid the lines between the attentions become faded and a warrior can ease into the third attention on their own or can be 'turned' by another in either state. The twin energy body/double can be accessed by anyone who has developed their double by dreaming and using toltec practices. A nagual being's double is indeed a manifestation with its own agenda. Its hard to put into words but imagine a twin brother who knows all about you but you have dim if any knowledge of him. You, being a nagual being are naturally more nagual then tonal in your normal state and you listen very closely to yourself and are aware of omens and signs from the spirit that you have a natural link to (you were born with it). In this 'normal' state you go about your business in a heighten awareness because your a nagual being. When you dream you are able to access your dreaming double (which has its own tonal) whose power you are pretty much a captive of, for it is you times ten (manner of speaking). If you can manifest the third attention you become aware of two minds, two double beings in one, four compartments separate but still one. The third awareness for you is binding as it gives you awareness of what is greater than you but is you. This knowledge and seeing produces the fire from within. One burns from inside to remove the walls put up since childhood. One learns what they are if they live through it. The price? One's humanity I suppose..(smile). Is your dreaming double a manifestation of a double being? Yes for we all our double beings for we have two assemblage points accessing different awareness's. Not speculation but actual experience Seesaw.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Once we can lose our rigid intents and become fluid the lines between the attentions become faded and a warrior can ease into the third attention on their own or can be 'turned' by another in either state. The twin energy body/double can be accessed by anyone who has developed their double by dreaming and using toltec practices. A nagual being's double is indeed a manifestation with its own agenda. Its hard to put into words but imagine a twin brother who knows all about you but you have dim if any knowledge of him.
This is an excellent way of explaining it. Yes, the double has his/her own assemblage point, and his/her own agenda. In my own experience, the double is the energetic vessel which has the potential to house total awareness after the warrior leaves this Earth. This is the process of "inhabiting the totality of oneself".
You, being a nagual being are naturally more nagual then tonal in your normal state and you listen very closely to yourself and are aware of omens and signs from the spirit that you have a natural link to (you were born with it). In this 'normal' state you go about your business in a heighten awareness because your a nagual being. When you dream you are able to access your dreaming double (which has its own tonal) whose power you are pretty much a captive of, for it is you times ten (manner of speaking). If you can manifest the third attention you become aware of two minds, two double beings in one, four compartments separate but still one.
Yes - just to confirm what you are saying here - this has also been my experience. The double being is born with 4 compartments of energy (the 2 compartments of "self" and the 2 compartments of the double). At some point the double goes to third attention, much as described in CC's works, to serve as teacher/beacon/mentor. The human "half" then spends a lifetime "following" that beacon - the transmigration of the soul from human to eternal, or from organic to inorganic.
The third awareness for you is binding as it gives you awareness of what is greater than you but is you. This knowledge and seeing produces the fire from within. One burns from inside to remove the walls put up since childhood. One learns what they are if they live through it. The price? One's humanity I suppose..(smile). Is your dreaming double a manifestation of a double being? Yes for we all our double beings for we have two assemblage points accessing different awareness's. Not speculation but actual experience Seesaw.
Again, just confirming what you're saying here. The price is indeed one's "humanity" in the sense that the things that are important to most "humans" are no longer important to the warrior once s/he has burned with the fire from within. I am fortunate in that I met and interacted with my double for a brief time, as I have described at length on my website. The ONLY thing that protected me from don Juan's caveat that "the warrior who meets his double is a dead warrior" was the fact that this occurred BEFORE I had gained the ability to *see*. That was the key element - but as I began to become more and more aware, as I began to suspect that something was very peculiar about this "man", I actually observed this "man" burn with the fire from within. Right in front of me. The burning had physical effects on me that were debilitating and damn near killed me. Literally. That was the moment my double went to dwell in "third attention" - and my impulse/compulsion to follow that other half of myself is what makes me a warrior, what makes me have "no choice" in the matter... which is precisely the way he and I set it up. Just simply "the way of things."
It's also important to note that the double may or may not be an exact "duplicate" of oneself. My own double has always been gender-opposite. Others say their double looks just like themselves. Personally, I think it's largely a matter of how the warrior and his double choose to play "the game" of Life. My double acts as a muse (something to be chased, never caught), and as a teacher through the art of silent knowing.
