Suicide Games

[Nagual Menagerie]

The Blue Whale suicide game is basically a game where naive and impressionable people are manipulated into committing suicide.  Being involved in these games myself, I've had a close-up look into the process (having held many roles within that process).  It's a simple and systematic method of brainwashing people into believing they are 1) rare/special 2)needed 3)put into positions of power 4) encouraged to give a little more each time until they take their own life.  (Read more here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews ... uk-russia/ )

It's a cruel game played on people who have no clue they're being systemically killed to "clean the Earth of people with no value".  (Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_(game) )
 
Only cults encourage suicide.  I know quite a bit about cults and brainwashing.  Don't trust everyone on the internet . . . pay attention to how people make you feel.  If people inspire and encourage personal growth, GREAT.  If people do the opposite by punishing creative thought, know that you're hanging near predators and engage at your own risk.

[Julio Juliopolis]

Encouraging suicide isn't something that only cults do, nor only people on the internet. In a recent case a teenage Massachusetts girl was convicted of manslaughter for encouraging a teen boy to kill himself. Oddly enough early on in this incident she claimed that she felt like encouraging him to do it just so that he would fail and get some help for himself, yet later on she was pushing him to go through it when he had doubts and helping make sure he would succeed. The plan was to buy a generator and let it run inside his car and let the CO2 do the job. She admitted to having told him to "get fucking back in there!" when he had left the car for fresh air. She listened to him die over the phone, saying that for the last 20 minutes or so he only moaned a bit when she mentioned his name. At no time did she encourage him to leave the car, nor did she call for help. She did however send him a text asking if he'd deleted her earlier texts, (he'd apparently deleted some, but there were many more incriminating ones left that he hadn't gotten rid of yet). About 4 hours after his death she sent a text asking if he was okay and telling him she was worried about him.

One of the articles about it can be found here. http://ktla.com/2017/06/07/massachusett ... er-urging/

The moral? Look more closely at who you associate with. Whether it be online or in "real" life, cult or no. More than just focusing on how people make you feel, (psychopaths are great manipulators), focus on how they actually treat others. Do they genuinely care about them, or is it just lip service? How do they react when people do things they don't like, even when it's with good reason? How honest are they to others? They're probably no more honest towards you.

Thinking about it, perhaps a better moral than just being careful who you associate with is being careful with how much power you give others to influence you.

[Nagual Menagerie]

There's a balance. Psychopaths won't let others influence them. Most others are not cold enough to remain unaffected with regular engagement. Even becoming friends and regular chatting opens the door to peer pressure. It's why I don't chat with people I don't want to be similar with.

I only chat with psychos. No risk there.

Honesty is interesting. Honesty is given to people we respect. The best manipulators are never honest. How people determine who is trustworthy is important too. Also, anything can be the truth when the perspective is changed.

Sometimes lying is the only way to reveal that people can be awful. It's important to demonstrate and model what a shitbag looks like. It opens the door to other possibilities. Then they ask, "Who else might be like that?"

It's a dangerous game. People should know they're playing.

Look up cult. Only cults encourage suicide. Most cult leaders are, in fact, men. Women do perpetuate suicide too, but men are more common and demonstrate a gender bias. Cult leaders never play the fool, it's quite hilarious. For what I do, these are the individuals I intentionally attract.

[Julio Juliopolis]

Nagual Menagerie wrote:There's a balance. Psychopaths won't let others influence them.That's debatable. What might be most wise would be to come up with a scale of the sorts of things a person might influence one to do. Then, use that scale to see where the people you interact with most seem to fit. Also, consider what they might do to slide one way or the other on the scale. Finally, review to see how they got into that position on the scale in the first place. This is probably the best takeaway from this thread for you readers. I imagine a psychopath, (I have to imagine, not being one myself), would be unlikely to be influenced by things like love and emotional attachments, but could still be influenced by the possibility of gaining power or wealth from someone.  Honesty is interesting. Honesty is given to people we respect.That may be how you use honesty but I'm not sure who the "we" is in that. Some people are very honest, some are very dishonest. I think many warrior's could find it a worthy challenge to try to be honest in all situations. It teaches a degree of tact hard to learn otherwise, as well as teaching the warrior many things about themselves, what they know and don't know, and how they judge things. The best manipulators are never honest. Is total dishonesty even possible? I don't think always being dishonest would make someone a good manipulator, let alone "the best". How people determine who is trustworthy is important too. Sure is. Few people use "most probable truth" as the determining factor in what to believe. Instead, they trust those that others say to trust, and those who re-enforce their worldview. Also, anything can be the truth when the perspective is changed. If anything is true, than some things are absolutely not true.   Sometimes lying is the only way to reveal that people can be awful. It's important to demonstrate and model what a shitbag looks like. It opens the door to other possibilities. Then they ask, "Who else might be like that?" Well, we've all seen you lying and doing your demonstration of in your words a "shitbag". To me, it doesn't look like you're accomplishing anything by this. Maybe you ought to revise your strategy? Who is the "they" you're talking about?  

It's a dangerous game. People should know they're playing.

Look up cult. Only cults encourage suicide.I see you learned a lot from my posting an example of a non-cult encouraging suicide. Most cult leaders are, in fact, men.Why bring that into it other than to try to make men as a whole look worse than women as a whole? Besides, most statements that include "in fact" as an aside are, in fact, poorly if at all researched by the one speaking. Have you actually looked at the numbers? Where do they come from and how did they take account of things that might skew them? How does the number of cult leaders being men compare to the number of leaders in general being men? Did you actually look at any of these things before posting that or are you just assuming and adding "in fact" to your statement to look more credible? Women do perpetuate suicide too, but men are more common and demonstrate a gender bias.I haven't researched it, but the few examples I've read about have not shown any gender bias in suicide by man-led cults. For the examples I've encountered when Jim Jones is in charge everyone drinks the kool-aid. I did see an article a few months back about cult leaders that mentioned that women who are cult leaders tend to be gender biased in whom they have commit suicide, and their targets are other women. The article said that strict dietary restrictions to the point of causing those women to starve themselves to death was the "most common" method by which women cult leaders kill other women. Cult leaders never play the fool, it's quite hilarious.Don't they? Certainly there are plenty of cult leaders, as well as people in positions of power in general, who cannot "play the fool", or let themselves look bad. But I'd think the most effective ones are able to laugh at themselves.

[Nagual Menagerie]

You ask many quality questions. I don't have the answers you're still seeking, but I wish you the best of luck in discovering them.

It's neat your blue font changed to a darker hue after a few

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