History about dreamhackers

[hdoll]

Greetings.


I participated in your forums. Probably, someone remembers me. I am Russian dreamer Ravenna. My group was called dreamhackers. I have small news and the small
request to you. The matter is that our group managed to publish a materials of dreamhackers in books, but as a result of it we have lost copyrights to these
materials. Publishing house "Ves" which published books about us, actually, has artfully deceived dreamhackers. "Ves" have suggested to us
to make a digests from a practical training which we conducted, from theoretical themes - from all materials. These digests let out under the general name of
series. And now this brand became a property of the publishing house "Ves".


I tried to counteract it, but you even cannot imagine as in Russia simply to take away from authors of their right. Publishing houses deceive authors
continually. In a word, the dreamhackers have lost copyrights to the materials because the published book serves in Russia as the only proof of copyrights.


In 2008 one english writer has offered to me the co-authorship - my material + her editing of my awful possession by English language. We have written some
chapters and have addressed to the literary agent that he has offered us any publishing house. The guy has spent search in databases and has found out that
publishing house "Ves" already republishes through small (almost piracy) English publishing house the book with the similar name - Dream Hackers.
http://www.o-books.com/product_info.php?
products_id=600


But writer Reutov never was the dreamhacker. Recently I have begun correspondence with him, and he has impudently answered me that he is not obliged to be a
member our "facked groups" to use the materials of dreamhackers placed at our forums. I repeat that in Russia it really is the fact. But in Russia he
will deceive nobody. All dreames know that my materials belong to me! And consequently publishing house 'Ves" and writer Reutov will deceive you - the
western readers.


The Lone Wolf knows me for a long time. I do not deceive you. I ask your help. Extend on the western forums my information. materials of hackers Swindlers have
taken hold a materials of dreamhackers / The writer Reutov says to you that he is the magician and the dreamhacker. No. He is simply the thief. Tell about it
to people.


Yours Ravenna

[grandspeculator]

Dear Ravenna:




EVERY article writen in a forum is copyrighted by the author of it. Legally speaking if you can prove that you wrote a post on dreaming with an internet alias
you are protected by international law.




In Russia it seems that this simple fact is of little relevance. Perhaps an international association of authors could help you.




I suggest that you and your group simply keep on dreaming and having subtle experiences. In time a much richer book could be produced. And this time don't
say anything about it.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

I have known Ravenna for a long time. She has shared with me the results of her Nagual group in Russia and has attempted in the past to write and post on this
forum. Dreamhackers was what they called themselves because they literally "hacked" into their dreaming using mind control techniques and advanced
training in dreaming. What they accomplished was amazing indeed. I believe she wants to pass her study on but letting us know the "author" stole
their material. All should check out her link if your interested in what the Russians did with Don Juan's Teachings.

[grandspeculator]

The Dream Hackers
Book

[docta lee]

Wow that ssounds really kool


Those books will be available in 2009.... very kool indeed.


thanks

[hdoll]

My friends have carried out the analysis of this book. Here the reference to Russian site. http://dreamhackers.ru/index.php/topic,3385.15.html


You can use the autotranslator. You begin with the second page of themes is better. Pages of the book with plagiarism are noted by red colour. Actually, third
of book is materials of dreamhackers which the author has stolen from our forums. He even altered nothing - he has transferred our words word for word, but he
has made it as their author. This is pure larceny. We have written to the English publisher and have explained a situation. He has answered that he has give a
money in the project and does not wish to refuse it. He promised to change the book name. People, you simply remember that this don't book of hackers, but
it's a cheap fantasy into which the stolen materials of dreamhackers are inserted.

[explora]

It is great to see you post here again. I have lost contact. Can you please send me your email address once again? or write me through my website:




http://www.sealifedreams.com/forum/




I would love to resume contact with you.. I respect very much your work and dreaming, and have relevant dreams to share with you.




I am sorry to hear about the book.




Nick

[ARNWAY]

Something that I wanted to ask explora and hdoll is what intent are the dominant dreaming leaders have that you mentioned when involved in group dreaming
control?


The question that I wanted to ask specifically is that are they after the pursuit of freedom or the domination of other peoples dreaming awareness for there
own agenda?




Just curious because all you have to do is just reference history of leaders intent of the past.




I checked out the website that you provided and do not have the time and most likely will not because its so "big" to understand the issue that you
mentioned, also about the dream hackers.

[Guest]