Achieving the totality of oneself is what occurs when the human self transmogrifies or transcends the tonal, and re-conjoins with the double in another attention. What is the totality of oneself? Simply this: the combined total experiences of self and double, including all so-called "past lives" (which really aren't "past" at all), dreaming and astral experiences, and everything both "halves" have experienced throughout time and beyond. Because the double is not constrained by humanform rules, the double IS the warrior's "parallel lives" - past, future, alternate dimensional. Achieving the totality of oneself is, of course, the first step toward the NEXT evolution. It doesn't end with totality. That's where it begins.
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Thanks QS I couldn't have said it better myself! The double is not always an exact replica of the warrior good topic. It may not even be in the form of a person because of the fluidity of its AP and preference of course.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Thanks QS I couldn't have said it better myself! The double is not always an exact replica of the warrior good topic. It may not even be in the form of a person because of the fluidity of its AP and preference of course.
Exactly. I like that you said "preference." Any being that has its own AP will have its own preferences... so it stands to reason that the double can be absolutely anything it may choose to be... and can change at will... which may be one thing that has led to legends of "shape-shifters".
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There are legends? I always thought it was real..
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lol, had a good laugh..
thnx
I also tick like seesaw, I like descriptions. I love reading experiences. But I also understand an experience that would show this might be a bit harder to describe . I would love a description of the state/experience of how it is when one aligns the two APs, the one of the double with the one of the tonal self. Is it similar to seeing/silent knowledge when one suddenly knows stuff one 'should not'. Like having a memory of something that did not 'really' happen. I could imagine that is a sign of aligning or catching the AP of the double a bit closer. But what do I know?
Also I am sure it has some other accompanying signs.. ones we (that means you, Lonewolf and quantumshaman ) could maybe bring to light in this thread
And what happens when we see/directly communicate with ourselves (our double) then, in terms of APs, would you also call that an alignment? Maybe of some other sort, hm.. brain explodes
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"I would love a description of the state/experience of how it is when one aligns the two APs, the one of the double with the one of the tonal self."
You see two places at once, literally. You are aware of being in both places, at the same time.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
There are legends? I always thought it was real..
Legends have their basis in truth, of course. But the consensual reality builds "legends" to hide that truth, so basically only a few *see* it. *shhhhh* Don't tell anybody.
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watergaze wrote:
I would love a description of the state/experience of how it is when one aligns the two APs, the one of the double with the one of the tonal self. Is it similar to seeing/silent knowledge when one suddenly knows stuff one 'should not'. Like having a memory of something that did not 'really' happen.
Memories that never happened - a favorite subject of mine. As for aligning the 2 assemblage points... that would be defined as "embracing the totality of oneself". It doesn't happen - at least not fully - during our mortal lifetime. This explains a bit more about don Juan's statement that a warrior who comes face to face with his double is a dead warrior. Reason being: when the warrior truly embraces the TOTALITY of himself... it's... well... TOTAL. Meaning - "there can be only one." Take it one step further, and it also implies that the conjoining of the 2 assemblage points creates what I have referred to as the singularity of consciousness. Like a literal re-birth - alpha/omega, beginning & end.
With that said, I have seen evidence (in my own life, but others as well) that the 2 assemblage points (self and double) can essentially "orbit" one another and cross orbits from time to time. In other words - not a total conjoining, which would result in the mortal self essentially leaving this earth, but a partial "overlap" that allows for those "memories that never happened" wherein the mortal human APPEARS to be "remembering" things that happened to the double - yet they FEEL like "real" memories as opposed to feeling like dreams or fantasies.
The double is the Self in eternity. The Self is the double in the now.
And what happens when we see/directly communicate with ourselves (our double) then, in terms of APs, would you also call that an alignment? Maybe of some other sort, hm.. brain explodes
This is why the art of silent knowing is so vital. If the warrior and his/her double were to come face to face, and if the warrior has mastered *seeing*, yes it would amount to a brain explosion... an instant re-conjoining that would, in essence, end the warrior's life as s/he knows it.
