Difficulty in dreaming

[trinsic1]

So I have read all of carols castenda's books and have been wanted to start dreaming. I have been attempting to look at my hands in dreams to start getting some lucidity. Unfortunately, I have been unable to wake it my dreams for over a year or two now.. I use to be able to do it when I was younger but now Im over 40 and wondered if its hard to do when you get older?
Can any one help me get on the right track?

[delawaredan]

Keep trying. I am in the same situation. I was able to lucid dream at will as a child but now in my 40's, I often struggle. I feel it may be a barrier you are meant to cross...one of the gates of dremaing. Keeping a journel of my dremaing has helped me connect to my dreaming. Even if I am not lucid, sprit offers many lessons once you remember.

[trinsic1]

OK I will keep trying. I have been looking at books to help me with this practice. One book that I found that is labeled under the lucid dreaming category is called "School of Out-of-Body Travel -1 - A practical guidebook" By Michael Raduga.
I didn't know out-of-body travel and lucid dreaming where the same thing and was wondering if anyone had any experience with determining the safety of using out of body techniques to create lucidity?

[trinsic1]

I had a Lucid dream this after-noon when taking a nap. I guess talking about it on this forums helped. I was looking out the window of a hostel. It was a unrecognizable place, but the architecture looks like it was based in California which is where I live. I thought to my self that I must have woken up on my double and been transported a great distance and I was discouraged that I might have to walk back to my home town. I walked toward a standing mirror to see if I could see myself in the dream, the image looked blurred or distorted. I second look cleared my appearance up and I looked exactly like I did when I went to bed with the same cloths.

I wend down stairs and walked out-side to get my bearings, in the distance I saw a church standing on a hill. I looked pretty modern and I was excited to explore this new place, but I realized that for some reason I need to find out where I was at first so I started walking back to return to hostel. I was then that I realized that I didnt know where it was as I had walked to far from the place. I thought back to when I was looking out the window of the hostel to get a vantage point to pin point my location and I remembered seeing an object outside the window. When I arrived at the location I saw two flying objects that had propellers like VTOLS like hover crafts that were small enough to either be single occupants or drones. One of them swooped down in a back flip fashion and landed on the street just as I entered the hostel. I went inside and talked with the tenant to see if she could help me find out which room I was in since I forgot. I think realized that I have been asking for things all my life and not giving as a first act. I then offered to help in anyway I could. Nothing happened at the point and then I woke up.



I forgot to look at my hands, but next time ill make more of an effort. Thanks for the reminder to keep trying.

[nemo.primeradiant]

trinsic1 wrote:OK I will keep trying. I have been looking at books to help me with this practice. One book that I found that is labeled under the lucid dreaming category is called "School of Out-of-Body Travel -1 - A practical guidebook" By Michael Raduga.
I didn't know out-of-body travel and lucid dreaming where the same thing and was wondering if anyone had any experience with determining the safety of using out of body techniques to create lucidity?

My explanation in this regard, trinsic1 (and then I will stop bugging you is:  Look at those things like radio stations on a frequency bandwidth. This reality is also a frequency, so as you gain in energy you naturally tune to another frequency. When you go to sleep and dream lucid, you are aligning the low frequency first attention with a frequency that is energetic. Which is similar to waking up in a neighborhood that has street gangs. Tuning into an astral experience is like going to another part of the city that has beings there that are more spiritually aligned with your raised energy. The divisions are energetic, not physical. As above so below, so to speak.
Warrior parties create energetic dreaming knots of energy, with their intent, so they are like their own gang. If you understand the city analogy, it is easier to see that you can go to parts of the city alone and be quite safe.  So we are left with the same old words that DJ also said, we must become misers with our energy, to move the ap, it's not really all about dreaming.

[delawaredan]

That is a cool dream trinsic. You do not "need" to look at your hands to become lucid. It is a tool to help you connect the frequencys that nemo points about.

[Littlepaw]

I remember reading that dreaming takes energy so it sort of makes sense that if you had enough energy you would be able to dream how ever you like. I know when I am focused on a few subjects or life situations I don't have any extra power for anything, I think that maybe those hermits who go off and sit in recluse probably have enough extra energy to find a few things out. I remember when I was very strict about what I did I had enough energy to do a few extra things. I think that what ever you hold on to about life also holds on to you somehow. I think freedom might be something like the the ability to choose intelligently what in life to hold on to and what to let go at the right time.

[trinsic1]

nemo wrote:trinsic1 wrote:OK I will keep trying. I have been looking at books to help me with this practice. One book that I found that is labeled under the lucid dreaming category is called "School of Out-of-Body Travel -1 - A practical guidebook" By Michael Raduga.
I didn't know out-of-body travel and lucid dreaming where the same thing and was wondering if anyone had any experience with determining the safety of using out of body techniques to create lucidity?

