Reducing the Day-Dreaming Factor

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Some meditations teachers say that meditation, if anything, is stopping dreaming awake and actually being in the "flowing present-continuous"




We remember several things from the past, project a lot of things to the future and all that while we do our daily chores. This very things are part of our
daily mechanized acting, so, one of the thing we need to do in order to have solid ground for dreaming is remaining in silent heightened awareness while
acting... what naguals call not-doings.




If we are not at that place yet we need to stalk ourselves and break our routines, as instructed by the nagual teachings.

[Bob May]

"..one of the thing we need to do in order to have solid ground for dreaming is remaining in silent heightened awareness while acting... what naguals call
not-doings."




I call it "walking meditation." To stop the internal dialog throughout the day is a good use of time. It changes your perception of the world over
time.


And it is something you can do any time.

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The power of silence helps in many ways.

[Vrill]

For me it's a huge daily struggle to overcome this tendency to daydream.




One thing that helped me was when I was doing Fourth Way work retreats, one of my teachers exclaimed "I have no attention!", suddenly I had a
profound realization that it's a paradox. I can't have "Attention", until I realize I am full of my own **** so to speak and that I have
none.




The process of Self Remembering, or "not doing", starts from a space of pure humility or "organic shame" in the realization or confession
of one's actual state, "I have no attention" or something similary. A friend described it as realizing one was "meat on a stick".




If we can't come to what I am speaking about we may waste the entire day absorbed in our daydreams.


We might even daydream that we are awake.




In other words we have to become quite empty first to really Work. And for many this is a huge barrier. It was for me.


But luckily one of my teacher's pointed it out it to me at the right time.





This helped me distinguish between Subjective and Objective consciousness. I hope this makes sense.




Another way to look at it is that whenever we have desire to "wake up" we just take it as a given that we have drifted off into unconsciousness. No
harm, no foul.


Then whatever "consciousness" we can bring is all good. Rather than struggle with it, which is really futile we try to wake up to what's really
going on.


Even if it's just a tiny bit, we have to make lots of tiny efforts, rather than one big effort.

[Bob May]

"Then whatever "consciousness" we can bring is all good. Rather than struggle with it, which is really futile we try to wake up to what's
really going on.


Even if it's just a tiny bit, we have to make lots of tiny efforts, rather than one big effort. "




I think to GENTLY bring your mind back to your goal (inner silence) is the key. Over and Over again. To familiarize yourself with the "territory".


To struggle or use force is to bring on the opposite effect. Even to watch yourself wander away over and over again is interesting and enlightening to some
extent.


Get small, get precise. Even the most subtle movements of mind become apparent. Bring it all to a single point. That point is above your head and if you reach
it, look up it's source is even higher.




The water wears down the stone. Our desire to be still makes it come about. It cannot be stopped, only diverted for a time.

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