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This makes sense to me what you say quantumshaman. It is a fusing with the Double (to me this is the same as the Higher Self, Genius Self, Thought Adjuster) which is somewhat indescribably confounding... to put into words or make sense rationally, but it can be done in a way.
So does FUSION WITH THE DOUBLE = BURNING WITH THE FIRE FROM WITHIN?
Our Double is our direct connecting link with SPIRIT/INTENT... therefore to cultivate the relationship with the Double is essential
I feel I have some silent knowledge concerning this and I want to bring out into words... talking about it here helps I think
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quantumshaman wrote:watergaze wrote:
I would love a description of the state/experience of how it is when one aligns the two APs, the one of the double with the one of the tonal self. Is it similar to seeing/silent knowledge when one suddenly knows stuff one 'should not'. Like having a memory of something that did not 'really' happen.
Memories that never happened - a favorite subject of mine. As for aligning the 2 assemblage points... that would be defined as "embracing the totality of oneself". It doesn't happen - at least not fully - during our mortal lifetime. This explains a bit more about don Juan's statement that a warrior who comes face to face with his double is a dead warrior. Reason being: when the warrior truly embraces the TOTALITY of himself... it's... well... TOTAL. Meaning - "there can be only one." Take it one step further, and it also implies that the conjoining of the 2 assemblage points creates what I have referred to as the singularity of consciousness. Like a literal re-birth - alpha/omega, beginning & end.
With that said, I have seen evidence (in my own life, but others as well) that the 2 assemblage points (self and double) can essentially "orbit" one another and cross orbits from time to time. In other words - not a total conjoining, which would result in the mortal self essentially leaving this earth, but a partial "overlap" that allows for those "memories that never happened" wherein the mortal human APPEARS to be "remembering" things that happened to the double - yet they FEEL like "real" memories as opposed to feeling like dreams or fantasies.
The double is the Self in eternity. The Self is the double in the now.
And what happens when we see/directly communicate with ourselves (our double) then, in terms of APs, would you also call that an alignment? Maybe of some other sort, hm.. brain explodes
This is why the art of silent knowing is so vital. If the warrior and his/her double were to come face to face, and if the warrior has mastered *seeing*, yes it would amount to a brain explosion... an instant re-conjoining that would, in essence, end the warrior's life as s/he knows it.
This makes sense to me what you say quantumshaman. It is a
fusing with the Double (to me this is the same as the Higher Self,
Genius Self, Thought Adjuster) which is somewhat indescribably
confounding... to put into words or make sense rationally, but it can be
done in a way.
So does FUSION WITH THE DOUBLE = BURNING WITH THE FIRE FROM WITHIN?
Our
Double is our direct connecting link with SPIRIT/INTENT... therefore
to cultivate the relationship with the Double is essential
I feel I have some silent knowledge concerning this and want to bring out into words... talking about it here helps
What exactly is the DOUBLE?
You have to experience it for yourself. But I want to hear more insights and experiences and descriptions, we can go way deeper into this subject, and intuit it is a very crucial topic for advancement cause am feeling a certain soul excitement, its related to some inspirations I am receiving concerning dreaming possibilities...
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A siris wrote:
This makes sense to me what you say quantumshaman. It is a fusing with the Double (to me this is the same as the Higher Self, Genius Self, Thought Adjuster) which is somewhat indescribably confounding... to put into words or make sense rationally, but it can be done in a way.
So does FUSION WITH THE DOUBLE = BURNING WITH THE FIRE FROM WITHIN?
Depends on how one defines "burning with the fire from within." I think it's one of those terms that has a somewhat double meaning - rather like "there" and "their", or "hear" and "here". I could say I say my double "burn with the fire from within" and I believe that would be a true statement. I would also say that fusion with the double would = the human self burning with the fire from within, so it's a "double" process... or perhaps there needs to be another term... I have also wondered if being a double-being makes any difference in the process - but I really don't think so in the big picture. I've done a LOT of writing on the subject of the double, most of it from my own direct experiences. Some of it is on my website (the back story of "how it all began" and "the crystal & the nagual") - but I'll be glad to share anything I can here. There's no place to start that would make "logical" sense, so just ask if there's anything specific.