My explanation in this regard, trinsic1 (and then I will stop bugging you is:  Look at those things like radio stations on a frequency bandwidth. This reality is also a frequency, so as you gain in energy you naturally tune to another frequency. When you go to sleep and dream lucid, you are aligning the low frequency first attention with a frequency that is energetic. Which is similar to waking up in a neighborhood that has street gangs. Tuning into an astral experience is like going to another part of the city that has beings there that are more spiritually aligned with your raised energy. The divisions are energetic, not physical. As above so below, so to speak.
Warrior parties create energetic dreaming knots of energy, with their intent, so they are like their own gang. If you understand the city analogy, it is easier to see that you can go to parts of the city alone and be quite safe.  So we are left with the same old words that DJ also said, we must become misers with our energy, to move the ap, it's not really all about dreaming.

You are not bugging me at all. Just trying to learn all I can. Thank you for the response. I understand now that its more safe than regular dreaming then it seems like.
When you talk about warrior parties are you talking about don juans group or current groups.
I understand that don juan had to have carolos use plants to quite his mind. What if you are struggling to quite your mind. Or what if you cant stay consistent with it? I seem to get lazy and dont want to do anything alot. I almost fee like picking up and leaving because I know its everything that is going on around me i have a life and it drains me of energy.. But im stuck cause i dont have money right now to make many changes like that.

[glance left]

Been there, Trinsic. Motivation requires some free energy....and when we're in difficult circumstances, free energy's seemingly difficult to come by. But not impossible There's a way...and your inner seer can show it to you. It's just a matter of softening up the soil in presumed hardened and fixed circumstances. Just enough for something to take root. What if you take some time..maybe 10 minutes? And simply sit in silence with the intention of looking at the whole of your situation and finding a crack in the "impossibility"....and sliver of light to work with. Just be open to the possibility of "Well, maybe I can do this for a few minutes a day" Like take a couple minutes in the morning to write your dreams in a dream journal...which has been proven time and again to improve recall and increase the chance of lucidity. Or like take maybe 5 minutes a couple times a day to gather inner silence which expands that space needed to see....to have insights come...to find ways to save and gather energy....little practices one can do that can be very very powerful. Nothing esoteric or even noticeable from others' perspective...just you calibrating within your personal situation..making subtle adjustments...improving your energetic system. It doesn't take much...to tip the scales...and then you'll feel something like a "second wind"....a breeze of inspiration....of new possibility. It's a great feeling and, even though I've been on this "path" for awhile, I have to do the very thing I'm recommending to you....quite frequently! To find movement again when I feel trapped or discouraged.

[glance left]

And with respect to what Nemo put forth above about dreaming groups (and it may seem like we're arguing..but we're not...I've tremendous respect for Nemo...he's a very advance practitioner and has deep knowledge/wisdom/seasoned perspective to offer )...another way of looking at it is this. One reason why groups of people gather together is to harness the benefit of group intent, which can be very powerful in the vein of motivation. Some are gang-like, I suppose...forming something coherent and aggressive in dream realms to gain power or sustain protection or whatever motivates that type of group or "gang" mood. Not all groups of people are like this though, right? Not everyone forms gangs. As an analogy, some people form book clubs...some people form share circles or self-help groups....some people form groups to simply get together to solve problems..."task forces". The same goes with dreaming groups...there are some which get together to simply hone one another's insights, motivation, connections in dreaming....to help propel one another to deeper experiences in this regard. To explore the possibility of shared dreaming.



So its about having some discernment about what you want...what works for you. There's a huge buffet of possibilities and supportive elements out there.....myriad! Take alot of one or little tastes of many....or none at all...it's up to you. The key is simply developing a keen sense of what you need for your personal growth...what works for you. And that's about connecting with your own inner seer....the part of you that just "knows", better than anyone else, what that is.

[nemo.primeradiant]

