Dreaming together

[bentheben]

Hi! I am not really good at dreaming as I still don't practise enough so I have lucid dreams just once in a while. But in last couple of months when I was
lucid my perception changed. So I tried a couple of times what CC wrote about, dreaming together. I tried to "grab" the person I wanted to dream with
and I think I succeded, but once I did that everything went dark and my dreams collapsed fast. So I tried again next time but as I have been thinking and
intending a lot to dream together with that person I just end up dreaming about that person but it is probably just IB or whatever but not the real person. And
I just can't grab it as I did once. Anyone knows what exactly should I do?




Thank you

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Use voice on the person and ask them who they are if you can in your dream. Another sign is in the eyes. If the person avoids your eyes they are most likely
not what they appear to be.

[bentheben]

I know how to check if the person is real. But what I would like to know is how to grab someone and dream with it together. As I said I remember Castaneda said
something about that but I only managed to do that once so I was thinking if anyone else knows anything about this. As I would be happy if I got some more
detailed information and instructions regarding dreaming together with another person.




Anyway thank you.

[ARNWAY]

I would like to know also because I'm not used to doing such a thing.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

One of the gates in dreaming is to enter the dream with another in either a self-created world or one where both have gone into with together. To do such would
involve two or more dreamers using their intents to do so. I will tell you the secret for beginners is to hold hands and sleep next to each other with same
intents. Women dreamers have the power to grab dreamers because of their physical natures. Women have grabbed me many times and pulled me out of my body but I
have only done it when I was lucid and found sleeping persons. As ordinary men we should seek powerful women dreamers to grab us out of our comfort zones.

[ARNWAY]

Just this week I had a dream that tested me or shaken my my cozy dreaming world even though it has never been that cozt at all.




I was dreaming with my energy body and felt that there was an anticipation in the wind even before I go to bed I feel energy around me and know a little to
what I can anticipte when I fall asleep only to start dreaming.




I had some half dozen dreams that were true dreaming body dreams and then I was in a room with about 10 or 12 people and when I tried to see there true
energentic form they did not change there configuration and they were all dressed in nicely casual clothing and they all tried to transfix my attention to the
point that I was under assult by them trying to pin me by group effort to to hold me hostage by holding my attention and I thought to myself this is bullshit
and started to to get really concerned because I knew what they were doing because I could feel the pull of there intent to transfix my dreaming attention by
pinning it down.




I was scared at first as a normal kneejerk reaction but I just knew that I could leave the dreaming scene as a defence but that was not that easy to do untill
I used what I use to escape the F.I. and it worked and the next day I looked forward to excercise the same action to deal with predator awareness.




Does anyone know what to do in a situation like this?




I was going to tell it out right but feel you should take the initiative to inquire how to deal with it.




I will share with you how to defend yourself but feel that sometimes I'm wasting my time and mostly energy stateing something if it falls on deaf ears.

[ARNWAY]

I am gun shy dreaming with someone unless I totally know what it because if I do not know what it is that is with me otherwise I will treat it as a F.E. when
then the energy configuration does not change from the human form and into Ablob of energy, I do not know the intent of the being infront of me to share
dreaming energy with because most of the time "I FEEL" they or it does not have the same interest as me so there for I just say goodbye.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Not knowing your dream..reflecting I can only add...do not fear...fearing is a enemy in dreaming.

[ARNWAY]

You are right Wolf but how do you tell if you should get involved with it?




It is no different than giving a stranger a ride in your car when he needs a ride.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Its a choice we make at the moment.

[ARNWAY]

I had a dream about 25 years ago that I dreamed with Carlos and Pablito and I was waiting for them in my dreaming attention and when they arrived I seen them
with dual perception, one point of perception was me looking at him face to face and the other point of perception was from the heigth of the ceiling looking
at myself looking at C.C. and Pablito and I would bounce back and forth from the two points of perception of me talking to C.C. and me at a distance watching
us three together.




I never emphasized this alot because I was unable to see there energy as it is at that time so I could not verify that it was them or I.B.'s.




Soon I will be able to move my point of perception back to that point to verify if it was them or not because when you reach or are aware of your assembledge
point of perception you can go back and remember the time of what transpired to that particular spot but I keep forgetting to do so because my attention is
engaged in another direction but I'm looking forward as I remember this dream to go back to it.

[Mornings Son]

Looking forward to hear what you See Arnway

[bentheben]

Well I thought I knew how to identify wheteher the person grabbed or summoned is real or not. But now I am not so sure anymore. Last night while I was lucid I
tried to grab a person and once I did dreams collapsed, all went dark but I kept my awareness and in couple of seconds new dream background appeared and the
person that I wanted to grab. I asked the person who is it many times and it said his/her name and I think we made eye contact but I wasn't really paying
much attention to its eyes. Anyway the next day I asked that person but she doesn't remember any dreams for that night. So now I don't know whether it
was a IB or was it a real person or could it be that I have "created" that person in my mind?




Any suggestions on what to do in situations like this? How to make sure what is it (Ok probably if I could see energy then it wouldn't be such a problem)?






Thank you for your time.

[DoktorGreen]

First, point with the pinky at her. If she stays in your vision, she is there. Then, get really close to her face. Almost touching. Watch her features. Do they
waiver? Are they concise and correct? If she appears clear and consistently in focus, then she has enough energy amassed for you to wake her in the dream
(almost never ). You can wake her to lucidity by shaking her with both hands on her arms.




Keep in mind, this assumes that YOU are clear, focused, and able to stay lucid AND IN CONTROL for some time....