Our Double is our direct connecting link with SPIRIT/INTENT... therefore to cultivate the relationship with the Double is essential
I feel I have some silent knowledge concerning this and want to bring out into words... talking about it here helps
I'd be very interested in your silent knowledge.
What exactly is the DOUBLE?
My personal opinion/conclusion is that the double is the Self in eternity. My own double has told me that the human/mortal Self is the SOURCE - meaning that it's what WE do in the here and now that determines WHAT the double does, and in some cases may even determine what the double IS. When I say the double is the Self in eternity, what I mean is that the double - once projected beyond the physical body (more on that in a moment) becomes the "vessel" into which our consciousness/awareness is uploaded, not just at the moment of "death", but throughout our lives. What we need to Know, the double goes forth to discover - ergo... the notion of "past lives". Not really "past" at all, but movements/shifts of the double within the eternal now. Put another way: while we are here in the 21st century, our double may be living an entire life or series of lives in other times and places. My own double has said he has lived "a thousand lifetimes and some" - ALL of which are directly related to what the human/mortal self needs/wants to learn in order to facilitate his/her own personal evolution of consciousness. So, for example, my other says he was once "a little boy in Greece in the year 845". I have no particular ties to Greece that I'm aware of, but upon doing a bit of research into the shennanigans of Greece in that time period, I discovered that a lot of my own prejudices against "the church" may stem from what occurred there/then - so this "past life" is actually a tool to enable me to confront & examine my own beliefs: where did they come from, what can I learn from them, and - most important - WHY do they exist? Knowing these things helps me to uncover the layers of the answer to the first question: "Who are you?" And ultimately, that's really the ONLY question that matters, because THAT question contains the key to the door to the totality of oneself. Who we ARE actually IS the totality of ourselves.
You have to experience it for yourself. But I want to hear more insights and experiences and descriptions, we can go way deeper into this subject, and intuit it is a very crucial topic for advancement cause am feeling a certain soul excitement, its related to some inspirations I am receiving concerning dreaming possibilities...
That brings up an important aspect, in my opinion. The one place where the warrior actually CAN come face to face with his/her double is in Dreaming. So, yes, I share your excitement.
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I want to share, because quantum talked about the double as self in eternity... I wanted to share about experiences that represent, to me a drawing closer to the third attention. Here is one...I was in my living room in China...few months ago. I saw a street with certain trees. It was a residential area, and very distinct appearance. I thought to myself, "this looks like Texas". I was still aware of being in China in my livingroom. In other words, I saw both views and was aware of both environments. I thought maybe someone I knew pulled me to where they had lived before but I was not sure. Turns out it was this...later that evening, I was watching a documentary on the artist Rothco, that's his last name. And he grew up in Texas and they filmed the town and I saw that area with trees again for the second time. So my double, which is unconstrained by time, was accessed in such a way. This is not uncommon because people will dream of the future events this way. My point is, it also happens in the awake state I've experienced. Some would consider it telepathy but I was actually "there".
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quantumshaman wrote:
My personal opinion/conclusion is that the double is the Self in eternity. My own double has told me that the human/mortal Self is the SOURCE - meaning that it's what WE do in the here and now that determines WHAT the double does, and in some cases may even determine what the double IS. When I say the double is the Self in eternity, what I mean is that the double - once projected beyond the physical body (more on that in a moment) becomes the "vessel" into which our consciousness/awareness is uploaded, not just at the moment of "death", but throughout our lives. What we need to Know, the double goes forth to discover - ergo... the notion of "past lives". Not really "past" at all, but movements/shifts of the double within the eternal now. Put another way: while we are here in the 21st century, our double may be living an entire life or series of lives in other times and places. My own double has said he has lived "a thousand lifetimes and some" - ALL of which are directly related to what the human/mortal self needs/wants to learn in order to facilitate his/her own personal evolution of consciousness. So, for example, my other says he was once "a little boy in Greece in the year 845". I have no particular ties to Greece that I'm aware of, but upon doing a bit of research into the shennanigans of Greece in that time period, I discovered that a lot of my own prejudices against "the church" may stem from what occurred there/then - so this "past life" is actually a tool to enable me to confront & examine my own beliefs: where did they come from, what can I learn from them, and - most important - WHY do they exist? Knowing these things helps me to uncover the layers of the answer to the first question: "Who are you?" And ultimately, that's really the ONLY question that matters, because THAT question contains the key to the door to the totality of oneself. Who we ARE actually IS the totality of ourselves.