In agreement with everything glance said here trinsic, I especially like the part about me, very nice - . I might add a few things though if that's ok glance. 
I consider myself a seer, not a dreamer, although I can dream, and still do, it really is of no concern to me one way or the other. It is important to see that dreaming is for dreamers, as stalking is for stalkers, and often stalkers it seems get caught up in the energetic currents of the easily graspable thing called "dreaming". I considered myself a dreamer, for the longest time during the seventies and eighties and into the nineties, because of my ability to dream as a child up until puberty. No need for inorganics, i just went into dreaming and did whatever i set my intent to,this i see to have been astral by the definitions, that I use.
Now I have achieved the much touted gates of dreaming and so on but, because I have in my memory what dreaming was for me as a child, none of that amounted to anything of sustainable value energetically speaking, to me at least. Then I took a closer look at what DJ said about dreaming, inorganic's and everything and put my seeing to work. 
This part is not meant to offend or discredit dreamers, but it is an impartial view of why someone has difficulty dreaming and that is trinsic's title. This would be my seeing of the situation, there are energy producing entities in dreaming, and even the best of us are novices when we go to the realm that "dreaming" occurs in. Much like the first attention in this realm can be interfered with, our second attention is also out of it's league in that realm. So how are we being played? Every so often we are enabled to bring our attention of this world and align it with what our energy body is up to, but just enough to think we are making progress.
Is this only being done to stalkers?  Dreamers may be another thing altogether. So difficulty in dreaming, may be a reflection, of a variety of things. I suggest that the incremental movement of the assemblage point, may be the energetic makeup of the journey of many people expecting results from dreaming, and find themselves dealing with this world instead.
As far as groups being a benefit, I only know of a few in todays world and they are not revealing very much, and are acting a lot like stalkers
Support is a great thing, groups though create expectations, that do hinder individual expression, and fluidity, but that is not something that cannot be overcome if all are sincere, and one should ask, how would they be on their own, so it is not a crutch for the needy.
In summary there are a few paths to the totality of the self, and as glance says, the best guide is connecting to your inner seer, after all we are just emanations at large.

[Guest]

trinsic1 wrote:I had a Lucid dream this after-noon when taking a nap. I guess talking about it on this forums helped. I was looking out the window of a hostel. It was a unrecognizable place, but the architecture looks like it was based in California which is where I live. I thought to my self that I must have woken up on my double and been transported a great distance and I was discouraged that I might have to walk back to my home town. I walked toward a standing mirror to see if I could see myself in the dream, the image looked blurred or distorted. I second look cleared my appearance up and I looked exactly like I did when I went to bed with the same cloths.

I wend down stairs and walked out-side to get my bearings, in the distance I saw a church standing on a hill. I looked pretty modern and I was excited to explore this new place, but I realized that for some reason I need to find out where I was at first so I started walking back to return to hostel. I was then that I realized that I didnt know where it was as I had walked to far from the place. I thought back to when I was looking out the window of the hostel to get a vantage point to pin point my location and I remembered seeing an object outside the window. When I arrived at the location I saw two flying objects that had propellers like VTOLS like hover crafts that were small enough to either be single occupants or drones. One of them swooped down in a back flip fashion and landed on the street just as I entered the hostel. I went inside and talked with the tenant to see if she could help me find out which room I was in since I forgot. I think realized that I have been asking for things all my life and not giving as a first act. I then offered to help in anyway I could. Nothing happened at the point and then I woke up.



I forgot to look at my hands, but next time ill make more of an effort. Thanks for the reminder to keep trying.

Great job on dreaming. So fast you got results after setting your intent, impressive!

[trinsic1]

Really appreciate the reply. Im gonna do what Glace left said and spend some time contacting my inner seer and write down my dreams in the morning. My intention is to wake up and a reasonable hour Monday morning and start that. Then spend some time contemplating softening up the soil for something to take root. (great metaphor by the way).



Nemo are you saying that I might be getting caught up to much in dreaming and not worry about it so much? which is ok too. I just thought maybe it would help me in my day to day stuff so I can harness more energy to do what i need to do to get things done. How does one know if their a stalker,dreamer or seer?

[nemo.primeradiant]

I will say it another way:


 


Warriors of the first attention, = mind based reason,
everyday awareness


 


Warriors of the second attention = beings aware of the
luminous potential through dreaming.


 


Warriors of the third attention = integrate the luminous
potential, into this world, through stalking.


 


Warriors of the first attention die and live a normal reasonable
life, and cherish their security.


 


Warriors of the second attention fulfill their potential in
some recess in dreaming.


 


Warriors of the third attention light up all the emanations possible
and transform this dream.


 


Seers observe the eagles flux and see by its actions what it
wants, and then turn it into a workable path for others


 


Okay when you read those potentialities, some of those will
appeal or be understood more by you than others. Use that as an energetic guide,
to see what resonates with you to answer your question yourself. That would be
the “seer” your seer aligning with what suits you best. As you gain in energy you may read these again and what resonates with you may change, and that brings us full circle to truth is multifaceted. 


 


Remember this is just a game we are playing. You can't
really get it wrong.

[glance left]

Glad to be of service, Trinsic....lots of great/seasoned perspectives here.