[Eilias123]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:

Not knowing your dream..reflecting I can only add...do not fear...fearing is a enemy in dreaming.
Truer words were never spoken. i have a long story about dreamsharing, fear and dreaming. And how Ilet fear destroy my connection with the woman.
Now i KNOW not to be afraid.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

To know is the first step to freedom...fear will keep us from love from the path that has heart and one's soul.

[manifestactuality]

hi arnway.


This may or may not help, but i had a similar dream in which i was surrounded by older people, some i knew and some i didnt. they were also trying to
'hold' my attention. their premise was that they wanted me to stop playing my music because it was evil or something along those lines. the context of
their intentions i think is less important than the fact that they were trying very hard to occupy my attention. i was lucky because the dream setting was in
my home. being here, i felt empowered enough to tell them, or intend to them something like "this is my home, you people can hang this charade up right
this instant, and all of you WILL get the *** out of my house." the intensity of my reaction was sufficient to make all the people stand up and just walk
out on their own. things may have been different if i were in their setting, but this place was my bubble and they intruded and i escorted them right out. do
you remember anything about the setting you were in with these people? A suggestion for getting people to leave you alone in dreams would be to practice
getting super serious and super intense right before bed, as if you're about to make the biggest decision of your life. psych yourself out however you have
to, but keep cool and clear headed. most people/entities don't have the balls to *** with someone who is super intense.


Another thing, these people felt far more separate from me than usual. the lucidity and vividness of their faces and eyes were a dead giveaway that i was
dealing with external intentions.


again, their premise for coming into my home was very weak, but none the less the were here.


enjoy

[ARNWAY]

I encounter many foreign entities in my dreams and to have the choice at the moment to either get involved with interaction with them is not really clear with
me at the time when I am face to face with them, considering having the the privilege to know there intent of their presence.




I can compare the foreign energy that I meet in my dreams to the interactions of people that we meet on the street that are strangers and treat them the same
way by not trusting them at all.




I may ruin my chance to meet someone while dreaming by disappearing somewhere else but I will not take the chance of being energetically drained by assuming by
putting trust in a true dreaming body encounter without extreme caution.




I have been and feel that I have been targeted by in my "opinion" Russian or other dreaming groups dreaming to control my intent and I think after
"seeing" their energy being as being individuals appearing to be human with predator intent is not a big deal going after pinning my attention as a
feat of a warrior.




The true meaning of dreaming is "intent" and when you have groups or entities trying to pin you, you realize there intent and from that standpoint
you make your stand with your defence.




If there intent does not match mine then I say goodbye.

[dreamways]

bentheben wrote:

Well I thought I knew how to identify wheteher the person grabbed or summoned is real or not. But now I am not so sure anymore. Last night while I was lucid
I tried to grab a person and once I did dreams collapsed, all went dark but I kept my awareness and in couple of seconds new dream background appeared and
the person that I wanted to grab. I asked the person who is it many times and it said his/her name and I think we made eye contact but I wasn't really
paying much attention to its eyes. Anyway the next day I asked that person but she doesn't remember any dreams for that night. So now I don't know
whether it was a IB or was it a real person or could it be that I have "created" that person in my mind? Any suggestions on what to do in
situations like this? How to make sure what is it (Ok probably if I could see energy then it wouldn't be such a problem)? Thank you for your time.



Another way to look at dreaming together is as sharing a dream. But, here's the thing about dream sharing, it is not merging. So, its either your dream
that is shared or the other person's. With inorganic beings, it is usually the IB's dream that is being shared as it naturally has control over its
own dreaming, but we don't. If you can create a solid dream environment and bring somebody else into it, then you are an accomplished sorcerer. It is
easier for a dreamer to just make a "guest appearance" in somebody else's dream instead. One has to intend to find, but not interrupt the other
person in their dream, and then fit into that dream. If two people are trying to share a dream on purpose, they would first have to decide which of them will
be holding the dream and who will be entering it. There is a natural tendency for people to do one or the other.

[rosygyro]

Part of the new dreaming attention initialised on our current age, is bringing a unified dreaming membrane into focus...


much like the stratosphere it envelops the individual within space..... everyperson shares a membrane that is paradoxicly theirs.. and also planetarily unison
made...


although not all people are aware of this level of dreams as it is unhackable... it is very powerful......


as it is a natural event... dreamers will find they only occasionally impact this skin of their own awareness...... as if a global programme guides our
interaction with it!


to touch it once is a honour or a lesson... usually both.... but rest assured to touch this skin means you are dreaming the process itself... and as such are
in touch with the dream destiny of this planet!..


there will be no layer of this dream skin that allows manipulation of another...

[rosygyro]

"envelops the individual within space"




this is essentially a void envelope! it is akin to the zen system ... in terms of both energetic honour, and safety to ones life path!




between nothing and oneself it is found... but as soon as one tries to access it.. one only finds a shuffle , a movement that is felt in the hearts of every
man woman and child.. wether aware of dreaming or not! this motion is the common cause we all seek to empower at our most honourable level!


it is causality itself....


it is... a dream body enrgised by evolving awareness of a second kind! it is not tribal in nature, and it recognises no external freind or foe!.. it recognises
only evolving awareness on a species scale! and guides ones personal destiny to align with the planetary call!






its pretty much a sacred blue colour... between raw indigo and royal blue!.. but it touches no-one... not even ones self!.....


balance is soon to be restored.... we have enough technology nowadays to talk to people 8000 miles away... we dont need to debate language in dreams..or
special powers... we have technology beyond dream fantasy.... what we do need is a planetary dream net! that cannot be abused!.... and a good nights sleep that
shoots you out of bed like a destiny cannon, only to guide you to greater destiny in dreams.... dreaming awake... TAU.

[Guest]