Is the Double 'within', or is it external to us?
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Quantumshaman, just wanted to say thanks, I am enjoying your posts here.
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A siris wrote:
Is the Double 'within', or is it external to us?
It's both - a "quantum duality".
From my website:
DUALITY - Meaning, literally, "two things simultaneously". This is not the same thing as dualism, which implies perception through opposites (i.e., dualism is the human propensity for perceiving black/white, good/evil, god/devil, male/female, etc) Duality implies the evolving perception which enables us to see that past and future, just for example, are no different, but only different perceptions according to our location in time. Duality further allows for two seemingly contradictory conditions to exist simultaneously, without either obliterating or in any way usurping the other. Example: "a love/hate relationship". Another example: We exist as mortal human beings in the Now, and simultaneously as eternal beings through the energy body of the double. Duality can be studied in the statement, "You must be immortal before you will know how to become immortal." As long as we are locked into a linear, static perception of reality, we are prisoners of dualism. The double begins as an aspect of Self, and if the warrior is successful in "creating her double", the double is projected beyond the Self and begins to function on its own - as NLW has said, it has its own agenda and its own AP. But it is nonetheless an aspect of the mortal/human Self at the same time.
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Hi, everybody.
Just wanted to let you know that apparetly I have 3 accounts on Yuku, and only one of them is working at this point. I've received several private messages sent to either "alien" or "quantumimmortalis",and cannot log in to those accounts. So, if anyone is trying to reach me privately, please use this account only. quantumshaman
Thanks... hope to hear from you.
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The Double becomes you as you become the Double, as you are crafting and perfecting your dreaming energy bodyDouble loves to manifest through creative art... acting, dancing, singing, writing, painting, etc, acts of true humor in honor of the Spirit, not vulgar no-class antics... and through 'elevated' play, high games of consciousness-
Enjoy the experience yet keep in mind Death and the ruthlessness of Nature,
Whats the best way to commune with or experience the Double?
Can the Double talk to you as a person face to face?___Would there be any benefit in such a dialog?
Can the Double counsel you through your thoughts/mind/imagination/dreams?___Or does the Double act rather than talk?__
Or does It speak with the speechless speech of inner silence?
The Double is a manifestation of Intent/Spirit/Infinity... what can it do in dreaming?__
Which dreaming experiences and goals are the most worth pursuing?_
I have an idea and feeling of my Double/HigherGenius_self...
seeking and intent to experience
SPIRIT
& Her INTENT/WISDOM/LOVE
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The Double becomes you as you
become the Double, as you are crafting and perfecting your dreaming
energy bodyDouble loves to manifest through creative art... acting,
dancing, singing, writing, painting, etc, acts of true humor in honor of
the Spirit, not vulgar no-class antics... and through 'elevated' play,
high games of consciousness-
Enjoy the experience yet keep in
mind Death and the ruthlessness of Nature,
Whats the
best way to commune with or experience the Double?
Can the Double talk to
you as a person face to face?___Would there be any benefit in such a
dialog?
Can the Double counsel
you through your thoughts/mind/imagination/dreams?___Or does the Double
act rather than talk?__
Or does It speak with the speechless speech of inner
silence?
The Double is a
manifestation of Intent/Spirit/Infinity... what can it do in
dreaming?__
Which
dreaming experiences and goals are the most worth
pursuing?_
I have an idea and feeling of
my Double/HigherGenius_self...
seeking and intent to
experience
SPIRIT
& Her
INTENT/WISDOM/LOVE
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So any idea what happens when the double consciously meets another double (rather than the physical self) in dreaming? This is what happened to me; I met another me, and we (these two bodies) meditated for a long time in front of each other. The brain explosion you describe would only happen when the physical body meets a double right?
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When a double meets another double they interact, do stuff.
In your case where you write about meeting yourself i can only offer a speculative guess to say that what you experienced only appeared to be another you. I would continue guessing and say that what you actually met was something very different from yourself. For some reason it appeared as you thats all. Like i said its just a guess about something that sounds quite awesome and totally outside what my guesses can nail down.