In terms of personal self-assessment as per above, I take it with a grain of salt....but then again, a grain of salt is packed with flavor, yeah? It's important, but nothing to obsess over. They key, for me, in general is simply about deepening awareness...on all fronts. Maybe, in light of what Nemo put forth, I'm more of a stalker. i.e. I don't remember jack squat about having any kind of special skill at dreaming when I was young. All I remember is some occasional vivid nightmares. i.e. I'm not "a natural". When I heard about lucid/conscious dreaming...I was excited about the possibility, but didn't recognize the state in terms of history of personal experience. I took me over a year to have my first lucid dream! With that in mind, its no mystery as to why I emphasize dreaming in order to bring clearer and deeper awareness there. Not only is it a blast...but its also an area that hasn't seen much of my conscious awareness...so, in terms of personal "growth", I naturally want to bring more awareness there. But never at the expense of neglecting my awareness here in the daily world as well. There's always room to cultivate deepening awareness here amidst the nitty gritty I tend to take for granted on a daily basis. So its important to focus on that as well. All in all, for me its about cultivating a continuum of awareness. Beyond that, I don't care much about where I stand in comparison to others....1st attention, 2nd attention, 3rd attention warrior and such..but perhaps recognize the value of having guidelines such as these. They help in giving a range of perspective...to see that its not all about dreaming...or anything else in particular. It's about taking this gift of awareness, as a whole...and making the most of it







Thanks everyone!

[glance left]

"lots" not "lost"

[rosygyro]

MY kidneys hurt! must have got a NON-impeccable jolt from someone! OR got stuck in a battle for power in polarity.. still.. i think its working itself around now""" its the other NINE energy centres im worried about! TEN. ready or not!

[glance left]

I think "SPACE" deserves more space...in your mantra


Interesting....those conduit lines connecting the kidneys.....and the testicles  *iiiinnnnNNNNNNHHHHAAAAAaaaaalllllle*.....hold....*eeeexxxxXXXXXHHHHHAAAAaaaaale*

[rosygyro]

Yeah its more at the back! like my lower curverature of the spine is being pressured by a gigantic stone ball or something
like this only instead of from the right side of a female.. from the back.. about the same diameter though!
Thats the left one anyway!

[rosygyro]

dunno if picture posted i tried to post it in the post above.. and have now tried to post it here! here goes.. BAM!

[glance left]

That's a big black ball, yo!



yeah, kidneys are more in the back part of abdominal vault, kind of tucked under a blanket of tissue called peritoneum. What I meant was, interesting the connection between kidneys and testicles via those tubes indirectly as per diagram. I mean, the connection's there so....we should use it! Any male knows can use testicles to deliver a powerfl jolt...so I bet can deliver a nice bolus/jolt retrograde right up into the kidneys to get things moving.

[trinsic1]

Well so far i have been spending 10mins a day going inward and its working. Im jotting down ideas about what I can do next and I also got a few calls for work this week so far. so thank you very much for the suggestions. After reflecting on these posts I had a few questions.
Glance Lefet Said:
to have insights come...to find ways to save and gather energy....little practices one can do that can be very very powerful.
Are you referring to day to day activities? can you give me an example of little things that work best for you?
And Nemo you said there are very few groups who practice group dreaming and they dont reveal much. Do you have an ideas why that might be? I mean why keep that information secret? could it cause them harm?
When you mention
luminous potential im not sure quite what that is? is it our energy capabilities?
Thank you for the help in understanding this. I have read all of the books some concepts are harder than others to take in.

[glance left]

LIttle things Conscious breathing to create a sense of release...of space around me within which expanded awareness can live and breathe. Noticing little things around me...shadows....movement...sounds..which are normally taken for granted and ignored...being conscious of these little things. Becoming conscious of my body as a whole...in any given moment (can use breath to help enliven this sense of body consciousness). Getting a "feel" for things that surround us in any given moment....seeing if we can perceive things on the level of feeling (not emotionally, although an emotional element can be a part of this feeling)....a level of very soft, subtle vibration. It is said that we, as beings of awareness, are composed of fibers of light....and those fibers reach out around us and connect to everything....and we can learn to perceive the world around us via these fibers of light. All we have to do us cultivate a little silence...and then the intention to be able to feel/perceive this connection which is already there.



Stuff like that

[rosygyro]

glance left wrote:That's a big black ball, yo!



yeah, kidneys are more in the back part of abdominal vault, kind of tucked under a blanket of tissue called peritoneum. What I meant was, interesting the connection between kidneys and testicles via those tubes indirectly as per diagram. I mean, the connection's there so....we should use it! Any male knows can use testicles to deliver a powerfl jolt...so I bet can deliver a nice bolus/jolt retrograde right up into the kidneys to get things moving.
yeah.. again theres a complication.. when i wasa child i had un undescended left testicle and had to have it surgicly pulled into my scrotum whilst under an anaesthetic age 14.. whcih was quite painful.. CONsequently regardless of bilatteral current day testicular jolting i have to plot back 22 years within MEST to not *** myself up in the sorcerers world..as there was no bollock there before.. not to mention the sudden appearance of a circumcision at the same time.. OUCH!

[rosygyro]

maybe its the recapitulation of the bollock operation... and possibly that the surgeon is now dead.. or that the forceps and stuff were used on another patient after autoclaving.. big dark patch energetic atatchment within the theta wave subconsious that no man can truly find.. and wahay its a boy!