Curiously Robert Bruce author of books on OBE documents several experiences where his waking awareness met his projected self head on so to speak. He describes it being a worrying situation that he reailised he should stop. I'm not sure what to make of his account in all honesty. I believe what he says but i can not come to any clear explanation of how he survived this other than to propose that his projected self was not fully formed double at the time. Maybe his extra compartments somehow shielded him. No idea again really i am clutching at straws trying to explain it i just offer his name and works so you can read about it for yourslef and come to your own conclusions.
There have been a few other comments about tonal and double merging and questioning wether this is 'the fire from within'. In the classical sense no its not. Its just the two sides becoming more alike, sharing their energy and awareness. The first stage of this has been referred to as 'the abstract flight' or 'sorcerers crossing', where everyday awareness pases over into the energetic double. I understand it was also referred to as 'the lesser crossing'.
Fire from within is something else entirely, by several orders of magnitude.
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Whats the best way to commune with or experience the Double?
Can the Double talk to you as a person face to face?___Would there be any benefit in such a dialog?
Can the Double counsel you through your thoughts/mind/imagination/dreams?___Or does the Double act rather than talk?__
Or does It speak with the speechless speech of inner silence?
The Double is a manifestation of Intent/Spirit/Infinity... what can it do in dreaming?__
Which dreaming experiences and goals are the most worth pursuing?_
Whats the best way to commune with or experience the Double?
Depends on the individual and how they have "projected" their double. I was lucky enough to meet my double before becoming a *seer*, so that set the tone for everything, and ripped the underpinnings of "reality" out from under me sufficiently to get it through my thick head that the world is nothing like we have been taught to believe. After my double left first attention, communication shifted to gnosis, silent knowing, dreaming, meditation.
Can the double talk to a person face to face? Yes, definitely. Been there, done it. The advantage was that it proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that the stuff I had previously thought of as "fantasy" or "wishful thinking" was far more real than the so-called real world.
Re modes of communication, dreaming, silent knowing, actions vs. talk... all of the above. Symbolism is big, but also silent knowing. As to what's most worth pursuing? As always, that's up to the individual. The double has its own agenda, but that agenda is closely connected to what the human/mortal self is doing, and the pact/bond between self and double. The double is the vessel through which we may experience "past lives" or more accurately, "parallel lives." That being the case, what the double experiences is ultimately in alignment with whatever goals the warrior has set for himself spiritually.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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When a person is born, they go through many experiences that eventually makes up their assembled world. One of the experiences is dreaming. Dreaming is key to spiritual development. When we begin dreaming we experience different things that has a great influence on us. There are many peoples who dream and never develop their double. The double begins life much like a child does. At first it is seeing the world(s) for the first time. It isn't automatically full of wisdom and able to leap over buildings in a single bound. The double grows as we grow. It can be directed by us or vice versa. When one becomes able to go beyond the ordinary dreams of humans into the art of dreaming then we begin to entertain the goal of knowing our double. Once a person reaches adulthood their double has had many experiences beyond normal human belief. Silent knowledge is learning to communicate with one's double and to tap the double's more vast knowing and experience. A double has an assemblage point and once one can shift to that point and align with it then the third attention is attainable. I have seen my double through my eyes and seen myself through the double's "eyes" but when I saw myself I was sleeping. I have seen myself in my past through the double's eyes as I'm sure many of you have as well for the double can move through time quite easily. The fire from within is the burning of the tonal side of you and from the fire comes the nagual side of you. To burn one must crush the fi and invoke the silence of mind and body. This process could take several days/weeks and once one has risen they are no longer "human" in that they have shed their human side. To see both attentions is like shifting one's perception described nicely by Raven Moon. A example that we could relate to is when one wakes from a lucid dream and then goes back into the dream fully aware of being in a dream and lying asleep in your bed. Its a dual state and not hard to do. I always try and keep descriptions simple and direct because it is difficult to explain in words and I begin to talk in circles around myself.
It is our great luck to have QS here for her personal knowledge lies deep and comes from a strongheart. I would suggest members to check our her website by following the link at the bottom of her post!
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